6 minutes ago, ivor bigun said:

Yes ,its just that Trump doesnt send terrorists to our shores to bomb and kill us while shouting praises to their Prophet.

No, he just orders the bombing of generals from other countries in a third country...

4 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

So no evidence then. 

What could be evidence to you ?!!! Are you trying to play with words ? ???????? ok, you make me laugh. Even kids know that there is no evidence most of times. No choice but rely on their "snitch". Just pay for the information that is for sell or take a deadly risk and stand still. wake up to the reality. It is an ugly world and no guaranty for nothing.   

I will believe almost anyone over Trump, until I see facts or evidence-power hungry pathological liars can never be trusted.

https://www.google.co.th/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/12/16/president-trump-has-made-false-or-misleading-claims-over-days/%3foutputType=amp

 

somewhere near 16,000 false or misleading claims since he has been president ???? 

19 minutes ago, The Theory said:

What could be evidence to you ?!!! Are you trying to play with words ? ???????? ok, you make me laugh. Even kids know that there is no evidence most of times. No choice but rely on their "snitch". Just pay for the information that is for sell or take a deadly risk and stand still. wake up to the reality. It is an ugly world and no guaranty for nothing.   

Some in the intel briefing also said there was no evidence.

 

Trump suddenly relies on intel he has called the deep state and should not be trusted.

Ample evidence for execution of Soleimani has existed for years.   No new evidence was needed. Soleimani spent over twenty years exporting state sponsored terrorism by direct action and by use of paid surrogates and proxies.  Soleimani was responsible for thousands of incidents of deaths, torture plus  incalculable destruction of homes industries and businesses best exemplified in Lebanon and Syria.  Soleimani was not a typical field general in a declared war. Soleimani was an exporter of death and destruction via proxies and surrogates all funded by Iran the State.  As, on the day of his death Soleimani went about Iran's neighbor countries (with his armed entourage of fighters) meeting and planning armed conflict. What Soleimani was doing on the day of his death does not matter for he had been delivering death and destruction on a daily basis since at least 1998.  Soleimani was an out and out International murderer and master of torture.  He deserved his fate that should have been delivered before 2010 not 2020 

23 minutes ago, Redline said:

I will believe almost anyone over Trump, until I see facts or evidence-power hungry pathological liars can never be trusted.

https://www.google.co.th/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/12/16/president-trump-has-made-false-or-misleading-claims-over-days/%3foutputType=amp

 

somewhere near 16,000 false or misleading claims since he has been president ???? 

You're talking about the Narcissistic Pathologic Liar Obama aren't you? 

1 hour ago, ivor bigun said:

Yes ,its just that Trump doesnt send terrorists to our shores to bomb and kill us while shouting praises to their Prophet.

No, not the Prophet  When the US sends terrorists to our shores to bomb and kill us they shout praises  like "God save us", or "In God we trust" or "God bless us".......same same but different!

1 hour ago, Bluespunk said:

No, he just orders the bombing of generals from other countries in a third country...

Even field Generals in a declared war are targets to be hit and removed - a long standing part of war. Generals are not off-limits.  Soleimani was an instrument of death and destruction directing proxies to take over Lebanon - destroying a large part of that country and killing thousands. He was a Terroristic General operating under no semblance of the rules of land Warfare. Soleimani was an interloping master terrorist. 

12 minutes ago, JDGRUEN said:

Ample evidence for execution of Soleimani has existed for years.   No new evidence was needed. Soleimani spent over twenty years exporting state sponsored terrorism by direct action and by use of paid surrogates and proxies.  Soleimani was responsible for thousands of incidents of deaths, torture plus  incalculable destruction of homes industries and businesses best exemplified in Lebanon and Syria.  Soleimani was not a typical field general in a declared war. Soleimani was an exporter of death and destruction via proxies and surrogates all funded by Iran the State.  Soleimani was an out and out International murderer and master of torture. 

Again. you could transpose the names "Soleimani" and "Iran" with "USA" and "CIA" in every instance however the major difference would be that the USA has been involved in far more instances of aggression, exploitation, tortue and murder and over a very much wider area.

The Israelis will have been tracking his movements for a long time, Im afraid it's time to pull out of all these countries let them fight amongst themselves same in Afghanistan let them kill each other, 

7 minutes ago, JDGRUEN said:

Even field Generals in a declared war are targets to be hit and removed - a long standing part of war. Generals are not off-limits.  Soleimani was an instrument of death and destruction directing proxies to take over Lebanon - destroying a large part of that country and killing thousands. He was a Terroristic General operating under no semblance of the rules of land Warfare. Soleimani was an interloping master terrorist. 

Iran was working in cooperation with the Syrian government. You may not like the Syrian government, but the fact is Iran was cooperating with it. And it was the US and its allies who were supporting Sunni Islamist fundamentalists to overthrow the Assad government. And just because a general is killing thousands, that doesn't make him a terrorist. That's war.

20 minutes ago, JDGRUEN said:

You're talking about the Narcissistic Pathologic Liar Obama aren't you? 

Thanks for the lack of data to support your claim. 

6 minutes ago, JDGRUEN said:

operating under no semblance of the rules of land Warfare.

Oh do you mean like respecting a friendly country's sovereign territory and giving warning before bombing it such as in Cambodia, Laos, Panama, Iraq etc etc etc etc etc etc etc...................

17 minutes ago, ThaiFelix said:

No, not the Prophet  When the US sends terrorists to our shores to bomb and kill us they shout praises  like "God save us", or "In God we trust" or "God bless us".......same same but different!

Evidence? No. What they really shout is Hoo-ah! or "How do ye do!".

 

Hooah /ˈhuːɑː/ is a battle cry used by soldiers in the U.S. Army and airmen in the U.S. Air Force.^[1]. Originally spelled "Hough", the battle cry was first used by members of the 2nd Cavalry Regiment during the Second Seminole War in 1841, after Seminole chief Coacoochee toasted officers of the regiment with a loud "Hough!", apparently a corruption of "How d'ye do!"^[2]

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hooah

 

31 minutes ago, ThaiFelix said:

No, not the Prophet  When the US sends terrorists to our shores to bomb and kill us they shout praises  like "God save us", or "In God we trust" or "God bless us".......same same but different!

Please enlighten me ,i am British ,can you list the attacks in just Britain where a terrorist has killed and bombed innocent people going about their daily business ,shouting in God we trust Or God bless us? 

And please do not come up with the IRA.

Edited January 13, 20206 yr by ivor bigun

46 minutes ago, JDGRUEN said:

Ample evidence for execution of Soleimani has existed for years.   No new evidence was needed. Soleimani spent over twenty years exporting state sponsored terrorism by direct action and by use of paid surrogates and proxies.  Soleimani was responsible for thousands of incidents of deaths, torture plus  incalculable destruction of homes industries and businesses best exemplified in Lebanon and Syria.  Soleimani was not a typical field general in a declared war. Soleimani was an exporter of death and destruction via proxies and surrogates all funded by Iran the State.  As, on the day of his death Soleimani went about Iran's neighbor countries (with his armed entourage of fighters) meeting and planning armed conflict. What Soleimani was doing on the day of his death does not matter for he had been delivering death and destruction on a daily basis since at least 1998.  Soleimani was an out and out International murderer and master of torture.  He deserved his fate that should have been delivered before 2010 not 2020 

That sound like the KKK. When will Trump designate them as home grown terrorist organization. 

47 minutes ago, ChipButty said:

The Israelis will have been tracking his movements for a long time, Im afraid it's time to pull out of all these countries let them fight amongst themselves same in Afghanistan let them kill each other, 

Yes I agree everybody go home and let them sort it out themselves.  However it is not quite so simple.

What some dont remember or refuse to understand is that the trouble in the middle east escalated immensely because of us, the colonial powers coming in and dividing the middle east according to how they wanted it and usually related to resources within the colonial powers could steal or stategic value.  This upset the natural balance.  A good example is Iraq.  Sure Iraq had its problems before but after the British divided it up and pronounced borders in their efforts to protect and procure its oil they did so with little regard for its peoples, its cultures and its religions. 

 

The natural formed borders that kept all these different people in relative peace were smashed and everyone was expected to live and work within these British made borders peacefully and submissive.  In addition the colonial powers also supported a country's minorities to do all their dirty work, add to their armies and run the bureaucracy.  Sooner or later this unnatural balance collapses and especially after independence is granted.  The natural balance can sometimes take centuries to right itself again or as we saw with the slaughter in Rwanda it can happen almost over night with disastrous consequences.  In the meantime it sometimes requires a ruthless hand to lead, such as Saddam Hussein.  A very strong hand was certainly needed to keep the Sunnis, Shiites and Kurds living somewhat peacefully together in the same room.  Iraq was certainly a much more peaceful place before the US decided to "save" it and Afghanistan will one day re balance itself given the chance when the exploitation of its opium and its use as a transit for somebody else's oil pipelines has ended.

 

My point is that the majority of the problems in the middle east is caused by outsiders interfering and that interference is due one way or other to the oil/resources in the region plus the fear in the west that one day possibly the Shiites and Sunnis may find some way to get along together and then the west may get its payback.

Edited January 13, 20206 yr by ThaiFelix

37 minutes ago, rabas said:

Evidence? No. What they really shout is Hoo-ah! or "How do ye do!".

 

Hooah /ˈhuːɑː/ is a battle cry used by soldiers in the U.S. Army and airmen in the U.S. Air Force.^[1]. Originally spelled "Hough", the battle cry was first used by members of the 2nd Cavalry Regiment during the Second Seminole War in 1841, after Seminole chief Coacoochee toasted officers of the regiment with a loud "Hough!", apparently a corruption of "How d'ye do!"^[2]

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hooah

 

What hahaha!  Its on your greenbacks, on nearly all symbols and signs, prayers are said before battles etc etc its as common as your flag in nearly every scene in your Hollywood propaganda movies.  Ok it might not be shouted in the heat of battle as is done by the muslims but as I said previous  same same but different!

1 hour ago, The Theory said:

What could be evidence to you ?!!! Are you trying to play with words ? ???????? ok, you make me laugh. Even kids know that there is no evidence most of times. No choice but rely on their "snitch". Just pay for the information that is for sell or take a deadly risk and stand still. wake up to the reality. It is an ugly world and no guaranty for nothing.   

What could evidence be? 
 

Let’s see, conclusive proof from a credible source. 

1 hour ago, JDGRUEN said:

Even field Generals in a declared war are targets to be hit and removed - a long standing part of war. Generals are not off-limits.  Soleimani was an instrument of death and destruction directing proxies to take over Lebanon - destroying a large part of that country and killing thousands. He was a Terroristic General operating under no semblance of the rules of land Warfare. Soleimani was an interloping master terrorist. 

If you truly believe America is at war with Iran then don’t bitch if Iran hits USA targets. 

12 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

What could evidence be? 
 

Let’s see, conclusive proof from a credible source. 

Indeed they are always boasting about their superior agencies and technology including intelligence but it obviously wasnt working that day lol.

Dundee

 

I see you do a lot of sniggering and laughing at others' posts but have contributed nothing at all to this and other debates re the Middle East?? 

 

Your profile states "No recent activity" ??   No comments at all, anywhere ??  

3 hours ago, ivor bigun said:

Yes ,its just that Trump doesnt send terrorists to our shores to bomb and kill us while shouting praises to their Prophet.

American troops have been involved in what the Iraqis consider terrorism on their shores for more than two decades. 9/11 was carried out by Saudis.

 

Saddam sent no prophet worshiping terrorists to your shores to bomb and kill anyone and neither has any other Iraqi leader done so either. Try and keep it real..

 

They say a million Iraqi people have died since 2003 because of US interference. (Albeit with a bit of help from other members of the coalition).

1 minute ago, yogi100 said:

9/11 was carried out by Saudis

 

Or was it the CIA ??? ????

1 hour ago, JDGRUEN said:

Ample evidence for execution of Soleimani has existed for years.   No new evidence was needed. Soleimani spent over twenty years exporting state sponsored terrorism by direct action and by use of paid surrogates and proxies.  Soleimani was responsible for thousands of incidents of deaths, torture plus  incalculable destruction of homes industries and businesses best exemplified in Lebanon and Syria.  Soleimani was not a typical field general in a declared war. Soleimani was an exporter of death and destruction via proxies and surrogates all funded by Iran the State.  As, on the day of his death Soleimani went about Iran's neighbor countries (with his armed entourage of fighters) meeting and planning armed conflict. What Soleimani was doing on the day of his death does not matter for he had been delivering death and destruction on a daily basis since at least 1998.  Soleimani was an out and out International murderer and master of torture.  He deserved his fate that should have been delivered before 2010 not 2020 

How come we'd never of him till now then?

1 hour ago, ivor bigun said:

Please enlighten me ,i am British ,can you list the attacks in just Britain where a terrorist has killed and bombed innocent people going about their daily business ,shouting in God we trust Or God bless us? 

And please do not come up with the IRA.

The IRA are the only Christian organisation we've been in conflict with in recent years.

Obviously you don't expect Islamic terrorists to chant about trusting God etc do you?

5 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Well bully for you!

 

Leaders of extremist terror groups and their spokes people can be relied on to speak the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

 

Sure thing.

Unlike elected Presidents whole always speak the truth (well George Washington supposedly did).

 

WMD in Iraq ring a bell with you?

 

How about Trump stating that 4 US embassies will be attacked and the Secretary of Defence Mark Esper has no knowledge of that at all. 

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/12/defense-secretary-esper-says-trump-didnt-cite-specific-evidence-on-iran-threat-to-four-us-embassies.html

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/defense-secretary-esper-didnt-see-iran-threat-us-embassies-2020-1

2 hours ago, JDGRUEN said:

You're talking about the Narcissistic Pathologic Liar Obama aren't you? 

Was that a joke on your part or are we supposed to believe your unsubstantiated word. ????????????

1 hour ago, ThaiFelix said:

Dundee

 

I see you do a lot of sniggering and laughing at others' posts but have contributed nothing at all to this and other debates re the Middle East?? 

 

Your profile states "No recent activity" ??   No comments at all, anywhere ??  

Perhaps he is learning. Not a very common activity these days.

 

3 hours ago, JDGRUEN said:

Ample evidence for execution of Soleimani has existed for years.   No new evidence was needed. Soleimani spent over twenty years exporting state sponsored terrorism by direct action and by use of paid surrogates and proxies.  Soleimani was responsible for thousands of incidents of deaths, torture plus  incalculable destruction of homes industries and businesses best exemplified in Lebanon and Syria.  Soleimani was not a typical field general in a declared war. Soleimani was an exporter of death and destruction via proxies and surrogates all funded by Iran the State.  As, on the day of his death Soleimani went about Iran's neighbor countries (with his armed entourage of fighters) meeting and planning armed conflict. What Soleimani was doing on the day of his death does not matter for he had been delivering death and destruction on a daily basis since at least 1998.  Soleimani was an out and out International murderer and master of torture.  He deserved his fate that should have been delivered before 2010 not 2020 

However tendentious and overwrought your characterization of Soleimani may be, I'm sure Isis agrees with you that his assassination was a good thing.. They must be thrilled that the Iraqi government now wants the US out of Iraq. They must be thrilled that US troops in Iraq will now have to contend with the open enmity of Iraqi militias bent on revenge. But it gets even better than that for them.. The US is now threatening to withhold Iraqi money if Iraq goes ahead and does officially ask them to leave. This is going to rile up the Iraqis even more. (This on top of Trump's repeated moronic statement that the US should keep the oil wells in Syria. He even suggested that they be given to Exxon.)

In death, Soleimani is an even more formidable foe than when he was alive.