Anger erupts at U.N. climate summit as major economies resist bold action

[Tippaporn]

9 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Are you denying them the truth because of your steadfast worship of Trump who can’t even differentiate weather and global warming. When he is gone, will you change your mind? 

I'm denying my children your truth.

 

I've been pointed about the dishonesty employed by the climate alarmists.  ". . . . your steadfast worship of Trump . . . "  You made that up, ergo a lie.  Can't you debate honestly without lying?

[Tippaporn]

9 hours ago, Sir Swagman said:

9 hours ago, Sir Swagman said:

  15 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

This climate alarmism has taken a very worrying turn. When the world's foremost and most vocal climate activist wants to start putting people "against the wall", and says that to cheering crowds, you know the movement needs banning. Immediately.

 There is no place for double standards. If right leaning groups said they wanted to put liberal leaders "against the wall" they would all be arrested, banned from all social media etc etc. Just waiting for clarity when Greta and her handlers will be arrested for hate crimes? 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7789463/Greta-Thunberg-arrives-Turin-Italy-star-turn-huge-climate-change-demonstration.html

Seems if there is a dubious or inexcusable position on any topic, you find it.

Astuteness is an excellent character trait.

[Tippaporn]

8 hours ago, Grusa said:

It matters little whether you believe, or do not believe, in Global Warming. It also matters little whether you believe in God, or Gaia, or any such construct of Man.

 

The fact is the planet has been happily revolving around the sun for a very long time - long before man or any other living creature lived on it. It will continue to revolve happily long after man or any living creature has ceased to live on it. Little blips in temperature, sea level, vulcanism, atmospheric gases, you name it - even though such blips can and have wiped out entire species, created and destroyed continents - the planet really does not care. 

 

So all you are really worried about is a small number of bipedal mammals who have been around for the blink of an eye, and won't last very much longer anyway.

 

I do however agree that anything to make the end less unpleasant for them is a good idea.

 

Am I a nihilist?

You're certainly not a religious fanatic.

[brokenbone]

1 hour ago, stuandjulie said:

tell that to dinosaurs, also you really need to understand what global warming means, it does not mean everyone is getting hotter, eventually some places will get colder, it is also about sea levels, habitable areas, loss of life etc.

yo, einstein, dinosaurs hit an asteroid, the analogy isnt climate change.

the analogy is a fat fusion bomb.

other phenomena that has been speculated as wiping out species

unrelated to atmosphere is gamma radiation

[Tippaporn]

8 hours ago, Denim said:

Any positive action on climate change now is like slamming on the brakes of a car after it has already gone off the road and sailed over a cliff , flying through the air.

 

The most the brakes can do in such a situation do is stop the wheels turning.

 

The problem has been swept under the carpet for way to long

and we will all soon be faced with the consequences.

So, how long do I have, Doc?

[brokenbone]

4 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

So, how long do I have, Doc?

depend on which gauge you read, prognosis ranges from 30 to 6000 years,

activists unable to distinguish correlation from causation would undoubtedly say you got 30 years

https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1138234-activist-thunberg-denounces-creative-pr-in-climate-fight/?do=findComment&comment=14852391

[Denim]

12 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

So, how long do I have, Doc?

Go out and debauche yourself every night from now on until I tell you to stop or your money runs out.

[Scott]

Numerous posts removed.  Please stay on topic and keep it civil.  

 

[thaibeachlovers]

4 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

I'm denying my children your truth.

 

I've been pointed about the dishonesty employed by the climate alarmists.  ". . . . your steadfast worship of Trump . . . "  You made that up, ergo a lie.  Can't you debate honestly without lying?

Notice that they never apologise when called out on a personal untruth? I've called out some, but still waiting.

 

I watched some of the "conference" on Al Jazira, and the woman in charge was looking quite downcast as she realised it wasn't going according to plan. It didn't look much like a conference as much as it looked like some sort of alternative lifestyle event.

Seems like the real economies of the world have woken up and not going to toe the line anymore- well done them.

I notice that apparently China and India didn't chime in, but could that be because none of the constraints apply to them anyway?

[thaibeachlovers]

PS, the vast majority of the participants FLEW in for the "conference". Such hypocrites.

[collingwood]

Nothing more than a UN scam, they want more money to fly around the world in first class and stay at 5 star hotels, How does donated money to these crims  change mother nature...it's called weather, which is a 27,000 celestial year cycle  Only need to look at all thier previous doomsday predictions.

[sunnyboy2018]

20 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

You can believe that if you wish. 

Thats the point. People are not allowed to believe that. If they state their belief they are reviled,  mocked,  criticized, threatened, isolated,  bullied, sometimes lose their job, etc etc

[RickBradford]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

PS, the vast majority of the participants FLEW in for the "conference". Such hypocrites.

Probably the best first step to "solving" the climate "crisis" would be to cancel all future versions of this event.

 

The outcome of this one was described by Mohamed Adow, the director of Power Shift Africa, a climate and energy thinktank, said: “This is a disastrous, profoundly distressing outcome – the worst I have ever seen."

 

They've never achieved anything more than some high-level posturing and it seems unlikely they ever will.

[Bluespunk]

40 minutes ago, sunnyboy2018 said:

Thats the point. People are not allowed to believe that. If they state their belief they are reviled,  mocked,  criticized, threatened, isolated,  bullied, sometimes lose their job, etc etc

Bullied and reviled for denying climate change, rather bold a claim. Please provide links to incidents of where that has happened. 

 

Likewise where people have lost their jobs purly because they believed climate change was not true and not because their advocacy of such conflicted with the carrying out of such job.
 

Nonetheless, the poster I quoted is still free to believe as they wish and has received a lot of support in the form of emoji likes for stating them. Which would appear to negate your statement above... 

[stevenl]

42 minutes ago, sunnyboy2018 said:

Thats the point. People are not allowed to believe that. If they state their belief they are reviled,  mocked,  criticized, threatened, isolated,  bullied, sometimes lose their job, etc etc

Yes, as they should be.

 

But don't you think you're looking at it a bit one-sided, the 'activists' are not being reviled, mocked etc?

[sunnyboy2018]

19 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

How do you explain to them about the pollutants in the air, rising temperature, rising sea level etc. 

 

[sunnyboy2018]

According to the 'Independent' a UK newspaper this climate conference did make some good progress:

"Diplomats managed to agree on some issues in the final sleep-deprived 48 hours, including an updated gender action plan that recognises the impact of climate change on human rights, historic and current gender inequalities and the importance of intersectionality."

Gender inequality and intersectionality!!! Just bonkers!

 

[rabas]

19 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Bullied and reviled for denying climate change, rather bold a claim. Please provide links to incidents of where that has happened. 

 

9 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Yes, as they should be.

You need to speak to Bluespunk, he is looking for this information.

[sunnyboy2018]

45 minutes ago, RickBradford said:

Probably the best first step to "solving" the climate "crisis" would be to cancel all future versions of this event.

 

The outcome of this one was described by Mohamed Adow, the director of Power Shift Africa, a climate and energy thinktank, said: “This is a disastrous, profoundly distressing outcome – the worst I have ever seen."

 

They've never achieved anything more than some high-level posturing and it seems unlikely they ever will.

An example of such posturing quoted from a UK newspaper,  the Independent:

"Diplomats managed to agree on some issues in the final sleep-deprived 48 hours, including an updated gender action plan that recognises the impact of climate change on human rights, historic and current gender inequalities and the importance of intersectionality."

[RickBradford]

17 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Bullied and reviled for denying climate change, rather bold a claim. Please provide links to incidents of where that has happened. 

It depends on whether you would regard deliberately equating climate skeptics to Holocaust deniers, as bullying and reviling. Perhaps you think that is an acceptable, even useful agit-prop tactic.

 

Because that has been the favorite approach of the climate zealots going back many years.

Quote

 

"What is the difference between Lomborg’s view of humanity and Hitler's? ...If you were to accept Lomborg’s way of thinking, then maybe what Hitler did was the right thing." - Rajendra Pachauri, former head of the U.N. IPCC.

 

"I do think it's often a mistake to call them climate skeptics. I think they're deniers, just as I think president Ahmadinejad of iran who claims not to believe that the Holocaust occurred." - Thomas Schelling, University of Maryland 

"Let's just say that global warming deniers are now on a par with Holocaust deniers." - Ellen Goodman, Boston Globe 

"Clouds of a different sort signal an environmental holocaust without precedent. Once again, world leaders waffle, hoping the danger will dissipate. Yet today the evidence is as clear as the sounds of glass shattering in Berlin." - Al Gore 

 

"We have Holocaust deniers; we have climate change deniers. And to be honest, I don’t think there’s a great deal of difference." - Bill McGuire, University College London 

 

"The deniers of climate change are cut from the same cloth as Holocaust deniers. They’ve never been to the death camps, Auschwitz and Birkenau, so what they haven’t seen does not exist." - Charles Larson, American University  

 

"Climate deniers are less immoral than Holocaust deniers, although they are undoubtedly more dangerous." - Clive Hamilton, Charles Sturt University 

 

 

And if words don't work ..... 

Quote

"Surely it's time for climate-change deniers to have their opinions forcibly tattooed on their bodies." - Richard Glover, The Sydney Morning Herald.

 

 

[stevenl]

24 minutes ago, sunnyboy2018 said:

According to the 'Independent' a UK newspaper this climate conference did make some good progress:

"Diplomats managed to agree on some issues in the final sleep-deprived 48 hours, including an updated gender action plan that recognises the impact of climate change on human rights, historic and current gender inequalities and the importance of intersectionality."

Gender inequality and intersectionality!!! Just bonkers!

 

Agree, bonkers.

[RickBradford]

21 minutes ago, sunnyboy2018 said:

"Diplomats managed to agree on some issues in the final sleep-deprived 48 hours, including an updated gender action plan that recognises the impact of climate change on human rights, historic and current gender inequalities and the importance of intersectionality."

That underlines the clear truth that the climate movement has become just another outcrop of Social Justice nonsense, along with gender-neutral bathrooms and bearded men winning women's weight-lifting championships.

[stevenl]

15 minutes ago, RickBradford said:

It depends on whether you would regard deliberately equating climate skeptics to Holocaust deniers, as bullying and reviling. Perhaps you think that is an acceptable, even useful agit-prop tactic.

 

Because that has been the favorite approach of the climate zealots going back many years.

 

And if words don't work ..... 

 

 

Since they're working towards destruction of our planet, nothing wrong with it.

Ich habe es nicht gewusst is not a valid excuse.

[RickBradford]

1 minute ago, stevenl said:

Since they're working towards destruction of our planet, nothing wrong with it.

A very telling comment, as well as an idiotic one.

[Momofarang]

22 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

It's a belief.  Not a fact.  For some it's a belief and therefore a fact.  The two are conflated.

Man, for you the laws of physics are beliefs..

[RideJocky]

14 minutes ago, RickBradford said:

That underlines the clear truth that the climate movement has become just another outcrop of Social Justice nonsense, along with gender-neutral bathrooms and bearded men winning women's weight-lifting championships.

They’re not bearded men. They’re unattractive bearded women with penises.

[stevenl]

21 minutes ago, RickBradford said:

A very telling comment, as well as an idiotic one.

Telling yes, idiotic no.

[RickBradford]

1 minute ago, stevenl said:

Telling yes, idiotic no.

The only people who think that anyone is "working towards destruction of the planet" are you and Greta Thunberg. And maybe a couple of witless nimrods from Extinction Rebellion.

 

Idiotic, it is.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, Bluespunk said:

Bullied and reviled for denying climate change, rather bold a claim. Please provide links to incidents of where that has happened. 

 

Likewise where people have lost their jobs purly because they believed climate change was not true and not because their advocacy of such conflicted with the carrying out of such job.
 

Nonetheless, the poster I quoted is still free to believe as they wish and has received a lot of support in the form of emoji likes for stating them. Which would appear to negate your statement above... 

The botanist, 80 this week, says the end of his TV career was caused by his views on climate change. Paul Cahalan meets David Bellamy

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/david-bellamy-i-was-shunned-they-didnt-want-to-hear-8449307.html

 

Need more?

[TopDeadSenter]

5 minutes ago, RickBradford said:

The only people who think that anyone is "working towards destruction of the planet" are you and Greta Thunberg. And maybe a couple of witless nimrods from Extinction Rebellion.

 

Idiotic, it is.

Our Greta is making waves again today. This time faking that she had to sit on the floor of a crowded train travelling home, although staff point out that she had a 1st class seat(not exactly carbon neutral methinks!)

 She should have made sure the censorship laws she wanted had been passed before trying such a stunt, as now her credibility further crumbles.

https://news.sky.com/story/greta-thunberg-tackled-over-overcrowded-train-tweet-by-deutsche-bahn-11887479