Safety on point: Demerit point penalties for traffic violations to start

[malibukid]

????how many points for drunk driving?

Edited December 7, 2019 by malibukid

[DannyCarlton]

3 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

Anyone else think that this will just mean more backhanders ?

No just a price rise.

[DannyCarlton]

5 minutes ago, malibukid said:

????how many points for drunk driving?

None if you use pay point. ATM, 10k baht, sorted. Drive home, no points.

[P100]

Good business opportunity for the Thai police. Settle the fine on the spot and at a ten times higher rate or they put you into the database. Cool. I should open a traffic police business in Thailand

[ubon farang]

3 hours ago, johnny49r said:

Not much to worry about - have you ever seen police enforcing anything? 

 

Yep ur right I  am just laughing my butt off here they enforce nothing not even when there is  a traffic offence right in front of their eyes Oh that"s right they dont see the motorcycle riders riding around with no helmets 

[dallen52]

This would mean that the police would have to stop the offenders. 

 

And they would have to have a license to apply demerit points to. 

40% of people stopped by police recently did not have a licence. 

 

In 2018 11 million infringements were issued and 85% are still unpaid..

Edited December 7, 2019 by dallen52

[ChipButty]

58 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

None if you use pay point. ATM, 10k baht, sorted. Drive home, no points.

You must be joking 40,000 Baht in Chalong

[Deli]

I just hope that everybody will give a damn **** about it and rides on as before.

This will hopefully skip this BS western traffic law

[MeePeeMai]

I guess this means that we'll have to go to the DLT Office (and pay) to get a traffic abstract now every time we renew our motor vehicle insurance.  I bet the Insurance companies are also going to raise rates for those with a deduction of points on their driving records. 

 

Sounds like a decent revenue generator for the DLT and the insurance companies to me. 

[dallen52]

I still advocate the use of sheriffs and bailiffs to crack down on the amount of unpaid fines. 

Scan the number plates and impound the vehicle or clamp it until all fines are paid. 

Instead of complaining about the unpaid money (hospital bills too) link it to the passport and flag it on departure. 

The passport number is on the driver's license and the same is recorded by the hospital's. 

 

But that only takes care of the pesky farangs...

 

Would be interesting to see the % of each nationality. 

[tandor]

...so after the loss of 12 points you lose your licence for 90 days..hmm dont they mean your License will be Suspended for 90 Days..in fact you need to lose an extra point ie 13 to then not be able to drive and hand in your License...so you get your License returned to you after 90 Days; but how long is it before you get your full 12 points back?...or do you have to earn them back by waiting 12 months from the date of each offence where demerit points were applied?

[tandor]

...ok, so they introduce a Demerit Point System for all the Licensed drivers/riders....which means more danger as all the Unlicensed users make a determined run for it...or will Traffic Police make a real effort and trace/rundown/kick off and lock-up this BIG percentage of users...i wonder what their powers will be..not only Unlicensed but Un-registered and Un-insured vehicles as well...the streets and compounds will be full.

[jossthaifarang]

5 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

Anyone else think that this will just mean more backhanders ?

I'm positive mate, they will just take backhanders from people without licences, and take backhanders in return for not deducting the points from people with licences.

 

Unless you are caught speeding on camera the points wont be deducted, and if you ever reach the stage that all your points have been deducted because of the camera, you just go back to the backhanders for no license.

 

It's a good initiative but it will never work here. 

[Morty T]

Another meaningless measure considering most Thai drivers don't have a license and only face a warning or 50 baht fine when caught. My sister in law, has been driving for years, no license, and has been caught several times. 

[justin case]

put camera's on every red light, take away a few points and make them pay or impound the car, eventually they might learn

 

who am I kidding ????

 

[JIMHILL]

Honestly, for the individuals that think a "points based penalty system" is good move in Thailand or much other places, are naive and delusional and probably of bossy-boots nature

[mickey rat]

How many points deducted for blocking the passing lane, excessive smoke and/or noise? ????

[DefaultName]

4 hours ago, P100 said:

While I am happy to see they do something else than just collect fines I am also worried. Police is same corrupt as before. What if the traffic violation is just stated by police when never happened? How many times did I pay police who stopped me for no reason!?! It's not enough to collect data like that. If the rule of law isn't guaranteed it is a step in the wrong direction!

This is why you fit a camera.  There's no proof like a video shown on the spot.

[DannyCarlton]

2 hours ago, ChipButty said:

You must be joking 40,000 Baht in Chalong

Pretty pointless paying that. 20k if it goes to court. In Pattaya, roadside minimum 10k max 20k for a farang, know a Thai who got away with 5k.

[dallen52]

36 minutes ago, justin case said:

put camera's on every red light, take away a few points and make them pay or impound the car, eventually they might learn

 

who am I kidding ????

 

But that is too easy. 

These new cameras are capable of recording multiple images and things.

(Subject of a previous post)

The thai police are only capable of thinking about one thing at a time. 

 

Play with phone 

Tea money 

Eating 

Looking for farang to fine.

Avoiding anything that concerns paperwork and effort...

[Humpy]

I notice many cars with 'faded' number plates and in some cases the registration numbers painted over ...... what points will this attract !?

[ttrd]

9 hours ago, unamazedloso said:

the only thing i liked about thailand is i can drive and ride like an idiot and just pay fines, or not by doing runners from checkpoints. dam it!!

Hmm, If someone like to drive like an idiot and like to ride like an idiot - then he most likely is an idiot ... ????

 

Pls misunderstand me correctly, this is just a summary of what's already said ...

[Mick501]

The vast majority of motorists will outwit the points system and avoid loss of license simply by not having a license in the first place.

[BenBen23]

9 hours ago, 4MyEgo said:

It's a way forward, but unless they are prepare to really enforce the law, i.e. jail those who drive/ride unlicensed because we all know how many don't have licenses, or do we ?

 

Cops on the take can sort that, i.e. turn a blind eye.

 

Will this be linked up to the motor registry to cancel registrations/licenses unless the fines are paid, or will they give a 50% discount if paid on time ????

 

I will give them credit for wanting to make it work, but until they get serious about enforcing it, well it's just another plan with no umphf and may fall beside the roadside, as most others have.

 

" jail those who drive/ride unlicensed"??? Man, go back to 1930's Nazi Germany please!

[happysanook]

All you old drunks whining about following the rules, here you go. Most of you forget that with more freedom comes more danger. One of the beautiful things about Thailand is the nevermind attitude...Dying a slow death. 

[jonnodon]

In a country where you can be pulled over and fined for offences such as no license, helmet or insurance then let drive away where is the hope.

[HHTel]

3 hours ago, tandor said:

...so after the loss of 12 points you lose your licence for 90 days..hmm dont they mean your License will be Suspended for 90 Days..in fact you need to lose an extra point ie 13 to then not be able to drive and hand in your License...so you get your License returned to you after 90 Days; but how long is it before you get your full 12 points back?...or do you have to earn them back by waiting 12 months from the date of each offence where demerit points were applied?

As I said, the article is a mess of contradictions.  When you've lost all 12 points, your are banned from driving for 90 days.  However, points lost will not be restored for 12 months!!  

Go figure.

[bristolgeoff]

if u have a thai license then it will matter,other wise a international driving license just pay and move on

[mike787]

17 hours ago, unamazedloso said:

the only thing i liked about thailand is i can drive and ride like an idiot and just pay fines, or not by doing runners from checkpoints. dam it!!

...and hit, maim, kill people at will without consequence...love this place.  Remember red bull boy story!

[4MyEgo]

10 hours ago, BenBen23 said:

" jail those who drive/ride unlicensed"??? Man, go back to 1930's Nazi Germany please!

What part of 24,000 deaths per year don't you understand making an immature comment like that, but then again, it just goes to show some of the comments we get here from new keyboard warriors who add to the already existing here.

 

Unsurprisingly, more than 50% of motorcycle fatalities involved unlicensed riders. Most of them learned to ride motorcycles from families and friends, thanks to weak licensing policy and the public’s underestimation of risks.

 

But don't take my word for it, yes, yes, let's go back to what you were saying, a great solutions, oh by the way, I didn't see anything constructive from you to add to the others who have posted here, perhaps you only know how to be negative, which makes a keyboard warrior stand out even more, do tell, how would YOU address the situation, oh forgot, keyboard warriors can't, because all they do is criticise others from where they are sitting.

 

Source: https://www.bangkokpost.com/opinion/opinion/1628238/motorcycles-key-to-solving-road-deaths

 

 

 

Edited December 8, 2019 by 4MyEgo