14 hours ago, tebee said:

I actually think that Brexit and the whole jingoistic, mendacious campaign of support for it has done more damage to  nation, statehood and the British national identity, not the mention the UK's reputation overseas, in three short years,than being an EU member for the last 45.

 

It's let genies out of the bag that are going to be hard to stuff back in again. A good third of the UK population now identify more as being European, than being British, 2 of the nation states of the union would prefer to be part of the EU than part of the UK, people are embarrassed about being British, our society is rent into two opposing tribes. We are no longer a nation unified by the thought of being British. 

 

Britain has been left spiritually diminished by this fiasco and will probably end up physically diminished  too.    

The UK has been diminished as a result of being a member of the EEC/EU. Time to stop the rot.

Just now, nauseus said:

The UK has been diminished as a result of being a member of the EEC/EU. Time to stop the rot.

More abject rhetoric. Just how has it been deminished? The occasional fact from you would be nice.

Just now, DannyCarlton said:

More abject rhetoric. Just how has it been deminished? The occasional fact from you would be nice.

In one word that you won't want to hear..sovereignty. 

20 minutes ago, nauseus said:

When you can't accept that your question has been answered, you just ask another one, by jingo!

You didn't answer anything, you just spouted factless rhetoric - as usual.

13 minutes ago, nauseus said:

In one word that you won't want to hear..sovereignty. 

Britain's sovereingnty hasn't been deminished. Can you say how? Or do we accept it as a fact because you say so?

10 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

We always knew it and now photographic evidence emerges....

 

"For the few, not the many"

 

Have you a crush on the bloke....Well I mean, it seems you have been searching his photos.....????

10 minutes ago, transam said:

Gawd.....You are the epitome of the saying..."The blind never see"...

I don't believe there is such a saying. Can you quote it or is it another made up fact, just like all the others?

 

Maybe you meant:

 

"The only thing worse than being blind is having sight but no vision" - Helen Keller.

 

Ring a bell? 555

 

 

2 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

I don't believe there is such a saying. Can you quote it or is it another made up fact, just like all the others?

I just quoted it.....You don't like it, or understand it...?

 

What other made up facts have I made, you know, your, all the others...Take your time.....I can wait.....Try not to tell lies this time eh ..????

 

 

6 hours ago, nauseus said:

The UK has been diminished as a result of being a member of the EEC/EU. Time to stop the rot.

 

now now, what do we hear here?

squeeks from another empire builder and wave hunter so that they can be ruled . . .

 

5 hours ago, DannyCarlton said:

Britain's sovereingnty hasn't been deminished. Can you say how? Or do we accept it as a fact because you say so?

The most obvious sovereignty issue is that EEC/EU Law has to be accepted as supreme by the UK and any parliament that has to do that is not fully sovereign, under any definition of that word, except yours maybe? 

3 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

 

now now, what do we hear here?

squeeks from another empire builder and wave hunter so that they can be ruled . . .

 

It's not a case of power expansion, it's a case of restoration. 

5 hours ago, DannyCarlton said:

Britain's sovereingnty hasn't been deminished. Can you say how? Or do we accept it as a fact because you say so?

When your own fisherman are not allowed to fish as they like in your own national waters then the countries sovereignty has been diminished

44 minutes ago, Orton Rd said:

When your own fisherman are not allowed to fish as they like in your own national waters then the countries sovereignty has been diminished

When our fishermen were allowed to fish as they liked, their (and others') greed almost emptied the seas of fish. 

1 hour ago, Orton Rd said:

When your own fisherman are not allowed to fish as they like in your own national waters then the countries sovereignty has been diminished

Read Boris' deal. There will still be quotas.

On 11/6/2019 at 5:15 PM, tebee said:

 

Margaret Thatcher was a legend who set the UK free from a Labour party who had brought the country to its knees. Healy begging the IMF for money, winter of discontent and the lazy unions ruining the country.

Tory governments get elected to sort out the mess that Labour governments leave behind. Its a historical fact.

This bunch of provo loving <deleted> want to spend 150 billion of taxpayers money on every tree hugging, political correct bit of nonsense imaginable.

There is poverty, if you define it by doing the double, living with your girlfriend meanwhile renting out your own housing executive home for cash, tvs in every room and only 2 holidays a year.

You shouldn't believe the Daily Mail i hear you cry, I don't, i believe a friend who visits the poor down trodden.

The referendum was a simplistic yes or no question, that was so vague it was always going to lead to confusion if Yes won.

I voted remain, as did many of my friends. However, my idea of democracy is not to ignore the 'great unwashed' but to implement the will of the people.

I hope the Tories get a landslide victory and start the next stage of the labourish process of exiting the EU.

 

 

3 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

When our fishermen were allowed to fish as they liked, their (and others') greed almost emptied the seas of fish. 

Not true and not the point at all. 

16 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Not true and not the point at all. 

John Prescott: Greed sank the UK's fishing industry, not the EU

 

The point is that there needed to be an international attempt at stewardship of our waters because previous efforts at regulation were not working. 

2 hours ago, WillyPlatt said:

Margaret Thatcher was a legend who set the UK free from a Labour party who had brought the country to its knees. Healy begging the IMF for money, winter of discontent and the lazy unions ruining the country.

Tory governments get elected to sort out the mess that Labour governments leave behind. Its a historical fact.

This bunch of provo loving <deleted> want to spend 150 billion of taxpayers money on every tree hugging, political correct bit of nonsense imaginable.

There is poverty, if you define it by doing the double, living with your girlfriend meanwhile renting out your own housing executive home for cash, tvs in every room and only 2 holidays a year.

You shouldn't believe the Daily Mail i hear you cry, I don't, i believe a friend who visits the poor down trodden.

The referendum was a simplistic yes or no question, that was so vague it was always going to lead to confusion if Yes won.

I voted remain, as did many of my friends. However, my idea of democracy is not to ignore the 'great unwashed' but to implement the will of the people.

I hope the Tories get a landslide victory and start the next stage of the labourish process of exiting the EU.

 

 

But you also have to consider that without her breakin the power of the unions there wouldn't be zero hours contracts now. 

Without her selling off council houses without building replacements there wouldn't be the shortage of affordable rented homes now. 

8 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

John Prescott: Greed sank the UK's fishing industry, not the EU

 

The point is that there needed to be an international attempt at stewardship of our waters because previous efforts at regulation were not working. 

Coming from Hull, Lord Two Jags should know better than to say this. I've met hundreds of ex trawler Skippers and crewmen who lost their jobs after the UK joined the EEC - these were the lucky ones who managed to switch to other maritime work. The EEC/EU (CFP) has accounted for a huge decline of the UK fishing industry: jobs, stocks and the marine environment. The Dutch just zap the buggers and the Spanish don't care what they do to get their catches. There is a ridiculous level of waste and unnecessary discarding of edible dead fish.

21 minutes ago, tebee said:

But you also have to consider that without her breakin the power of the unions there wouldn't be zero hours contracts now. 

Without her selling off council houses without building replacements there wouldn't be the shortage of affordable rented homes now. 

So what would there be then?

You also have to remember that a lot of the new labour contracts are a result of employers not wanting to get sucked into the restrictive terms that full time employees enjoy.

Nothing to do with Thatcher but employers wanting not to get involved with long term issues with staff they cannot get rid of. More a product of well meaning liberal labour laws.

Regarding selling off council houses, the Tories tapped into a desire for people to own their own homes and improve themselves socially and financially by getting on the housing market.

People do not either appreciate or realise the profound effect that Thatcherism had on the UK and abroad.

Blair and Brown were children of Thatcher, so too speak, and continued her free market policies.

I would advise people to watch the recent BBC series about her, to really appreciate she was the greatest peace time Prime Minister the UK has ever seen.

1 hour ago, RuamRudy said:

John Prescott: Greed sank the UK's fishing industry, not the EU

 

The point is that there needed to be an international attempt at stewardship of our waters because previous efforts at regulation were not working. 

America finished Britain's Fishing fleet, Iceland put pressure on the America to stop British fishing, Iceland said they would remove a listening post that was active in the cold war.

3 hours ago, Slip said:

Seek help.

Problem is he speaks for many millions who would no doubt share his views. Meanwhile back on the campaign trail Liar-in-Chief Johnson pretends to like children (just not his own). Loving the look from the female squaddie in the centre of the pic. 

 

 

 

2 hours ago, nauseus said:

Coming from Hull, Lord Two Jags should know better than to say this. I've met hundreds of ex trawler Skippers and crewmen who lost their jobs after the UK joined the EEC - these were the lucky ones who managed to switch to other maritime work. The EEC/EU (CFP) has accounted for a huge decline of the UK fishing industry: jobs, stocks and the marine environment. The Dutch just zap the buggers and the Spanish don't care what they do to get their catches. There is a ridiculous level of waste and unnecessary discarding of edible dead fish.

Good Cod , hundreds you say - that number sounds a bit fishy to me. Are you sure you aren't haddocking us on ?

2 hours ago, WillyPlatt said:

You also have to remember that a lot of the new labour contracts are a result of employers not wanting to get sucked into the restrictive terms that full time employees enjoy.

Nothing to do with Thatcher but employers wanting not to get involved with long term issues with staff they cannot get rid of. More a product of well meaning liberal labour laws.

Regarding selling off council houses, the Tories tapped into a desire for people to own their own homes and improve themselves socially and financially by getting on the housing market.

People do not either appreciate or realise the profound effect that Thatcherism had on the UK and abroad.

Blair and Brown were children of Thatcher, so too speak, and continued her free market policies.

I would advise people to watch the recent BBC series about her, to really appreciate she was the greatest peace time Prime Minister the UK has ever seen.

errr Clem Atlee - by an NHS fing mile.....as my dear departed dad (ex services WW2) always liked to say. Thatcher by the sell off of council houses created the hosing crisis that is such a crucial issue today. 

 

24 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Good Cod , hundreds you say - that number sounds a bit fishy to me. Are you sure you aren't haddocking us on ?

Nothing fishy, beautiful. The total number of ex fishermen is easily in the hundreds. Mainly from Hull, Grimsby, Aberdeen and Fleetwood but a few from Scotland.  

11 minutes ago, WillyPlatt said:

Says the man living in thailand.

Ex civil service by any chance?

Indexed linked pension and a silver spoon rammed up your <deleted>.

'He' doesn't speak for anyone. Touching your concern for ex council house tenants as you sit on your thai condo balcony.

Of course, some brothers were always more equal than others.

Hypocritical <deleted>.

 

Like my hero Rees-Mogg my Thai condo balcony allows me to look down on the plebs...nothing touching about it though sometimes I feel like doing a Maxwell. 

Anyway you don't need to listen to me listen to football legend Peter Reid.

 

The former Manchester City and Sunderland manager recalls: “He’d had a go at my city, certain individuals and football fans, so I told him in no uncertain terms what I thought of him.” And that was? “I told him he was a fat, lying <deleted> and a disgrace for what he wrote about my city. Cowardly, he shot himself. He didn’t write it, he sanctioned the piece by [Simon] Heffer, but that was the only part I got wrong. The man is a proven liar and he has refused to apologise in the House of Commons when various MPs have asked him to.”

 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/nov/09/peter-reid-boris-johnson-everton-howard-kendall-interview

1 hour ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Problem is he speaks for many millions who would no doubt share his views. Meanwhile back on the campaign trail Liar-in-Chief Johnson pretends to like children (just not his own). Loving the look from the female squaddie in the centre of the pic. 

 

 

 

 

 

who is the chap to the right in your pic, brat johnson?

 

You ok?

I am beginning to worry about your sanity.

Peter Reid might be a legend in his own lunchtime but he certainly isn't a legend to me.

Before your last can of seven eleven chang hits the deck, let me try and explain how it works.

No one, least me, is suggesting that Johnson et all are whiter than white. They are not. However, they expouse free market economics and a lower tax economy that i agree with.

As someone with a reasonable amount of assets, i would prefer not be taxed unduly on them. I would also prefer a strong pound, not least for the long periods i spend in Thailand.

Unfortunately, Corbin and McDonnell would pose a serious threat to these 2 objectives.

You see, perversely, eventually the less well off in society pay the price for a socialist labour government who get their hands on the keys to the Treasury.

For the record, i have no interest in football and certainly don't fit the stereotype you portray.

Now retired, my commercial life was as an FMCG agent.

For the avoidance of doubt, care to tell me what you did for a living?