38 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

Again big on hyperbole and short on facts. The GOP WAS allowed to question and of course were allowed to “leak” to their hearts content (Google is your friend).  This was however the fact finding part of the investigation so it was mostly just hearing already prepared statements. From here on in though it will all be public so watch the fireworks. It’s going to be one helluva show. 

Especially when Hunter Biden and the whistleblower testify, along with Schiff and Joe Biden.  If not here, definitely in the Senate should it get that far.

6 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

I don't have the time to wade through that hateful and confused rant. But if a "whistleblower" is proven not to be a concerned citizen but instead is shown to be an activist with a grudge, it does not bode well for his credibility. 

 

except that most of what he has alleged has already been backed repeatedly by others.

7 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Has anybody spotted an illiberal argument that deals with the substance of testimony or the facts o evidence?

 

Yes.

1 hour ago, Kelsall said:

Especially when Hunter Biden and the whistleblower testify, along with Schiff and Joe Biden.  If not here, definitely in the Senate should it get that far.

You haven’t yet accepted Hunter Biden is not going to be called as a witness. 

 

For the sake of your own well being I urge you to accept this uncomfortable reality.

10 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You haven’t yet accepted Hunter Biden is not going to be called as a witness. 

 

For the sake of your own well being I urge you to accept this uncomfortable reality.

I dont even understand why (other than distraction) would they call Hunter Biden as a witness to an inquiry about trump calling the Ukraine president and trying to extort an investigation on his political opponent. 

Other than what he has read in the news,what would Hunter Biden know about trump's call?

1 minute ago, sirineou said:

I dont even understand why (other than distraction) would they call Hunter Biden as a witness to an inquiry about trump calling the Ukraine president and trying to extort an investigation on his political opponent. 

What would Hunter Biden know about trump's call?

Obviously, it would be to address the legitimacy of Trump's concern for the Biden's Ukraine grift.

Just now, Crazy Alex said:

Obviously, it would be to address the legitimacy of Trump's concern for the Biden's Ukraine grift.

‘Trump’ and ‘legitimacy’ do not belong in the same sentence.

 

The house majority leader gets to decide who is called as a witness, please try to live with that fact.

 

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

‘Trump’ and ‘legitimacy’ do not belong in the same sentence.

 

The house majority leader gets to decide who is called as a witness, please try to live with that fact.

 

Yes, I live with reality quite easily. Just because Adam Schiff can reject any witnesses he wants doesn't mean any interested party shouldn't ask for the witnesses they feel are appropriate. I'm sure no rational person would think otherwise.

14 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Yes, I live with reality quite easily. Just because Adam Schiff can reject any witnesses he wants doesn't mean any interested party shouldn't ask for the witnesses they feel are appropriate. I'm sure no rational person would think otherwise.

Right. in the legal system anyone can ask for any witness they like on whatever grounds they claim. Your understanding of rules of evidence and proper procedure are indeed very special.

6 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Right. in the legal system anyone can ask for any witness they like on whatever grounds they claim. Your understanding of rules of evidence and proper procedure are indeed very special.

Well, yes. Anyone can ask for any witness they want. And I've already pointed out the relevance of calling Hunter Biden specifically. The fact that it got two leftists to dishonestly spin and go personal make it abundantly clear I'm doing quite well with my arguments.

 

Now, feel free to tell me how I am wrong. One can ask for any witness they want. True or false?

3 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Well, yes. Anyone can ask for any witness they want. And I've already pointed out the relevance of calling Hunter Biden specifically. The fact that it got two leftists to dishonestly spin and go personal make it abundantly clear I'm doing quite well with my arguments.

 

Now, feel free to tell me how I am wrong. One can ask for any witness they want. True or false?

Well, god help us when you get to set the rules of evidence. But until then, the entire legal history of the united states argues otherwise.

3 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Well, yes. Anyone can ask for any witness they want. And I've already pointed out the relevance of calling Hunter Biden specifically. The fact that it got two leftists to dishonestly spin and go personal make it abundantly clear I'm doing quite well with my arguments.

 

Now, feel free to tell me how I am wrong. One can ask for any witness they want. True or false?

One can, but one may not.

 

It’s a distinction that seems to be lost on you.

Public hearings start on Wednesday.

 

Hunter Biden is not being called.

1 hour ago, Crazy Alex said:

Well, yes. Anyone can ask for any witness they want. And I've already pointed out the relevance of calling Hunter Biden specifically. The fact that it got two leftists to dishonestly spin and go personal make it abundantly clear I'm doing quite well with my arguments.

 

Now, feel free to tell me how I am wrong. One can ask for any witness they want. True or false?

No you havent. I have posted many times asking.

 

what evidence can biden give regarding trump asking the ukraine to  investigate his father. Do you think trump told him ir do you think he was privvy to he phone calls to ukraine govt.

59 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Public hearings start on Wednesday.

 

Hunter Biden is not being called.

Nor should he. What possible evidence could he have regarding what trump did.

On 11/10/2019 at 10:18 AM, spidermike007 said:

Sure they do. They want any distraction possible to deflect from the bad news, that Don Donald has committed multiple felonies, has betrayed his nation, has committed treason (which would be punishable by death in many nations), and has put getting re-elected before the national security of the nation, and the good of the people. 

You people really are lunatics. 

3 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

Obviously, it would be to address the legitimacy of Trump's concern for the Biden's Ukraine grift.

This inquiry is about if the quid pro quo occurred or not, what Hunter Biden did or did not do is relevant to these proceedings, If Hunter Biden and his dad did something illegal. we have the appropriate agencies to investigate them, In Fact  the republicans held both the house and the Senate  for two years ,and have appointed both the heads of the FBI and the DoJ, what stop them from investigating? 

I don't get it, why are you defending this waste of skin?

 

3 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

. One can ask for any witness they want. True or false?

NO!!!

only relevant witnesses can be called. Hunter Biden is not relevant. All the republicans want to do by calling these witnesses is turn the proceedings in to a circus and district from the real issues. It will not work,

Fox news keeps talking about Schiff, Joe Biden, Hunter Biden being called to "testify" 

It is a bizarre misdirection.

Impeachment is about POTUS withholding the $361M in aide to Ukraine for "favors" 

Biden is not a POTUS advisor (since Obama 2016), Hunter, never a POTUS advisor.

Schiff ? not on trial here. 

Hopefully POTUS will not be asked to testify. 

If he does testify, expect 90 minute attentions-hogging tirades after each question is asked (and never actually answer the question)  

Its likely Trump will throw Giuliani under the bus, get a new lawyer, and take the 5th if asked to appear before the House committee on impeachment also.  So the truth from the "horses" mouth may never come out

6 hours ago, sirineou said:

NO!!!

only relevant witnesses can be called. Hunter Biden is not relevant. All the republicans want to do by calling these witnesses is turn the proceedings in to a circus and district from the real issues. It will not work,

And only Schiff is allowed to decide who a relevant witness is?  And you buy that garbage?  LOL

 

Just remember, if this goes to the Senate Schiff's ability to dictate the terms of impeachment vanish.  You have no idea how much I'm looking forward to that.  But I have my doubts that it will ever reach the Senate.

15 minutes ago, Skallywag said:

Fox news keeps talking about Schiff, Joe Biden, Hunter Biden being called to "testify" 

It is a bizarre misdirection.

Impeachment is about POTUS withholding the $361M in aide to Ukraine for "favors" 

Biden is not a POTUS advisor (since Obama 2016), Hunter, never a POTUS advisor.

Schiff ? not on trial here. 

Hopefully POTUS will not be asked to testify. 

If he does testify, expect 90 minute attentions-hogging tirades after each question is asked (and never actually answer the question)  

Its likely Trump will throw Giuliani under the bus, get a new lawyer, and take the 5th if asked to appear before the House committee on impeachment also.  So the truth from the "horses" mouth may never come out

They'll all be called if and when it gets to the Senate.  First up will be Schiff himself.  Enjoy the show!

1 minute ago, Tippaporn said:

And only Schiff is allowed to decide who a relevant witness is?  And you buy that garbage?  LOL

 

Just remember, if this goes to the Senate Schiff's ability to dictate the terms of impeachment vanish.  You have no idea how much I'm looking forward to that.  But I have my doubts that it will ever reach the Senate.

Enjoy the Congressional hearings first, after all as you say, you ‘have your doubts this will ever reach the Senate’.

 

I too doubt it will, though I suspect for different reasons.

2 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

They'll all be called if and when it gets to the Senate.  First up will be Schiff himself.  Enjoy the show!

Less than five minutes ago you were telling us you doubt this will ever reach the Senate.

 

Are you practicing stochastic predictions?

 

Say a whole bunch of conflicting stuff in the hope that one of your wildly launched guesses hits the mark?!

2 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

They'll all be called if and when it gets to the Senate.  First up will be Schiff himself.  Enjoy the show!

Sure, Loony Lindsey Graham and Rand Paul are spouting these ideas. 

Leader Mitch, not said a word.  Its all up to Mitch, could be 24 hours, 24 days once it reaches the Senate.

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Enjoy the Congressional hearings first, after all as you say, you ‘have your doubts this will ever reach the Senate’.

 

I too doubt it will, though I suspect for different reasons.

I will enjoy the Congressional hearings as well.  And it's the reason I have my doubts that it will reach the Senate.  The Democrats are trying to turn something that's false into something that's true.  They'll have a great opportunity to self destruct in the process.  If not, then assuredly in the Senate.

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Less than five minutes ago you were telling us you doubt this will ever reach the Senate.

 

Are you practicing stochastic predictions?

 

Say a whole bunch of conflicting stuff in the hope that one of your wildly launched guesses hits the mark?!

Chomper, you're just talking trash here.

1 hour ago, Skallywag said:

Fox news keeps talking about Schiff, Joe Biden, Hunter Biden being called to "testify" 

It is a bizarre misdirection.

Impeachment is about POTUS withholding the $361M in aide to Ukraine for "favors" 

Biden is not a POTUS advisor (since Obama 2016), Hunter, never a POTUS advisor.

Schiff ? not on trial here. 

Hopefully POTUS will not be asked to testify. 

If he does testify, expect 90 minute attentions-hogging tirades after each question is asked (and never actually answer the question)  

Its likely Trump will throw Giuliani under the bus, get a new lawyer, and take the 5th if asked to appear before the House committee on impeachment also.  So the truth from the "horses" mouth may never come out

Both Fox and Trump are absolute masters of deflection. Change the topic, or find a villain. Anything to avoid discussing something that resembles "truth". Remember, Trumps own legal representative said truth was not truth. This is not about truth, integrity, honesty and doing the right thing for Don Donald or the GOP. It is about survival. The ship is going down!

1 minute ago, spidermike007 said:

Both Fox and Trump are absolute masters of deflection. Change the topic, or find a villain. Anything to avoid discussing something that resembles "truth". Remember, Trumps own legal representative said truth was not truth. This is not about truth, integrity, honesty and doing the right thing for Don Donald or the GOP. It is about survival. The ship is going down!

No the ship is not going down. Trump will get re-elected and you guys will still be babbling like morons about the next big thing that is going to take him down. 

56 minutes ago, chokrai said:

No the ship is not going down. Trump will get re-elected and you guys will still be babbling like morons about the next big thing that is going to take him down. 

The next big thing will be that Trump will not win the next election and the congress will see the Dem taking back control. The ship is already sinking and rats are bailing when they realized that Trump is toxic to their chance of staying in office. 

Trump will go nuts at the public hearings.

 

Mulvaney and giuliano better watch out for that bus. Trump will be looking for scapegoats.