Iran fires rockets at Iraqi air base hours after funeral of slain commander

[DannyCarlton]

Just now, Cryingdick said:

 

The good guys won again and peace prevailed. Why are you so unhappy? Everybody else is glad that this amounted to nothing but Iran venting a little to show a strike on TV. Coll heads prevailed. They warned the Iraqis of the attack and went on twitter saying there would be no further action. 

 

Trump's reaction was measured and reasonable.

No worries. I'm very happy that Trump didn't manage to start WW3. I'll sleep well tonight.

[Basil B]

If it is true that there was only minor damage and no casualties this would be a big win for the US as the intelligence gained from the recovered hardware and tracking of the missiles will help the US to identify the launch sites and who is supplying the Iranians missile technology. 

[Cryingdick]

Just now, Basil B said:

If it is true that there was only minor damage and no casualties this would be a big win for the US as the intelligence gained from the recovered hardware and tracking of the missiles will help the US to identify the launch sites and who is supplying the Iranians missile technology. 

 

Another key point is it didn't do any economic damage. I bet they thought they could make our market crash. It happened for a few hours. Then Trump spoke and up bigly. Must be a bit demoralizing to have such a limited impact on anything outside of Iran.

[bristolboy]

6 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

 

Another key point is it didn't do any economic damage. I bet they thought they could make our market crash. It happened for a few hours. Then Trump spoke and up bigly. Must be a bit demoralizing to have such a limited impact on anything outside of Iran.

Sure, that's what was on their minds. Projecting much?

[jany123]

44 minutes ago, Tagged said:

You are right, Iran have always had a war going on, either internal or external. Middle east is a ring of fire with or without our help. 

 

 

List of Iran/Persia conflicts

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Iran

 

 

As an interesting comparison, that same source you site lists American wars (swap out for Iran, right?)  as numbering 122 entries. 

 

This is interesting, because if you use 1785 as a start point (it is a convenient dynasty change point) and count Iranian wars since then, (as it coincides with the american revolution, right)  they total 18

 

mmmm.... make of that what you will, I suppose.

[pkspeaker]

6 hours ago, Basil B said:

If it is true that there was only minor damage and no casualties this would be a big win for the US as the intelligence gained from the recovered hardware and tracking of the missiles will help the US to identify the launch sites and who is supplying the Iranians missile technology. 

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/477759-iran-missiles-subdued-us-strike/

 

Not really, there are no launch sites as the missiles are mobile and the who is providing them with missile tech is .. IRAN...reason no one died is the missiles are so accurate that they can hit specific buildings inside the base... if this had been a real attack and not just a show of force 100s would have died and the base completly destroyed... 

[Cryingdick]

20 minutes ago, pkspeaker said:

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/477759-iran-missiles-subdued-us-strike/

 

Not really, there are no launch sites as the missiles are mobile and the who is providing them with missile tech is .. IRAN...reason no one died is the missiles are so accurate that they can hit specific buildings inside the base... if this had been a real attack and not just a show of force 100s would have died and the base completly destroyed... 

 

It's lucky they are so frightened they are soiling their pants that they wouldn't dare try it. Iran would cease to exist if they did.

[metisdead]

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[rabas]

1 hour ago, pkspeaker said:

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/477759-iran-missiles-subdued-us-strike/

 

Not really, there are no launch sites as the missiles are mobile and the who is providing them with missile tech is .. IRAN...reason no one died is the missiles are so accurate that they can hit specific buildings inside the base... if this had been a real attack and not just a show of force 100s would have died and the base completly destroyed... 

Really.  Pentagon assessment says the intent was to damage structures and kill. An early warning system and lack of pinpoint accuracy prevented much damage. The pinpoint missiles you are thinking of are guided cruise missiles and drones but these have small warheads. The ballistic missiles used had heavy 1-2000 pound warheads but are less accurate. Iran could of, maybe, put on a bigger show with pinpoint weapons (like Saudi Arabia) but that could take weeks or months to prepare.

 

Iran may have tried a third wave that was deterred. Seeing it wasn't going well they may have stopped it, declared victory, and said please don't shoot back, were weren’t trying to hurt you anyway. Lol, Irani are master blusterers.

 

Edited January 9, 2020 by rabas

[ChipButty]

9 hours ago, surangw said:

target the launch sites 

They are using mobile launchers similar to Scud 

[Sujo]

So donald reverses yet again.

 

if iran crosses the red line by targeting any bases he will hit them hard. Iran crossed the red line. Trump cowers.

 

Some on here seem to think iran will fight on US terms, how wrong they are.

[Thaidream]

1 hour ago, Sujo said:

So donald reverses yet again.

 

if iran crosses the red line by targeting any bases he will hit them hard. Iran crossed the red line. Trump cowers.

 

Some on here seem to think iran will fight on US terms, how wrong they are.

Trump actualy listened to his advisors and came to the conclusion that it was time to descalate.  the Iranians have the ability to do much more than what they did.  

 

In addition- a message was sent by the Iranians that there would be no furthur escalation and Trump responded in kind.  Trump's public statement indicating that the US does not want to use it's military superiority was aimed directly at the Iranians.

 

Both sides are back to the status quo- mutual distrust;  mutual antogonism and ways to irritate each other without going to war.  Tens of thousands of US troops tied down in Iraq, Afghanistan; Quatar; Saudi Arabia. Syria while  Americans go bankrupt and die from lack of healthcare and America's  poor become poorer.  Where is the exit strategy?  Where is the US collaboration with the UK; France; Canada and Australia? 

 

US troops remain in harms way with no end in sight.  Why does the US keep bailing out the wealthy Gulf States; Saudi Arambia and Israel spending a trillion dollars yearly?

 

It should be noted that a Ukranian  passanger plane left Tehran Airport just after the Iranian misle attack and crashed killing all passengers-  Iran refusing to provide the black boxes .  Coincidence or an Iranian missle shot down the plane?

[Nyezhov]

1 hour ago, rabas said:

Seeing it wasn't going well they may have stopped it, declared victory, and said please don't shoot back, were weren’t trying to hurt you anyway. Lol, Irani are master blusterers.

thats exactly what they did.

[Nyezhov]

55 minutes ago, Sujo said:

if iran crosses the red line by targeting any bases he will hit them hard. Iran crossed the red line.

Those arent american bases. They are Iraqi bases we have a presence at. The American bases are in Kuwait and Qatar. Thats why the Iranians chose those bases, so they could show how tough they are and back down and save face.

 

Trump played this one like a Master.

 

 

[Cryingdick]

1 hour ago, Sujo said:

So donald reverses yet again.

 

if iran crosses the red line by targeting any bases he will hit them hard. Iran crossed the red line. Trump cowers.

 

Some on here seem to think iran will fight on US terms, how wrong they are.

 

Yeah Trump must be thinking that. Pinned down in the WH constantly wondering when the  $80 million fatwa is coming. Unable to go anywhere in daylight or run a campaign. Although to give Trump his fair share of criticism I am betting he still golfs and at most times cheats at it.

 

Gazing into the distant sky at his well driven balls over the fair green fairway wondering if that's a ball or drone. Cowering.

Edited January 9, 2020 by Cryingdick

[bristolboy]

11 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

Those arent american bases. They are Iraqi bases we have a presence at. The American bases are in Kuwait and Qatar. Thats why the Iranians chose those bases, so they could show how tough they are and back down and save face.

 

Trump played this one like a Master.

 

 

This has got to be the most ridiculous argument advanced in this thread. So what you're saying is that since there are no American bases in Iraq, then Iran can't launch on attack on American troops in Iraq? So this is the basis of Trumping playing "this one like a master"? Nonsense.

[pkspeaker]

2 hours ago, rabas said:

Really.  Pentagon assessment says the intent was to damage structures and kill. An early warning system and lack of pinpoint accuracy prevented much damage. The pinpoint missiles you are thinking of are guided cruise missiles and drones but these have small warheads. The ballistic missiles used had heavy 1-2000 pound warheads but are less accurate. Iran could of, maybe, put on a bigger show with pinpoint weapons (like Saudi Arabia) but that could take weeks or months to prepare.

 

Iran may have tried a third wave that was deterred. Seeing it wasn't going well they may have stopped it, declared victory, and said please don't shoot back, were weren’t trying to hurt you anyway. Lol, Irani are master blusterers.

 

Wrong... 

https://www.rt.com/news/477773-satellite-iran-attack-damage/

 

Look at the sat photo, they hit specific structure where no usm are

[pkspeaker]

Doesn't look like a huge 1 ton tnt blast either

[pkspeaker]

..meanwhile their iraqi proxis have resumed cheap junk munitions (katusha) barrages on the us bases, the entire point of Trumps esculation from the point of hitting iraqi militia positions was to deter THAT type of attacks, instead back to wherethis cycle started, time to rinse and repeat?

[BestB]

23 hours ago, Dumbastheycome said:

I have  just read that there hs been a declaration from within Iran that if the US commits to a significant attack  Iran will concentrate retaliation on Israel.

All Iran is doing is trying to get some kind of reaction from Israel.  Which they are not getting.

 

they taking nips in hope of bigger attack but it’s not working.

 

The termination of general took them by surprise and they simply do not know what to do.

 

they attacked Iraq bases with no casualties, this may be the end of it, though in my opinion because no response from US will try for something bigger but not directed at US but by proxies. 
 

whoever takes over will most likely be living in bunkers from now on like Nasrallah, tunnel rat.

[pkspeaker]

7 minutes ago, BestB said:

All Iran is doing is trying to get some kind of reaction from Israel.  Which they are not getting.

 

they taking nips in hope of bigger attack but it’s not working.

 

The termination of general took them by surprise and they simply do not know what to do.

 

they attacked Iraq bases with no casualties, this may be the end of it, though in my opinion because no response from US will try for something bigger but not directed at US but by proxies. 
 

whoever takes over will most likely be living in bunkers from now on like Nasrallah, tunnel rat.

WAR itself will be a bunch of precision robots zapping each other, no human casualtiees necessary, they can bomb a US base, not kill anyone but destroy these very expensive machines and support eqipment,the things that are actually doing the killing, what good does killing people do? They work for cheap and can be replaced by robots...

[Dumbastheycome]

14 minutes ago, BestB said:

All Iran is doing is trying to get some kind of reaction from Israel.  Which they are not getting.

 

they taking nips in hope of bigger attack but it’s not working.

 

The termination of general took them by surprise and they simply do not know what to do.

 

they attacked Iraq bases with no casualties, this may be the end of it, though in my opinion because no response from US will try for something bigger but not directed at US but by proxies. 
 

whoever takes over will most likely be living in bunkers from now on like Nasrallah, tunnel rat.

I think Iran was  making a direct warning rather than  attempting  to provoke. The assassination may have been a surprise  but the militant organizations still remain in the  hands of proxies. I doubt anything Iran may be in support of will be bigger, but there is likely  to be an increase .

Nasrallah may be a bunker rat but who knows  what rats  do down tunnels and where they  go?

Iran well knows it could not win a direct open conflict against the US so despite the provocation  by the US into doing so has managed to deflect condemnation while at the same time cause some further significant diplomatic rifts Internationally for the US. It is  no surprise that most ME countries  are  staying  quiet and cautious, including Israel.

[samuttodd]

[billd766]

11 hours ago, bristolboy said:

Sure, that's what was on their minds. Projecting much?

IMHO which isn't worth much, if the Iranians could hit the airfields they may well have programmed the missiles to hit the spots that they did as a reminder to the US that they can hit from a long range. Perhaps if there is a next time there WILL be greater damage and casualties, implying that if the USA targets sites in Iran the Iranians can also hit back.

 

One odd thing strikes me about the attack. I have seen no reports of and missile defence trying to shoot the Iranian missiles down, not anywhere in Iraq nor from the airbases themselves, which I would have thought would have been well defended.

[billd766]

3 hours ago, Thaidream said:

Trump actualy listened to his advisors and came to the conclusion that it was time to descalate.  the Iranians have the ability to do much more than what they did.  

 

In addition- a message was sent by the Iranians that there would be no furthur escalation and Trump responded in kind.  Trump's public statement indicating that the US does not want to use it's military superiority was aimed directly at the Iranians.

 

Both sides are back to the status quo- mutual distrust;  mutual antogonism and ways to irritate each other without going to war.  Tens of thousands of US troops tied down in Iraq, Afghanistan; Quatar; Saudi Arabia. Syria while  Americans go bankrupt and die from lack of healthcare and America's  poor become poorer.  Where is the exit strategy?  Where is the US collaboration with the UK; France; Canada and Australia? 

 

US troops remain in harms way with no end in sight.  Why does the US keep bailing out the wealthy Gulf States; Saudi Arambia and Israel spending a trillion dollars yearly?

 

It should be noted that a Ukranian  passanger plane left Tehran Airport just after the Iranian misle attack and crashed killing all passengers-  Iran refusing to provide the black boxes .  Coincidence or an Iranian missle shot down the plane?

quote "Where is the US collaboration with the UK; France; Canada and Australia?"

 

Trump didn't even bother to notify the UK; France, Canada and Australia.

 

Probably because he has p1ssed them all off in the last 3 years and realises that it is a US problem and specifically a Trump problem. He is the one who caused the problem in the first place.

[Eric Loh]

15 minutes ago, billd766 said:

IMHO which isn't worth much, if the Iranians could hit the airfields they may well have programmed the missiles to hit the spots that they did as a reminder to the US that they can hit from a long range. Perhaps if there is a next time there WILL be greater damage and casualties, implying that if the USA targets sites in Iran the Iranians can also hit back.

 

One odd thing strikes me about the attack. I have seen no reports of and missile defence trying to shoot the Iranian missiles down, not anywhere in Iraq nor from the airbases themselves, which I would have thought would have been well defended.

It’s was reported that the missiles were guided and according to report hit the locations dead center. So they were accurate but casualties were avoided for reasons still unknown. Perhaps the Iranians planned this to tell that they have the resolve to strike but don’t want to escalate or that the US intelligence got win of the strikes and moved the troops to safer shelters. US failed to intercept because the missiles were equipped with cluster warheads. 

[pkspeaker]

20 minutes ago, billd766 said:

IMHO which isn't worth much, if the Iranians could hit the airfields they may well have programmed the missiles to hit the spots that they did as a reminder to the US that they can hit from a long range. Perhaps if there is a next time there WILL be greater damage and casualties, implying that if the USA targets sites in Iran the Iranians can also hit back.

 

One odd thing strikes me about the attack. I have seen no reports of and missile defence trying to shoot the Iranian missiles down, not anywhere in Iraq nor from the airbases themselves, which I would have thought would have been well defended.

Maybe because the Patriot missile launched to intercept the incoming warhead directed at the base, would notbe positioned on the base.. and the rest of iraq is too insecure to situate that kind of hardware somewhere.

[pkspeaker]

11 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

It’s was reported that the missiles were guided and according to report hit the locations dead center. So they were accurate but casualties were avoided for reasons still unknown. Perhaps the Iranians planned this to tell that they have the resolve to strike but don’t want to escalate or that the US intelligence got win of the strikes and moved the troops to safer shelters. US failed to intercept because the missiles were equipped with cluster warheads. 

The US was warned through iraq the attack was coming and the other foreign mil.personel were also warned..sothey moved intohardened bunkers

 

Evenifthey hadn't been warned none of them would have died, the iranians hit areaswhere there would not be people in the middle ofthe night, if milp had notbeen in hardened shelters they would have been in their baraks and beds which were not hit unle theywere workinginthose areas in the middle of thenight

 

Edited January 9, 2020 by pkspeaker

[Enki]

On 1/8/2020 at 10:57 PM, DannyCarlton said:

No, the current situation started with the revolution in i979 when the people overthrew the Shah. He, with the help of his secret police SAVAK, had ruled with a rod of iron, murdering and torturing thousands of dissenters and making himself unbelivably wealthy. He had been installed by the British and Americans in 1954 as a puppet of the West primarily for them to take control of Iran's oil reserves. He eventually dismissed the government and declared himself absolute ruler.

Sorry, that is wrong. The Shah introduced the parliament, and voting rights for everyone, even women. Built schools and established duty to go to school, for everyone, even girls. He took land from the rich aristocracy and distributed it amoung the folks, he changed water rights, dissolved trade guild that hold the country in a strangle ... he got disposed because the CIA financed two rebellions against him, unfortunately "the mullas" won, and not the others. The reason why the CIA/USA wanted to get rid of him: he did not agree to Nixons demand that oil is only sold for US dollars. Your accusations are an american myth, read wikipedia ...

[NanLaew]

On 1/8/2020 at 1:53 PM, Eric Loh said:

On 1/8/2020 at 1:43 PM, DannyCarlton said:

Not. The majority were foreign fighters, now languishing in prison camps in Northern Syria or dead. Thousands of them.

Not right. The Kurds estimated that ISIL has around 200,000 fighters and about 5-6 000 foreigners. You known of any prison that can accommodate 200,000 ISIL?

Thanks for that correction. The foreign ISIL component was a minority and with with no other place to go to call home, they surrendered and are in the prison camps. The larger number of true, locally-born ISIL diaspora have vanished in plain sight. They're all about martyrdom, not rotting away in a prison camp awaiting repatriation. They ran away to fight another day.