Ready for change? Labour unveils 'radical' manifesto

[Chomper Higgot]

How about Corbyn’s voting record on the UK’s participation in illegal wars?

 

Spotlessly right in every vote.

[vogie]

22 minutes ago, thequietman said:

Let's try this one then. ????

Instead of just sticking memes with added words and pictures without any narrative, would you please explain the point you are trying to make?

[thequietman]

4 minutes ago, vogie said:

Instead of just sticking memes with added words and pictures without any narrative, would you please explain the point you are trying to make?

That Boris and his ilk also have talked and continue to talk to terrorists.

 

Remember, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. 

 

Judge Corbyn on his policies and his party, not the man.

[4737 Carlin]

On 11/22/2019 at 7:41 AM, RuamRudy said:

I have never voted Labour in my life, and thankfully I have a far better alternative to the Nasty Party than either Labour or the Lib Dems, but it is interesting that all the criticisms of Corbyn are at a personal level rather than a critique of his policies. Could it be that our more vocal TV opponents of Corbyn are happy to let the right wing media in the UK do their thinking for them?

The media in the UK is "right wing" ? Ok.

[vogie]

2 minutes ago, thequietman said:

That Boris and his ilk also have talked and continue to talk to terrorists.

 

Remember, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. 

 

Judge Corbyn on his policies and his party, not the man.

But as I have tried to explain, Boris was in NI arranging a trade deal, not "talking to terrorists" Corbyn goes out of his way to be friends with these "freedom fighters" better known as terrorists.

 

I think most people have judged Corbyn on his 'everything is free' policies, someone will have to pay for Corbyns wreckless and incompetent spending and it will be probably the young, his free tuition fees and free broadband wacky ideas are purely and simply to hoodwink the young. I don't know about you, but I will possibly be long gone when our young are into middle age and still paying for the mistakes of a Marxist Socialist government, god help us all. Nothing is free, someone will be paying for all his freebies.

[Chomper Higgot]

23 minutes ago, vogie said:

But as I have tried to explain, Boris was in NI arranging a trade deal, not "talking to terrorists" Corbyn goes out of his way to be friends with these "freedom fighters" better known as terrorists.

 

I think most people have judged Corbyn on his 'everything is free' policies, someone will have to pay for Corbyns wreckless and incompetent spending and it will be probably the young, his free tuition fees and free broadband wacky ideas are purely and simply to hoodwink the young. I don't know about you, but I will possibly be long gone when our young are into middle age and still paying for the mistakes of a Marxist Socialist government, god help us all. Nothing is free, someone will be paying for all his freebies.

The war with the IRA is over.

 

The nation is still paying for the banker’s recklessness, the people who wiped out billions of other people’s money and got away better than scot-free, they got the cost of their recklessness paid for by ordinary working people and the poor.

 

Along comes a man with policies to rebalance the economy in favour of the many rather than the few and you suddenly start moaning about the bill.

[Chomper Higgot]

37 minutes ago, 4737 Carlin said:

The media in the UK is "right wing" ? Ok.

Almost all newspapers are, yes.

[thequietman]

29 minutes ago, vogie said:

But as I have tried to explain, Boris was in NI arranging a trade deal, not "talking to terrorists" Corbyn goes out of his way to be friends with these "freedom fighters" better known as terrorists.

He has spoken and continuous to deal with the Crown Prince, so that argument is mute.

[vogie]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The war with the IRA is over.

 

The nation is still paying for the banker’s recklessness, the people who wiped out billions of other people’s money and got away better than scot-free, they got the cost of their recklessness paid for by ordinary working people and the poor.

 

Along comes a man with policies to rebalance the economy in favour of the many rather than the few and you suddenly start moaning about the bill.

Along comes a man with policies to rebalance the economy in favour of the many rather than the few and you suddenly start moaning about the bill.

 

It would appear the "many" judging by the polls don't trust Corbyns idea of a Labour Party, the sooner he's out of harms way the better.

[thequietman]

34 minutes ago, vogie said:

But as I have tried to explain, Boris was in NI arranging a trade deal, not "talking to terrorists"

Boris Johnson tells ITV News he supports a banned terror group. 

 

https://www.itv.com/news/london/2015-11-24/boris-johnson-tells-itv-news-he-supports-a-banned-terror-group/

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, vogie said:

Along comes a man with policies to rebalance the economy in favour of the many rather than the few and you suddenly start moaning about the bill.

 

It would appear the "many" judging by the polls don't trust Corbyns idea of a Labour Party, the sooner he's out of harms way the better.

We’ll see soon enough.

 

(Disclosure: For some months now I’ve been volunteering ten hours a week of my time helping young people and other likely Labour voters register to vote. I don’t want a Tory government and I’m doing my bit to prevent it - I hope for the best).

[vogie]

2 minutes ago, thequietman said:

Boris Johnson tells ITV News he supports a banned terror group. 

 

https://www.itv.com/news/london/2015-11-24/boris-johnson-tells-itv-news-he-supports-a-banned-terror-group/

Does supporting a group that is fighting ISIS make Boris a bad man, I agree with the saying "the enemy of my enemy is my friend. 

[vogie]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

We’ll see soon enough.

 

(Disclosure: For some months now I’ve been volunteering ten hours a week of my time helping young people and other likely Labour voters register to vote. I don’t want a Tory government and I’m doing my bit to prevent it - I hope for the best).

You might be more productive on the doorsteps than repetively giving me 'confused emojis' on here, Labour needs all the help they can muster.????????????

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, vogie said:

You might be more productive on the doorsteps than repetively giving me 'confused emojis' on here, Labour needs all the help they can muster.????????????

I’m doing my bit to muster Labour votes.

 

What are you doing?

[vogie]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

I’m doing my bit to muster Labour votes.

 

What are you doing?

Just like you, my personal life will remain personal.

[nauseus]

On 11/22/2019 at 8:18 AM, transam said:

I noted Lord Alan Sugar used the word "Communist" when talking about Corbyn, which is a word that went through my head in the past, regarding the Labour leader..

Lord Sugar also promised to leave the UK if Corby becomes PM..????

 

[thequietman]

12 minutes ago, vogie said:

Does supporting a group that is fighting ISIS make Boris a bad man, I agree with the saying "the enemy of my enemy is my friend. 

Exactly, so use the above quote and apply it to Jeremy and we can end this conversation. ????

[thequietman]

54 minutes ago, vogie said:

Corbyns wreckless and incompetent spending

Johnson once, unforgivably, described £60m spent on inquiring into historic child abuse as money “spaffed up the wall”. So how on earth can he defend successive Tory governments blowing about £8.3bn of public money, and much of Whitehall’s collective brainpower, on Operation Yellowhammer – the no-deal emergency planning operation that lent credibility to what now look like empty threats to leave come what may?

[thequietman]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

I don't know about you, but I will possibly be long gone when our young are into middle age and still paying for the mistakes of a Marxist Socialist government, god help us all.

Despite insisting for the past ten years that ordinary people need to tighten their belts to save the economy and that there supposedly isn’t a ‘magic money tree’ for *frivolous* things like livable wages for nurses and firefighters, it has been revealed that the Conservative government have handed over more than half a billion pounds of taxpayer’s money to bail out privatised probation firms.

 

So, no wasting from this Conservative government then? You are slagging JC off for something that he hasn't even done yet!  Remarkable.

[vogie]

4 minutes ago, thequietman said:

Despite insisting for the past ten years that ordinary people need to tighten their belts to save the economy and that there supposedly isn’t a ‘magic money tree’ for *frivolous* things like livable wages for nurses and firefighters, it has been revealed that the Conservative government have handed over more than half a billion pounds of taxpayer’s money to bail out privatised probation firms.

 

So, no wasting from this Conservative government then? You are slagging JC off for something that he hasn't even done yet!  Remarkable.

You don't think a firefighters wage of £30,000 is not livable. Remarkable.

Is telling the truth about Corbyn slagging him off in your eyes. Remarkable.

 

Getting back on topic, I am glad you said something that Corbyn hasn't done yet, if the polls are to be believed he will hopefully never get the chance to bankrupt our country.

[thequietman]

2 minutes ago, vogie said:

You don't think a firefighters wage of £30,000 is not livable.

A politicians salary is twice that! You think Boris and his party earn that money?

 

Firefighters save lives and put theirs in danger, as do nurses up and down the UK. Teachers are the purveyors and builders of young minds. They too don't deserve a proper wage?

[thequietman]

8 minutes ago, vogie said:

You don't think a firefighters wage of £30,000 is not livable. Remarkable.

Is telling the truth about Corbyn slagging him off in your eyes. Remarkable.

 

Getting back on topic, I am glad you said something that Corbyn hasn't done yet, if the polls are to be believed he will hopefully never get the chance to bankrupt our country.

The Bedroom Tax

 

Denying disability benefit to 165,000 people

 

Scrapping housing benefit for 18-21 year olds

 

Massive hikes to tuition fees

 

Junior doctors' contracts which has resulted in a record number of them leaving the NHS

 

School cuts

 

Scrapping the Human Rights Act (this will be back on the table after Brexit)

 

Have scrapped the targets for reducing child poverty in terms of household income - and chillingly erased the term ‘Child Poverty’ from the Child Poverty Act, renaming it the Life Chances Act.

 

Cutting inheritance tax for the rich

 

  Yeh, you must be sooooo proud of the Conservative government. One can only assume that you are retired and you have 'your money' so sod the rest. That's what is wrong with the UK and its inhabitants. ????

 

 

 

 

[vogie]

12 minutes ago, thequietman said:

A politicians salary is twice that! You think Boris and his party earn that money?

 

Firefighters save lives and put theirs in danger, as do nurses up and down the UK. Teachers are the purveyors and builders of young minds. They too don't deserve a proper wage?

You are very good at whataboutery, I asked you whether you thought that £30,000 was a livable wage. Your views sort of reflect the views of communism where everybody is paid equal.

Anyway I'm off for my daily walk, I do it once a year.????

[thequietman]

2 minutes ago, vogie said:

I asked you whether you thought that £30,000 was a livable wage

It depends entirely on where you live, your outgoings and if you have a family or not. Less than 600 pound a week, minus tax and NI doesn't amount to much and that's for an 'ordinary job' with no risks to your life. IMHO. ????

[transam]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I’m doing my bit to muster Labour votes.

 

What are you doing?

He/we do not have to do anything....????.......................????

[vogie]

2 hours ago, thequietman said:

It depends entirely on where you live, your outgoings and if you have a family or not. Less than 600 pound a week, minus tax and NI doesn't amount to much and that's for an 'ordinary job' with no risks to your life. IMHO. ????

£30,000 a year is above average rate of pay and if the fireman lives in London for example he can expect to earn about £8,000 a year more than his counterparts in the quieter areas of the country. Not sure how many fires a firefighter attend a year but most of their time is spent on road accidents and such. The public sector are always crying foul on how much they earn, their pay is pretty much in line with the private sector workers. 

 

Just think if we are lucky we could have Jeremy Corbyn as our leader, Diane Abbott in charge of the UKs security and John McDonnall in charge of the purse strings..........What could possibly go wrong.????

[Orton Rd]

Longest suicide note in history part 2, only the brainwashed, the feeble minded and communist minded will vote for this massive spending plan. It's downright theft of businesses and other people money. None of it is properly costed and the way government works the cost that are mentioned would end up being several times as much, it's a plan for national bankruptcy by the capitalist haters, the trouble is their socialism does not work, and never has.

[Chomper Higgot]

3 hours ago, vogie said:

You don't think a firefighters wage of £30,000 is not livable. Remarkable.

Is telling the truth about Corbyn slagging him off in your eyes. Remarkable.

 

Getting back on topic, I am glad you said something that Corbyn hasn't done yet, if the polls are to be believed he will hopefully never get the chance to bankrupt our country.

65% of UK adults have an income below £30,000 per year.

 

50% have an income below £23600 per year.

 

If you pick a salary of £30,000 a year (66% up the income distribution) you are way off representing how most people live.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

12 minutes ago, Orton Rd said:

Longest suicide note in history part 2, only the brainwashed, the feeble minded and communist minded will vote for this massive spending plan. It's downright theft of businesses and other people money. None of it is properly costed and the way government works the cost that are mentioned would end up being several times as much, it's a plan for national bankruptcy by the capitalist haters, the trouble is their socialism does not work, and never has.

Are Labour offering free cash to the Banksters and £Billions more for illegal wars?

 

I missed that.

[Orton Rd]

Don't worry about war with pacifist gutless Corbyn he would raise the white flag

39 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

65% of UK adults have an income below £30,000 per year.

 

50% have an income below £23600 per year.

 

If you pick a salary of £30,000 a year (66% up the income distribution) you are way off representing how most people live.

 

 

Amusing that the manifesto for bankruptcy wants to hit those on 80k a year with punitive income tax hikes, while they earn 79.468k a year, not spreading their wealth, just other peoples which is socialism for you.