Klobuchar surge in New Hampshire could reshuffle Democratic White House race

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, samran said:

Stranger things have happened, like your President.

 

The only person that can beat him is someone who is not of the ‘swamp’. It is that simple and visceral.   Trump will pull the rest to pieces - and it pains me to say that. 

Yes, they have. But 45 was a Black Swan historical event. Electing an openly gay small city mayor would also be a Black Swan historical event. Black Swan historical events are very rare by definition. Remember 45 is the incumbent now. Any incumbent, no matter how horrible, and in my view 45 is the most horrible president in American history, has a built in large advantage by default. That's an argument for Bloomberg actually. His money could reduce that natural advantage.

[JHolmesJr]

45 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

She's not getting trounced. She has emerged now from a 2nd or 3rd tier contender for the democratic nomination into the TOP tier. 

 

Smells like desperation...elevating a 3rd place into contender status.

The headline in the media should read:

 

KLOBBERED!

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, Cryingdick said:

It looks like Buttgieg is a threat. As a gay man myself I can only wonder if he is Booty-licious enough to win. Right now I think he is the best chance.

See you had to mention being gay yourself in order to attempt to make your comment acceptable.

Sorry, not working.

[Hanuman2547]

1 hour ago, webfact said:

Sanders narrowly wins New Hampshire Democratic primary, Biden lags badly

By John Whitesides and Amanda Becker

 

Democratic U.S. presidential candidate Senator Bernie Sanders is accompanied by his wife Jane O’Meara Sanders as he arrives to speak at his New Hampshire primary night rally in Manchester, N.H., U.S., February 11, 2020. REUTERS/Rick Wilking

 

MANCHESTER, N.H. - Bernie Sanders narrowly won New Hampshire's Democratic presidential primary on Tuesday, solidifying his front-runner status in the nominating race and dealing a setback to moderate rival Joe Biden, who appeared likely to finish a disappointing fifth.

 

Sanders, a progressive senator from neighbouring Vermont, fended off attacks from rivals who warned his far-left views would lead the party to defeat in the Nov. 3 election against Republican President Donald Trump.

 

“Let me take this opportunity to thank the people of New Hampshire for a great victory tonight,” Sanders told supporters in Manchester, New Hampshire.

 

Moderate Pete Buttigieg, the 38-year-old former mayor of South Bend, Indiana, was in second place after edging out Sanders in last week's chaotic and disputed first nominating contest in Iowa. Both campaigns have asked for a partial recanvass of Iowa results.

 

It was also a good night for Senator Amy Klobuchar, who rode a wave of momentum from a strong debate on Friday into an apparent third-place finish.

 

Biden, the former vice president who was once the front-runner in the Democratic race, limped to his second consecutive poor finish after placing fourth in Iowa. He is certain to face growing questions about his campaign's viability and his ability to consolidate moderate support against a surging Buttigieg and Klobuchar.

 

Biden fared poorly in two previous runs for president before winning election in 2008 as President Barack Obama's No. 2. He hopes to stay afloat this time until the Feb. 29 contest in South Carolina and a series of contests in other Southern states on Super Tuesday on March 3, where his support among African Americans will be a strength.

 

Without strong showings there, his race could be over.

 

"It ain't over, man. It's just getting started," Biden told supporters in South Carolina.

 

U.S. Senator Elizabeth Warren, a progressive ally of Sanders who was considered a favourite in New Hampshire three months ago, also had a bad night. She finished fourth, and also will face questions about her continued viability.

 

The results began to thin the field of Democrats seeking the right to take on Trump in the Nov. 3 election, with businessman Andrew Yang and Senator Michael Bennet dropping out after it became clear they would finish well out of the running. CBS News reported that Deval Patrick, the former Massachusetts governor, would drop out on Wednesday.

 

(Reporting by John Whitesides, James Oliphant, Simon Lewis, Michael Martina and Amanda Becker in New Hampshire, and Doina Chiacu and Ginger Gibson in Washington; Writing by John Whitesides; Editing by Peter Cooney)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2020-02-12

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Looks like it is over for Biden and Warren.  They are just about done.  Pete is too young and his orientation won't play well with certain groups.  Bernie is a Socialist and too far to the left.  The Democratic party is currently in a mess.  They have no viable candidate that can unseat Trump.  Due to that, the USA and the world will be stuck with four more years of the orange monster.  

[DoctorG]

Would have been surprised if Bernie had not won NH, but Pete coming in a close second must be really making him nervous.

Biden keeps telling voters to vote for somebody else, so I guess they did.

[Jingthing]

29 minutes ago, Hanuman2547 said:

Looks like it is over for Biden and Warren.  They are just about done.  Pete is too young and his orientation won't play well with certain groups.  Bernie is a Socialist and too far to the left.  The Democratic party is currently in a mess.  They have no viable candidate that can unseat Trump.  Due to that, the USA and the world will be stuck with four more years of the orange monster.  

Bloomberg and Klobuchar are very viable. 

[Jingthing]

25 minutes ago, DoctorG said:

Would have been surprised if Bernie had not won NH, but Pete coming in a close second must be really making him nervous.

Biden keeps telling voters to vote for somebody else, so I guess they did.

The losses of both Biden and Warren were both remarkable. Warren being from Massachusetts is in the same media market as Massachusetts. I hope she just quits but she can probably still get some traction based on who she might endorse. 

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

See you had to mention being gay yourself in order to attempt to make your comment acceptable.

Sorry, not working.

Exactly. It's a step up from 'some of my best friends are but' though. 

[Jingthing]

2 hours ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

Smells like desperation...elevating a 3rd place into contender status.

The headline in the media should read:

 

KLOBBERED!

Politics is largely about expectations. She massively exceeded expectations while Biden and Warren massively fell short of them. 

 

But frankly I am heartened to hear of any 45 fans viciously dissing Amy because that indicates the obvious. She's a serious threat to beat 45 in a landslide. They can't demonize her as a socialist. 

 

The dream opponent for 45 and his cult of personality followers is obviously Bernie. 

[blazes]

6 hours ago, Jingthing said:

She's been my top choice all along. She performs beautifully in the senate so has credible experience. She has strong African American support in her state. She wins bigly in precincts in her state that went for 45. She's Midwestern. She's a woman. She's likeable and tough at the same time. She's a high energy tireless campaigner. She is middle aged. Not too young or old. Biden hopefully is badly fading. Her lane is Buttigeig. She is obviously a much stronger choice than him. 

 

"Bigly"?????????????  Where have I heard that adverb before?

[samran]

1 hour ago, DoctorG said:

Would have been surprised if Bernie had not won NH, but Pete coming in a close second must be really making him nervous.

Biden keeps telling voters to vote for somebody else, so I guess they did.

Bernie, with his third(?) shot at this and the profile he has, should have romped it home.

 

Instead, it says alot that party members are turning to much fresher faces who they see have a better chance at the General. 

[Jingthing]

42 minutes ago, rhyddid said:

Blue shall support her, either as President candidate or Vice President of Sanders 

I think (Julián) Castro would be a much better match for Bernie. Political pun intended.

[Thaidream]

5 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Some will. But some will also flood to Klobuchar because Klobuchar is a much more credible candidate to take on 45. Mayor of a small city? Gimme a break. 

While I like her, I don't  think she can stand up to a debate with Trump and win the Electoral votes needed in the swing states.  We need a candidate who can beat Trump not only on issues but personality.

 

While I firmly believe  Bernie's platform is what America needs, Trump will eviscerate him  on the Socialism isues.

 

IMO, the only candidate who can beat Trump is  Mike Bloomberg.  He has the background- a New Yorker- knows how Trump operates and won;t back down on the insults. While i have not seen his platform in detail he appears to be a centrist who will go left on some issues and right on  other issues.  His running mate would be the key-  Iwould go with a Bloomberg- Koubachar ticket for all the reasons stated about her. 

 

Bloomberg will bring in the male business oriented vote and keep the markets calm regarding any socialism issue as well as tackle Trump head on regarding actual issues as he is much smarter than Trump and can talk real business.

 

Amy will bring in the female vote and the minority vote as she has appeal to that sector and can well hold her own against Pence in any debate/  Cabinet positions for Bernie Sanders; Mayor Pete and Andrew Yang. and Elizabeth Warren- named after the Democratic Convention by Mike and Amy.

 

 

Edited February 12, 2020 by Thaidream

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, Thaidream said:

While I like her, I don't  think she can stand up to a debate with Trump and win the Electoral votes needed in the swing states.  We need a candidate who can beat Trump not only on issues but personality.

 

While I firmly believe  Bernie's platform is what America needs, Trump will eviscerate him  on the Socialism isues.

 

IMO, the only candidate who can beat Trump is  Mike Bloomberg.  He has the background- a New Yorker- knows how Trump operates and won;t back down on the insults. While i have not seen his platform in detail he appears to be a centrist who will go left on some issues and right on  other issues.  His running mate would be the key-  Iwould go with a Bloomberg- Koubachar ticket for all the reasons stated about her. 

 

Bloomberg will bring in the male business oriented vote and keep the markets calm regarding any socialism issue as well as tackle Trump head on regarding actual issues as he is much smarter than Trump and can talk real business.

 

Amy will bring in the female vote and the minority vote as she has appeal to that sector and can well hold her own against Pence in any debate/  Cabinet positions for Bernie Sanders; Mayor Pete and Andrew Yang. and Elizabeth Warren- named after the Democratic Convention by Mike and Amy.

 

 

I think either one could beat 45 in debates but for different reasons. Of course all decent Americans should support anyone that is nominated other then 45. It would be impossible to do worse than 45.

[Chiphigh]

9 hours ago, Jingthing said:

She's been my top choice all along. She performs beautifully in the senate so has credible experience. She has strong African American support in her state. She wins bigly in precincts in her state that went for 45. She's Midwestern. She's a woman. She's likeable and tough at the same time. She's a high energy tireless campaigner. She is middle aged. Not too young or old. Biden hopefully is badly fading. Her lane is Buttigeig. She is obviously a much stronger choice than him. 

She has the personality of a lamp post. 

 

But the dnc will rig it so bernie can't be nominated anyway. 

 

None of the can't I dates will win

[JHolmesJr]

3 hours ago, Jingthing said:

But frankly I am heartened to hear of any 45 fans viciously dissing Amy because that indicates the obvious. She's a serious threat to beat 45 in a landslide.

 

You can't be serious!

You do know that a this point he'll steamroll any of these lightweights in a heartbeat.

What have they accomplished compared to him?

Nada.

[Jingthing]

It's worth mentioning I think that the primary nominating process is not the same thing as the electoral college process. In the electoral college in most states, when one candidate gets just one vote more, then they win ALL that state's electoral college votes. In other words, not proportional. In nominating primaries the awarding of delegates in contrast is proportional. So although Bernie did win in New Hampshire, Buttigieg and Klobuchar win delegates as well. That's the game going towards the convention. Win as many delegates as possible. It's way early yet and both Iowa and New Hampshire are not delegate heavy states.

Edited February 12, 2020 by Jingthing

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

You can't be serious!

You do know that a this point he'll steamroll any of these lightweights in a heartbeat.

What have they accomplished compared to him?

Nada.

I am serious,

Your hubris is empty. 

[bristolboy]

24 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

 

What have they accomplished compared to him?

Nada.

Really, Blumenthal for one, is immensely richer than Trump and he did it without  being raised and repeatedly rescued by a rich daddy.

[sucit]

9 hours ago, sucit said:

A centrist, woman democrat running against Trump, who has much less funding and political leverage than the last one, who lost. 

 

Voter turnout will be low with her too. People have tried to point out her strengths in this thread and even then it is absolute yawn-ville.

I shoulda said "a centrist, woman, establishment democrat...". 

 

Why is this point not being brought up more? Hilary had more money, more political capital, even more energy and personality, which is scary let me tell you. 

 

People bring up reasons the other candidates are going to lose, but there is no precedent for that. For Klobuchar, we actually have a comp from four goddam years ago, and it aint so good. 

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, sucit said:

I shoulda said "a centrist, woman, establishment democrat...". 

 

Why is this point not being brought up more? Hilary had more money, more political capital, even more energy and personality, which is scary let me tell you. 

 

People bring up reasons the other candidates are going to lose, but there is no precedent for that. For Klobuchar, we actually have a comp from four goddam years ago, and it aint so good. 

Not really!

HRC had serious baggage.

Including her husband.

[JHolmesJr]

3 hours ago, bristolboy said:

Really, Blumenthal for one, is immensely richer than Trump and he did it without  being raised and repeatedly rescued by a rich daddy.

Whats blumenthal ever done for americans?

He's like a senate ornament sorting his anti trump lines and nothing else.

[Slickrick]

I thought Biden was done but there is a chance he could do better in SC.  Blacks will stay with him because of the Obama connection but has a problem raising money.

[Jingthing]

38 minutes ago, Slickrick said:

I thought Biden was done but there is a chance he could do better in SC.  Blacks will stay with him because of the Obama connection but has a problem raising money.

I don't think that they will. Southern black democrats are largely pragmatic, want a winner, and are not very liberal especially on social issues. They can see what everyone else can see -- Biden is in decline as a human being and a candidate. Nothing personal. It happens. But he isn't entitled just because he was VP to Obama to waste a nomination when there are obviously stronger choices now. Dog faced pony soldiers indeed. Like all democrats and even more so they need for 45 to lose. So, no, Biden won't win in S.C. and that's a must win for him. He'll do better than in New Hampshire but he needs to win there. The votes that would have gone to Biden will migrate to Klobuchar as has been shown happened in New Hampshire. Yep Klobuchar picked up a lot of the Biden votes there. Bloomberg is not on the ballot in S.C. (not on until Super Tuesday) though but if he was he would have gotten a lot of support too (he's now 3rd in national polls).  But of course many southern blacks will vote for Bernie as well. The top tier candidate that has the biggest challenge in that regard is Buttigieg but he is trying. Klobuchar and Bloomberg also have work to do but I don't think the stop and frisk thing is nearly as big as problem as some people think as he has apologized. Remember Obama was against gay marriage in his first term and he always had strong LGBT support anyway. In real life politics people make realistic compromises especially when someone truly horrible is the alternative. 

Edited February 12, 2020 by Jingthing

[Jingthing]

49 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

Whats blumenthal ever done for americans?

He's like a senate ornament sorting his anti trump lines and nothing else.

He meant Bloomberg. Mike Bloomberg. 

[Jingthing]

I thought about this a little more and maybe Biden will win in S.C. because Bloomberg isn't on the ballot. But come super Tuesday, forget about it. The older Americans will realize that Biden is an incredibly bad campaigner and has run tons of times and never did well, in fact, did shockingly poorly. He figured being VP on Obama's coattails changed that history but it doesn't appear so. It's sad for him but the country can live without him being president, but it arguably can't live with a 45 second term. 

Edited February 12, 2020 by Jingthing

[heybruce]

8 hours ago, Thaidream said:

While I like her, I don't  think she can stand up to a debate with Trump and win the Electoral votes needed in the swing states.  We need a candidate who can beat Trump not only on issues but personality.

 

While I firmly believe  Bernie's platform is what America needs, Trump will eviscerate him  on the Socialism isues.

 

IMO, the only candidate who can beat Trump is  Mike Bloomberg.  He has the background- a New Yorker- knows how Trump operates and won;t back down on the insults. While i have not seen his platform in detail he appears to be a centrist who will go left on some issues and right on  other issues.  His running mate would be the key-  Iwould go with a Bloomberg- Koubachar ticket for all the reasons stated about her. 

 

Bloomberg will bring in the male business oriented vote and keep the markets calm regarding any socialism issue as well as tackle Trump head on regarding actual issues as he is much smarter than Trump and can talk real business.

 

Amy will bring in the female vote and the minority vote as she has appeal to that sector and can well hold her own against Pence in any debate/  Cabinet positions for Bernie Sanders; Mayor Pete and Andrew Yang. and Elizabeth Warren- named after the Democratic Convention by Mike and Amy.

 

 

Sanders will excite the left, but he will also excite the right.  He will also turn off centrist Democrats and will cause Trump hating Republicans (there are many) to either sit out the election or vote third party.

 

The Democrats need a centrist who will not frighten the Trump supporters who have found Trump to be a disaster (farmers and coal miners come to mind), who centrists can support and who will give traditional pre-2016 Republicans an alternative to Trump.  We also need Sanders supporters to not sulk and sit out the election or vote third party because they couldn't get their idol.

 

BTW, I like some of Sanders' ideas, but he is a career politician with no significant legislative accomplishments other than getting re-elected.  Trump would have a field day against him.

[Chiphigh]

5 hours ago, heybruce said:

The electorate will decide this election?  What a relief!  Last time it was a minority of voters and a stacked electoral college.

Bruce, voters decide the election and the number of electoral votes. 

 

Your crooked candidate lost. She deserved to. 

 

The college is not stacked, unless you want to count the illegals in California 

[howbri]

The democrats are toast. Their absurd, weak, communist agenda has sunk them. MAGA. Trump in a landslide.

[Chiphigh]

14 hours ago, Jingthing said:

I think either one could beat 45 in debates but for different reasons. Of course all decent Americans should support anyone that is nominated other then 45. It would be impossible to do worse than 45.

Here we are again with the ridiculous virtue signaling based on an opinion.