Immigration's BMW smart cars out all over Thailand - Thai house owners fined

[rkidlad]

51 minutes ago, ianezy0 said:

BMW’s are made locally in Rayong

The point is that they're expensive. 

[ianezy0]

6 minutes ago, VYCM said:

The SMART immigration vehicles are series 5

Apologies my mistake, Series 5 are also manufactured in Thailand. Follow the link which shows all BMW’s manufactured in Thailand.

https://www.bmw.co.th/en/topics/fascination-bmw/all-news/2019/28-02-19-bmw-group-thailand-sets-new-deliveries-record.html

[ianezy0]

11 minutes ago, rkidlad said:

The point is that they're expensive. 

Agree with you there. However, I would think the Thai Government would Receive  a hefty discount for a fleet of cars.

[phutoie2]

1 hour ago, Yinn said:

Why you live in the horrible place? 

Up to you.

Precisely, it is up to us. 

Now haven't you any house chores to do? 

Run along there dear girl. 

[rkidlad]

1 minute ago, ianezy0 said:

Agree with you there. However, I would think the Thai Government would Receive  a hefty discount for a fleet of cars.

As they would with cars from a cheaper manufacturer. 

[ianezy0]

1 minute ago, rkidlad said:

As they would with cars from a cheaper manufacturer. 

Same the world over. BMW’s are the preferred choice of the UK police force for speed and reliability.

 

Roads policingEdit

A BMW 3 Series roads policing vehicle from Sussex Police with blue emergency warning lights activated.

Road policing units, more informally known as traffic cars, are faster police vehicles used by specialist officers, tasked with conducting high speed pursuits and responding to major traffic accidents. Traffic cars are often estate cars or SUVs that can carry additional equipment, such as traffic cones, signs to warn of road closures or collisions and some basic scene preservation equipment. Their daily roles primarily consist of ANPR patrols.

The most common traffic cars include the BMW 3 Series, the BMW 5 Series, the BMW X5s, the Land Rover Discovery and the Volvo V70.

[Cricky]

4 minutes ago, ianezy0 said:

Agree with you there. However, I would think the Thai Government would Receive  a hefty discount for a fleet of cars.

Yes.

Probably a similar discount from Honda / Toyota

for a Accord / Camry

[Yinn]

10 minutes ago, phutoie2 said:

Precisely, it is up to us. 

Now haven't you any house chores to do? 

No, the maid (Burma) do it for me. 

And you?

 

10 minutes ago, phutoie2 said:

Run along there dear girl. 

Fine thankyou 

[rkidlad]

8 minutes ago, ianezy0 said:

Same the world over. BMW’s are the preferred choice of the UK police force for speed and reliability.

 

Roads policingEdit

A BMW 3 Series roads policing vehicle from Sussex Police with blue emergency warning lights activated.

Road policing units, more informally known as traffic cars, are faster police vehicles used by specialist officers, tasked with conducting high speed pursuits and responding to major traffic accidents. Traffic cars are often estate cars or SUVs that can carry additional equipment, such as traffic cones, signs to warn of road closures or collisions and some basic scene preservation equipment. Their daily roles primarily consist of ANPR patrols.

The most common traffic cars include the BMW 3 Series, the BMW 5 Series, the BMW X5s, the Land Rover Discovery and the Volvo V70.

BMWs are considerably cheaper to buy and maintain in Europe and North America. Add to that Western governments have more money to spend on things like this. They also have transparency when purchasing that can be scrutinized and criticized. 

[Just Weird]

20 hours ago, VYCM said:

20 hours ago, Just Weird said:

They are patrol cars also, why would they want a basic Toyota for that purpose?  They are locally made and maybe BMW gave them a better deal than Toyota.

They are patrol cars - so

why would they want a basic Toyota for that purpose - because its practical and common sense

maybe BMW gave them a better deal than Toyota - NOPE

 

I suppose you're also going to assume that BMW will do a better price on servicing.

"NOPE"?  What was the deal, then, as you seem to know.

 

Why would you assume that fleet buyers wouldn't get a better deal on servicing?

[Just Weird]

20 hours ago, rkidlad said:

20 hours ago, Just Weird said:

They're locally made cars, not imported so the "excessive" tax is the same as an equivalent Toyota.

No, they're not. 

No, they're not what?  Not locally made? Not not imported?  Equivalent models of different makes get different tax treatment?

[Thomas J]

On 1/28/2020 at 8:56 AM, webfact said:

Immigration's BMW smart cars

Does it make any difference if the people were picked up in a BMW versus a Toyota, or Mitsubishi? 

[Just Weird]

20 hours ago, rkidlad said:

20 hours ago, Just Weird said:

They are patrol cars also, why would they want a basic Toyota for that purpose?  They are locally made and maybe BMW gave them a better deal than Toyota.

There are no electric Toyotas? 

 

Maybe BMW do, although I don't know why the government would need to go out of it's way to get a special deal with BMW when they could just do it with a much cheaper and locally made alternative. 

What have electric Toyotas got to do with this? The Smart cars are not electric.

 

The BMWs are locally made.

[Just Weird]

17 hours ago, BRUFC said:

"If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear" is the dogma that all fascist regimes are built on.

Garbage.

[Just Weird]

13 hours ago, Yinn said:

20 hours ago, Just Weird said:

They're nowhere near B5m cars!

With scanners, computers, printers, roof camera etc the cost each car is 3,461,538

 

68 million thai people. Cost per car, per thai person = 0.05 baht (about)

 

260 cars total = 13 baht per thai person. (About)

5 year (+) use= 2.6 baht per year

 

900 million baht budget

 

OR

 

38 million foreigner one year. 23 baht per foreigner.

5 year (+) use the car = 4.73 baht per foreigner 

 

 

Full electric, no air pollution from car. (Maybe from electricity production) 

car made in Thailand. By Thai worker. 

 

If tax, government pay tax to government. = 0 baht Tax free. 

What?   Apart from agreeing that the cars do not cost anything like B5m each, what are you going on about?

[Yadon Toploy]

7 minutes ago, Just Weird said:

What have electric Toyotas got to do with this? The Smart cars are not electric.

 

The BMWs are locally made.

No, they are locally assembled.

 

The majority of quality materials and parts are not available locally and must be imported. This means BMW do not qualify for the big tax breaks that other manufacturers get, such as Honda, Toyota, Isuzu etc.

 

Mazda are upping sticks back to Japan now because it is cheaper.

 

Hence the heavy tax on BMW models. 

 

Big difference.

[JustAnotherHun]

11 minutes ago, Thomas J said:

Does it make any difference if the people were picked up in a BMW versus a Toyota, or Mitsubishi? 

It does. TGhe BMW is more comfortable. As you can see, Immigration is doing everything for the convenience of caught overstayers.

[Yadon Toploy]

45 minutes ago, ianezy0 said:

Same the world over. BMW’s are the preferred choice of the UK police force for speed and reliability.

 

Roads policingEdit

A BMW 3 Series roads policing vehicle from Sussex Police with blue emergency warning lights activated.

Road policing units, more informally known as traffic cars, are faster police vehicles used by specialist officers, tasked with conducting high speed pursuits and responding to major traffic accidents. Traffic cars are often estate cars or SUVs that can carry additional equipment, such as traffic cones, signs to warn of road closures or collisions and some basic scene preservation equipment. Their daily roles primarily consist of ANPR patrols.

The most common traffic cars include the BMW 3 Series, the BMW 5 Series, the BMW X5s, the Land Rover Discovery and the Volvo V70.

Those are traffic cars, not immigration cars with cameras to track foreigners.

 

Like comparing apples and oranges. 

[Matzzon]

38 minutes ago, rkidlad said:

BMWs are considerably cheaper to buy and maintain in Europe and North America. Add to that Western governments have more money to spend on things like this. They also have transparency when purchasing that can be scrutinized and criticized. 

The reason why BMW is more expensive here, to buy for the private person, is that Thailand applies a huge tax on imported cars.
That is probably not a factor when an authority in Thailand buys the same cars, and therefore they will not be more expensive in this case.

[Yadon Toploy]

1 minute ago, Matzzon said:

The reason why BMW is more expensive here, to buy for the private person, is that Thailand applies a huge tax on imported cars.
That is probably not a factor when an authority in Thailand buys the same cars, and therefore they will not be more expensive in this case.

Tell the BMTA that. There's 489 NGV buses from China still sitting in impound for evasion of taxes.

[Matzzon]

2 hours ago, Yinn said:

Why you live in the horrible place?

Are you finally starting to admit things? ????

[rkidlad]

17 minutes ago, Just Weird said:

No, they're not what?  Not locally made? Not not imported?  Equivalent models of different makes get different tax treatment?

An equivalent model of a BMW series 5 from Toyota is a Camry. Why immigration would need a more luxurious model of either brands is beyond me. They're not traffic police. 

 

Local prices for both cars:

 

Camry = 1,455,000 for the most basic model (give or take 50-100k either side of the price)

 

BMW 5 series = 2,959,000 for the basic 5 series (same rule above applies). 

 

Both manufacturers will offer a discount for fleet buying. I'm sure both will offer a discount for servicing, too. The massive difference being that one manufacturer and model is considerably more expensive than the other. 

 

So back to my main point: the purchases of these vehicles is a massive waste of tax payers' money. 

[rkidlad]

15 minutes ago, Matzzon said:

The reason why BMW is more expensive here, to buy for the private person, is that Thailand applies a huge tax on imported cars.
That is probably not a factor when an authority in Thailand buys the same cars, and therefore they will not be more expensive in this case.

A BMW 5 series in Germany would be about 45,000 euros for the basic model. The cheapest Camry in Japan (that's the 5 series equivalent that can be bought in Thailand) is about 37,000 US dollars (34,000 Euros)

 

I'm sure they can buy any car they like without having to pay any duties. But at the end of the day, some cars are just more expensive than others. 

 

So, no. Just no. 

[Gweiloman]

It is “clear” from the posts here and in other threads that the government is trying to get rid of farangs. Immigration hassles, pollution, dual pricing, insurance, minimum income, Coronavirus etc. But the farangs are a resolute group of people. They are not so easily defeated. The Thai government needs to do more.
 

Come on Thai government. Give it your best shot. Farangs are standing firm, refusing to leave. The government needs to do better. Maybe start to implement curfews. No farangs allowed outdoors after from 21:00 to 09:00 hours. Sale of farang food in supermarkets only on Mondays and Wednesdays. There is nothing the government can do that will make them leave. Farangs will teach Thailand a lesson. 

[rkidlad]

30 minutes ago, Just Weird said:

What have electric Toyotas got to do with this? The Smart cars are not electric.

 

The BMWs are locally made.

You're the one who first mentioned that they're petrol cars. Cheaper alternatives to 5 series can be found - petrol or not. 

[JustAnotherHun]

BMW's brown envelopes might have been bigger than the competitor's....

[Sonyboy]

Makes me feel a lot safer now that these people have been caught and found guilty for their terrible crime,for probably making small cash,I could and can understand when the long over stayers or criminals are caught,this is getting ridiculous for a day not reporting a stayer. 

[Matzzon]

17 minutes ago, rkidlad said:

A BMW 5 series in Germany would be about 45,000 euros for the basic model. The cheapest Camry in Japan (that's the 5 series equivalent that can be bought in Thailand) is about 37,000 US dollars (34,000 Euros)

 

I'm sure they can buy any car they like without having to pay any duties. But at the end of the day, some cars are just more expensive than others. 

 

So, no. Just no. 

More expensive than other? Yes, sure. 

To compare a Camry with a BMW is a joke though. To get the facts about if it´s more expensive in Thailand, the only way is to compare the same cars and the same models.

So, Yes, Yes and YES! ???? 

[Sonyboy]

28 minutes ago, rkidlad said:

An equivalent model of a BMW series 5 from Toyota is a Camry. Why immigration would need a more luxurious model of either brands is beyond me. They're not traffic police. 

 

Local prices for both cars:

 

Camry = 1,455,000 for the most basic model (give or take 50-100k either side of the price)

 

BMW 5 series = 2,959,000 for the basic 5 series (same rule above applies). 

 

Both manufacturers will offer a discount for fleet buying. I'm sure both will offer a discount for servicing, too. The massive difference being that one manufacturer and model is considerably more expensive than the other. 

 

So back to my main point: the purchases of these vehicles is a massive waste of tax payers' money. 

True,plus the maintenance is a lot higher,if a decent Mechanic/Engineer come computer programmer is available for the complicated BMW,also BMW's are not so good a build now,plastic deteriorates quickly,and for a small engine job most of the engine compartment has to be removed.

[metisdead]

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