7 hours ago, sucit said:

Yes. They all vote together, without even thinking about the actual issue, like high school cliques. Were you trying to support my point? 

Yes. Up until Bush there was a lot of consensus. But with Clinton the divide between GOP and Dems increased dramatically, and it is the same today.  Clinton was absolutely guilty - but the Dems acquited anyway - now they do not work together much at all.

 

33 minutes ago, AussieBob18 said:

Yes. Up until Bush there was a lot of consensus. But with Clinton the divide between GOP and Dems increased dramatically, and it is the same today.  Clinton was absolutely guilty - but the Dems acquited anyway - now they do not work together much at all.

 

So gwb caused the consensus divide. Good you agree.

 

Clinton lied about a bj. Gwb lied about wmd. Trump lied about....well 16000 things.

 

Im sure you think clinton did more damage for some illogical reason.

14 hours ago, Somtamnication said:

How shocking!

How dare you!

I try to be respectful to the democrats on this forum, so my condolences to y'all.

13 hours ago, mogandave said:

If Trump “pressured  a foreign government” why did Selensky not make the announcement? 
 

Why did the House not compel the witnesses to testify? 
 

 

Because the House Dems are a bunch of vain clowns who think they own the world.

Led by Mr. Schiff; vain, idle, pathetic liar, horse blinders, obsessed, authoritarian (sounds familiar right?), sociopath, etc. Ho ho ho, looks like a certain Mr. Trump as I have read from all never Trumpers here on TV. Get over it. Trump made a mistake/blunder in his selfishness, but not enough for an impeachment. It is a fierce warning to him though.

13 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

If you have to ask I have no hope to explain it to you.

You could start by watching the news. And I mean news, not fox fairytales. 

CNN again?

So glad the dem circus is over.  A total waste of time and you name it.  Watch, they will keep hounding this guy for the next four years. 

13 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

Where's the testimony from the hidden 18th House witness, Michael Atkinson?  Why has Schiff refused to release it?  Why has no one on the left here requested to know what Atkinson's testimony was?  Are you folks really interested in the truth?

Off course they are not. It's all Trump OUT that counts as they cannot stand having lost the elections. The serpent here is in the so called whistle blower that would finally blow up in Schiffty's face. He's been bending in all directions to avoid anything to come out about the whistle blower that might as well be the military man insisting to be named by his rank. (I suppose you all followed the hearings? Mwah) Many don't talk about the moment in the hearings that Schiff interrupted this man when he was almost about to reveal a secret under oath. I think that was a crucial moment that showed how afraid Schiff is for the truth to come out.

13 hours ago, sirineou said:

I dont understand you.

Most republican senators openly admit they believe he did it. Why don't you and you ask nonsensical questions? 

This is what Lamar Alexander say: " LAMAR ALEXANDER: TRUMP OBVIOUSLY DID IT, SO NO NEED TO HEAR FROM WITNESSES BEFORE WE ACQUIT" 

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/01/lamar-alexander-impeachment-witnesses

Yes and he also stated that it was not enough for putting Trump out of office for.

If you tell something, tell it all and not like the Schiff Club did. 

 The excuse is that we know all we need to know, calling witnesses will waste time. 

Well let's think about that . Not calling witnesses will indeed save time but since a large percentage of the people support calling witnesses , not calling witnesses will affect the credibility   of an acquittal.

So what is more important, saving a couple of days, or assuring the credibility of the process and acceptance of result??? 

Unless republicans are as stupid as their supporters, they know the above dynamics,the time saving  excuse is a red herring,  the only reason they are not calling witnesses is because they are afraid of what they might find out. 

6 minutes ago, hugocnx said:

Yes and he also stated that it was not enough for putting Trump out of office for.

If you tell something, tell it all and not like the Schiff Club did. 

So what was the reason for not calling him? to save time????? Risk the credibility of the whole process to save time??? Risk the acquittal being questioned to save a day??

ARE YOU KIDDING ME? or are you kidding yourself because you are afraid of what you will find out?

 

11 hours ago, BobBKK said:

This circus and this "House" will stick to the Dems like a bad nightmare for decades to come. Weaponising impeachment, deluded conspiracy theories plus defending VP's QPQ. Disgusting!!!

Days of the Dems are over anyways. Socialist commie Sanders seems the new deal, green or not. Get in the socialists and subordinate to the almighty globalist government that deprives you of ALL.

 

5 minutes ago, sirineou said:

So what was the reason for not calling him? to save time????? Risk the credibility of the whole process to save time??? Risk the acquittal being questioned to save a day??

ARE YOU KIDDING ME? or are you kidding yourself because you are afraid of what you will find out?

 

It was about Senator Alexander right? I don't understand who you wanna call.

11 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

John Bolton ( That well known liberal lefty)  is in the midst of exposing the Trump crimes that the GOP Senators wish not to hear about.

 

They have made their bed, now they must lie in it.

Bolton is a bed bug like McCain was. Jesuit infiltration.

It’s a shame that such a cringe worthy and an embarrassment of a “world leader” will not be removed from office but the good news is that the whole world is celebrating. 

The self proclaimed world policeman has shown itself to be as corrupt and unethical as any banana republic.

 

Traditional allies will start to distance themselves as it would be political suicide for them to be seen to closely associate themselves with a proven liar. Adversaries are rubbing their hands in glee at the inevitable demise of USA as a world power. 
 

Internally, the State Department and intelligence community have been thoroughly demoralised and their performance will deteriorate. America will find herself in more and more conflicts around the world, conveniently orchestrated by Russia, China and some Middle Eastern countries. 
 

The higher they climb, the harder they fall. 

21 minutes ago, hugocnx said:

Yes and he also stated that it was not enough for putting Trump out of office for.

If you tell something, tell it all and not like the Schiff Club did. 

Glad you agree. Tell it all. But repubs dont want that.

15 minutes ago, hugocnx said:

Days of the Dems are over anyways. Socialist commie Sanders seems the new deal, green or not. Get in the socialists and subordinate to the almighty globalist government that deprives you of ALL.

 

Who pays the police and fire brigade, teachers.

Lindsay graham in 1999

We must have witnesses

 

Lindsay graham in 2019

Show me evidrnce of a quid pro quo and that will be a problem

 

2020. Dont show me evidence. I dont want to know of any quid pro quo.

8 hours ago, mogandave said:

 

 No, I mean for most everyone (except the left) 

 

 

Only the left cares about income inequality, and then only in as much as they can exploit it. 

 

 

Yes, all the sudden the left is concerned about the deficit. 
 

What have any of the leftists running for President suggested they would do to reduce the deficit? 

 

 

No. You (again) have to resort to making things up. 
 

Why not provide an example? 

 

 

The “owner” of Facebook is a leftist, why would o believe him? 
 

It always amuses me how much smarter the left thinks they are than the non-left. Particularly since they ruin everything they touch.

 

No, but the leftists that use it to generate animosity do often lie. 
 

The left makes something up, calls it a fact and then calls you a fool when you don’t agree with it. 

"Only the left cares about income equality".

 

You follow that with "the left makes things up" lol

 

That may take the cake as the most ridiculous statement I have read on here. 

 

No, the vast majority of the population cares about income inequality. 

 

Income inequality is the basis for almost everything and everyone in society. How much would crime go down if poor families had money to feed their families and health care to have control over medical bills? 

 

Many democratic candidates have proposed higher taxes for wealthy people. That is how they would reduce the deficit. You see how that works? The opposite of my point: Trump lowered taxes for the rich and and budget skyrocketed. That us not making stuff up, that is a fact. Many dems also propose to bring troops home. You really need to catch up here... these things would save money and they are being proposed. 

 

Your party is responsible for going into Iraq and we have been at war for the last 20 years and gained nothing while spending trillions, and the dems "ruin everything they touch". lol

 

You are honestly so far off I find it impossible to even discuss things with you. You are really asking for an example of how the rich steal from the poor when income inequality is at its highest in history? Since you seem to need the help: wars are started by manufacturing consent, they are taxpayer funded and the military contractors and manufacturers then pocket the money. That is your requested example of how the rich steal from taxpayers.

1 minute ago, Sujo said:

Lindsay graham in 1999

We must have witnesses

 

Lindsay graham in 2019

Show me evidrnce of a quid pro quo and that will be a problem

 

2020. Dont show me evidence. I dont want to know of any quid pro quo.

You better avoid a job in politics LOL

7 minutes ago, hugocnx said:

You better avoid a job in politics LOL

True. Especially as a repub. Marci rubio takes the cake.

 

"Just because actions meet a standard of impeachment does not mean it is in the best interest of the country to remove a President from office. ...

"... I will not vote to remove the President because doing so would inflict extraordinary and potentially irreparable damage to our already divided nation."

 

Real good. Its impeachable but he doesnt want to do it. Does he think that this will unite? What an idiot.

 

9 hours ago, JerseytoBKK said:

I doubt it. They know they have no chance in Nov and will continue their attempt to prevent the people of the US from voting for the candidate of their choice.

 

Here is Shumer scolding Kamala Harris at his press conference. She can't keep a straight face while he spins his BS.

 

I'd post the direct twitter link but that might get deleted. Look at the twitter gif that's halfway down the article.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/media/chuck-schumer-scolds-kamala-harris-sherrod-brown-impeachment-trial

 

Warning, this is funny and addictive. Hard to stop watching  and laughing at the clown show.

 

Goes to show how Harris understands the gravity of the situation. Yes, the clown show.

The other clown show is that Nadler steals the final statement from Schiff. Never had a better time for days. Schiff and Nadler are not really the 'two' amigo's you might hope to be in an investigation like this. Nadler was openly humiliated by Schiff earlier; say in a Schumer like way. Shut up, I am the nepotist in charge.

That Nadler did not show up on Friday for reason of his sick wife. Benefit of the doubt and I hope all gets well for the Nadlers, but I strongly believe he absented because he got fried by Schiffty Schiff. 

8 hours ago, mogandave said:

 

 No, I mean for most everyone (except the left) 

 

 

Only the left cares about income inequality, and then only in as much as they can exploit it. 

 

 

Yes, all the sudden the left is concerned about the deficit. 
 

What have any of the leftists running for President suggested they would do to reduce the deficit? 

 

 

No. You (again) have to resort to making things up. 
 

Why not provide an example? 

 

 

The “owner” of Facebook is a leftist, why would o believe him? 
 

It always amuses me how much smarter the left thinks they are than the non-left. Particularly since they ruin everything they touch.

 

No, but the leftists that use it to generate animosity do often lie. 
 

The left makes something up, calls it a fact and then calls you a fool when you don’t agree with it. 

This post is so priceless I even changed my signature for it. If anyone can outdo "only the left cares about income inequality" I will change it. But I think that will hold the top spot for a good while. 

8 hours ago, Sujo said:

Of course. Why wouldnt they know who they booked. Do you have anything to say otherwise?

 

Trump supporters dont understand truth and facts.

 

8 hours ago, Sujo said:

What a piece of garbage is rand paul.

 

He forwarded a question but supreme court justice roberts refused to read it because it named the whistleblower.

 

So rand paul walks out and names him. The guy has had death threats. Now he will get more. Rand paul better hope nothing happens to him.

 

8 hours ago, Sujo said:

Marco Rubio. Moron of the year award. Wow.

 

"Just because actions meet a standard of impeachment does not mean it is in the best interest of the country to remove a President from office. ...

"... I will not vote to remove the President because doing so would inflict extraordinary and potentially irreparable damage to our already divided nation."

You'd better not go into politics as I earlier suggested. You'd better go wash your mouth and not putting labels on people because you don't agree with them.

The Trump supporters don't understand? Where did you get that?

Rand Paul is a piece of garbage?

Marco Rubio is a moron?

And all this is allowed? 

 

I didn't vote for Trump and I am firmly of the opinion that this impeachment was a complete farce.

Democrats started attempting to impeach Trump 16 hours BEFORE he became President.

It's all a lie.

Impeachment is about one thing and one thing only. It's about stopping him from being re-elected in 2020.

The Democrats leading candidate right now is not a Democrat. That's how horrible the DNC is today. Democrats find a communist wizard from Utopia more palatable than any of their own. 

Impeachment was a farce. Everyone with an ounce of intelligence knew it from the beginning. Even the Democrats know it. Even the white hair commie knows it.

Democrats have run with one hoax after the other all the while doing their best to lead the country to war in Syria, Iran and Eastern Europe.

And that is why they hate Trump.

He is not playing their games. Their war games. It's killing their bottom line.

The Neo-liberal Party of the Clintons wants war, conflict and the billions of dollars that comes to them from those events. If you can't see this, you're a fool. 

Voting their conscience or bored and want to go home?

 

2 hours ago, hugocnx said:

It was about Senator Alexander right? I don't understand who you wanna call.

I don't understand the above, Alexander in essence said "we believe he did it but it does not rise to an impeachable offence"  Rubio said  "Just because actions meet a standard of impeachment does not mean it is in the best interest of the country to remove a President from office. ...

"... I will not vote to remove the President because doing so would inflict extraordinary and potentially irreparable damage to our already divided nation"

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/31/politics/marco-rubio-donald-trump-senate-impeachment-trial/index.html

So we have some in the republican saying he did not do it, some saying that he did it but it's not so bad, and some saying it is bad but it would be worst if we remove him.

  Something for everyone!

The only ones who do not by now believe he did not do it are those with Oatmeal  for brains. 

5 hours ago, Chiphigh said:

It is? 

 

Then why is the ICIG testimony being purposely withheld from the republicans? 

 

Explain that please, if you can. 

so get that in the trail too, your country is a farce of democracy now

6 hours ago, mogandave said:

 

The only part that is fiction is the House voting in a non-partisan manner. 
 

Zero Republicans voted to impeach. 

Of course, they are involved in this cover up too

2 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

so get that in the trail too, your country is a farce of democracy now

Oh Frits, you must be from The Netherlands reading your member name. There ain't no democracy in The Netherlands either. Examples more than enough.