Thai Driving permit.....

[transam]

Thailand is listed as the 1949 thingy......Scroll down this UK Gov. page stating what countries you need an IDP.....

https://www.gov.uk/driving-abroad/international-driving-permit

[Peterw42]

1 hour ago, jackdd said:

Can you point me to the relevant section? I didn't see it.

Here the convention: https://treaties.un.org/doc/Treaties/1952/03/19520326 03-36 PM/Ch_XI_B_1_2_3.pdf

In the treaty copy you link to,

 

page 21 chapter V, article 24, section 1 says you can drive on home licence so long as home licence meets the criteria specified in (page 50) annex 9 "Model driving permit", point 3, which states (amongst other criteria) that a home driving licence must have inscription repeated in Latin alphabet English script.

To meet the treaty requirements, all licenses (not IDP) in the world need to comply with annex 9

 

Page 21  chapter V, article 24, section 2 says a country "MAY" ask for in IDP (not mandatory) if the home licence does not comply with annex 9

 

The treaty does not decide or mandate if an IDP is required, the individual country decides if an IDP is required, if the home licence does not meet the standard licence criteria defined in annex 9. If a home licence does not meet the annex 9 criteria, a country "MAY" ask for an IDP to confirm the missing details from the home licence.

 

Countries accept each others annex 9 format/information standard licenses, if some annex 9 information is not on the home license then the country can ask for an IDP to provide/clarify the missing information.

 

Thailand asks for (section 42) documents specified in the treaty , that is a valid license as per annex 9, not an IDP. 

Thailand states (section 42.2) that they accept licenses of other treaty countries.

Local legislation mandates if an IDP is required, not the treaties. Thailand makes no mention in local legislation that an IDP is required.

 

 

 

Edited February 16, 2020 by Peterw42

[jackdd]

9 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

page 21 chapter V, article 24, section 1 says you can drive on home licence so long as home licence meets the criteria specified in (page 50) annex 9 "Model driving permit", point 3, which states that a home driving licence must have inscription repeated in Latin alphabet English script.

To meet the treaty requirements, all licenses (not IDP) in the world need to comply with annex 9

It says "should have", not "must have" English script, so a license without any English script (for example in pure Arabic script as another poster mentioned before) would still be ok under this definiton.

But it defines a size of 74x105mm, a credit card sized license doesn't match this. "driving permit" in the language of the issuing state will be written on it, as well as "permis de conduire". Maybe a french driving license matches this one, but i'm not aware of any other country that does.

I guess that today no country issues driving licenses in accordance with annex 9 of this convention.

 

20 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

Thailand asks for (section 42) documents specified in the treaty , that is a valid license as per annex 9, not an IDP. 

Probably nobody here has a valid license as per annex 9, so this leaves us with the IDP specified in annex 10.

[Airbagwill]

1 hour ago, transam said:

Thailand is listed as the 1949 thingy......Scroll down this UK Gov. page stating what countries you need an IDP.....

https://www.gov.uk/driving-abroad/international-driving-permit

but not listed in the 1968 thingy.

[transam]

1 hour ago, Airbagwill said:

but not listed in the 1968 thingy.

But it does say you need an IDP.....

[Airbagwill]

4 hours ago, transam said:

But it does say you need an IDP.....

No it says what an IDP does andThailand hasn't signed it.

[jackdd]

5 hours ago, Airbagwill said:

but not listed in the 1968 thingy.

Probably because a 1968 IDP is not valid in Thailand.

[stevenl]

23 hours ago, Peterw42 said:

In the treaty copy you link to,

 

page 21 chapter V, article 24, section 1 says you can drive on home licence so long as home licence meets the criteria specified in (page 50) annex 9 "Model driving permit", point 3, which states (amongst other criteria) that a home driving licence must have inscription repeated in Latin alphabet English script.

To meet the treaty requirements, all licenses (not IDP) in the world need to comply with annex 9

 

Page 21  chapter V, article 24, section 2 says a country "MAY" ask for in IDP (not mandatory) if the home licence does not comply with annex 9

 

The treaty does not decide or mandate if an IDP is required, the individual country decides if an IDP is required, if the home licence does not meet the standard licence criteria defined in annex 9. If a home licence does not meet the annex 9 criteria, a country "MAY" ask for an IDP to confirm the missing details from the home licence.

 

Countries accept each others annex 9 format/information standard licenses, if some annex 9 information is not on the home license then the country can ask for an IDP to provide/clarify the missing information.

 

Thailand asks for (section 42) documents specified in the treaty , that is a valid license as per annex 9, not an IDP. 

Thailand states (section 42.2) that they accept licenses of other treaty countries.

Local legislation mandates if an IDP is required, not the treaties. Thailand makes no mention in local legislation that an IDP is required.

 

 

 

There is no point. I had this discussion many times with him,, her will not admit anything.

[jackdd]

On 2/16/2020 at 11:14 AM, Peterw42 said:

The treaty does not decide or mandate if an IDP is required, the individual country decides if an IDP is required, if the home licence does not meet the standard licence criteria defined in annex 9. If a home licence does not meet the annex 9 criteria, a country "MAY" ask for an IDP to confirm the missing details from the home licence.

I just saw that you appended your post.

This wasn't the point of discussion, but regarding this i agree with you, as you can see in my thread from 2018:

On 5/20/2018 at 5:25 PM, jackdd said:

The Thai law says "he must carry documents specified by the treaty"

And the treaty says "A Contracting State may however require ..."

So you could argue now that you are not required to carry an IDP in Thailand (doesn't have to do anything with in which language it is).

 

53 minutes ago, stevenl said:

There is no point. I had this discussion many times with him,, her will not admit anything.

I don't know what our discussion was exactly about, but obviously i would not agree with you if you provided zero facts for your point of view and you were most likely wrong.