Enough is enough !   Yesterday I went to Maesai immigration , after this Makro , then coffee in Huai Khrai on the way home.

Very few people wearing masks , the one I wear only stops bugs landing on the teeth when riding the bike .

all this fear ( can't spell paranoia ). I am 73 years old , I have to die of something !  I read of folk staying in and not going even to Lotus or Big c.   This is not the plague , nor the Black death ,  Talk about ' What if ' , ' What are the symptons ? '

 I read in a Surrey ( England ) paper about a pub closing for a day while they disinfect ! One person with confirmed  Corona thing.     'eaven's sake !

Just heard an interview with a Professor Gwynnyth Llewellyn of Sydney University. Her interview is by far the most frank and informative interview on this matter I've heard. She had some interesting points. Some were:

 

• She suggests that screening with infa red and temp testing is not beneficial in the overall scheme of things and with too many false positives or people using off the shelf medicine to lower fever is a waste of resource.
• She suggested educating people at ports is much better use of resource.
• She mentioned she does not believe that there is evidence of two strains of the virus because one can't just use genetic makeup to make that decision. There needs to be proof of differing transmission or symptoms and the like.
• She also mentions that countries with low infections probably has a lot more infections. This is due to either lack of testing and quality of testing. If countries test more, they will find more.
• She also believes that the science so far shows that most people will only have mild or no symptoms.
• She also believes that people showing no symptoms may be able to pass on the virus, but people with symptoms will offer a better chance of spreading the virus due to the nature of the way it spreads. People with symptoms will cough and sneeze etc.

 

That's all I can think of now. But she was no bulls**t and straight to the point. The interviewer was good, too.

5 minutes ago, Farangwithaplan said:

Just heard an interview with a Professor Gwynnyth Llewellyn of Sydney University. Her interview is by far the most frank and informative interview on this matter I've heard. She had some interesting points. Some were:

 

• She suggests that screening with infa red and temp testing is not beneficial in the overall scheme of things and with too many false positives or people using off the shelf medicine to lower fever is a waste of resource.
• She suggested educating people at ports is much better use of resource.
• She mentioned she does not believe that there is evidence of two strains of the virus because one can't just use genetic makeup to make that decision. There needs to be proof of differing transmission or symptoms and the like.
• She also mentions that countries with low infections probably has a lot more infections. This is due to either lack of testing and quality of testing. If countries test more, they will find more.
• She also believes that the science so far shows that most people will only have mild or no symptoms.
• She also believes that people showing no symptoms may be able to pass on the virus, but people with symptoms will offer a better chance of spreading the virus due to the nature of the way it spreads. People with symptoms will cough and sneeze etc.

 

That's all I can think of now. But she was no bulls**t and straight to the point. The interviewer was good, too.

"people using off the shelf medicine to lower fever is a waste of resource"

 

She is suggesting don't bother trying to lower the fever?

3 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

"people using off the shelf medicine to lower fever is a waste of resource"

 

She is suggesting don't bother trying to lower the fever?

Depends on the fever. Starting to kill your liver with half a kilo of paracetamol when you measure 37.1 is indeed a waste of resources.

4 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

"people using off the shelf medicine to lower fever is a waste of resource"

 

She is suggesting don't bother trying to lower the fever?

No, poor wording from me. I was typing quickly before I forgot the points. It is too late to edit my post now.

 

 

She is suggesting screening is not a good use of resource because it is easy to cheat with off the shelf medicines which bring down fever.

 

 

 

2 hours ago, Jonathan Fairfield said:

The Briton was admitted to a private hospital on March 3 with high fever and a cough and was later transferred to an institute specialising in respiratory disorders.

I wonder...

2 hours ago, spiekerjozef said:

Stop traveling, just stay where you are !

Im In Wuhan

1 hour ago, DrTuner said:

Now.. how many ICU beds does Thailand have? With this rate should be fully booked at some date, which I guess we could estimate from the growth rate and the usual percentage of infected ending up in critical condition.

I took interest in this, since I read many times people have been taken to Bumrasnaradura, I checked them:

http://bamras.ddc.moph.go.th/checkup/about-division.php?Id_click=163&topic_menu=วัคซีนเพื่อการเดินทางต่างประเทศ&main_menu=บริการ&table=menu_service&Id_menu=32

 

Quote

Bumrasnaradura Travel Medicine Clinic is a special clinic located in the 5th floor of Bamrasnaradura Infectious Disease Institute (BIDI) Nonthaburi, Thailand. Our institute was founded in 1960 and serves as general hospital as well as tertiary care hospital for significant infectious diseases. Quarantine of the patients under investigation of deadly infectious diseases (for e.g. MERS, Ebola) is also done in this institute.  This is a 250-bed hospital and belongs to the Department of Disease Control. 

 

250 beds there and this is from what I've gathered the main hospital in Thailand for quaranteening. Would be interesting to get a peek into what's happening there right now.

Edited March 6, 20206 yr by DrTuner

1 hour ago, Farangwithaplan said:

Just heard an interview with a Professor Gwynnyth Llewellyn of Sydney University. Her interview is by far the most frank and informative interview on this matter I've heard. She had some interesting points. Some were:

 

• She suggests that screening with infa red and temp testing is not beneficial in the overall scheme of things and with too many false positives or people using off the shelf medicine to lower fever is a waste of resource.
• She suggested educating people at ports is much better use of resource.
• She mentioned she does not believe that there is evidence of two strains of the virus because one can't just use genetic makeup to make that decision. There needs to be proof of differing transmission or symptoms and the like.
• She also mentions that countries with low infections probably has a lot more infections. This is due to either lack of testing and quality of testing. If countries test more, they will find more.
• She also believes that the science so far shows that most people will only have mild or no symptoms.
• She also believes that people showing no symptoms may be able to pass on the virus, but people with symptoms will offer a better chance of spreading the virus due to the nature of the way it spreads. People with symptoms will cough and sneeze etc.

 

That's all I can think of now. But she was no bulls**t and straight to the point. The interviewer was good, too.

Sounds like a social perspective. To be fair she is a specialist in parents and children with intellectual and psychological disabilities and family well being.  Excellent work but little to make her expert on hard core viral genomics, evolution, and pandemics.  I think this is just her opinion.

 

As I understand, there are two distinct subtypes, S and L, with different properties as measured by the researchers. 

Yup - order some tinfoil, have it delivered, make a hat.

Lock yourself indoors, see no one.

Listen to the media 24/7 to stay up to date on the "News"

Sounds like a plan - 55555 !

Hysteria - I have seen your face ! (well, read it on TV)

 

“Worry is a thin stream of fear trickling through the mind. If encouraged, it cuts a channel into which all other thoughts are drained.”
– Arthur Somers Roche

I wonder if we will hear from others on his flight ...

I think that British is not telling the whole story. UK is not a high risk country, how did he get the virus?

 

3 minutes ago, rabas said:

1 hour ago, Farangwithaplan said:

Just heard an interview with a Professor Gwynnyth Llewellyn of Sydney University. Her interview is by far the most frank and informative interview on this matter I've heard. She had some interesting points. Some were:

 

• She suggests that screening with infa red and temp testing is not beneficial in the overall scheme of things and with too many false positives or people using off the shelf medicine to lower fever is a waste of resource.
• She suggested educating people at ports is much better use of resource.
• She mentioned she does not believe that there is evidence of two strains of the virus because one can't just use genetic makeup to make that decision. There needs to be proof of differing transmission or symptoms and the like.
• She also mentions that countries with low infections probably has a lot more infections. This is due to either lack of testing and quality of testing. If countries test more, they will find more.
• She also believes that the science so far shows that most people will only have mild or no symptoms.
• She also believes that people showing no symptoms may be able to pass on the virus, but people with symptoms will offer a better chance of spreading the virus due to the nature of the way it spreads. People with symptoms will cough and sneeze etc.

 

That's all I can think of now. But she was no bulls**t and straight to the point. The interviewer was good, too.

Sounds like a social perspective. To be fair she is a specialist in parents and children with intellectual and psychological disabilities and family well being.  Excellent work but little to make her expert on hard core viral genomics, evolution, and pandemics.  I think this is just her opinion.

 

As I understand, there are two distinct subtypes, S and L, with different properties as measured by the researchers. 

It was the most informative interview because it had all the answers he WANTED to hear

6 minutes ago, rabas said:

Sounds like a social perspective. To be fair she is a specialist in parents and children with intellectual and psychological disabilities and family well being.  Excellent work but little to make her expert on hard core viral genomics, evolution, and pandemics.  I think this is just her opinion.

 

As I understand, there are two distinct subtypes, S and L, with different properties as measured by the researchers. 

Yes and then we have the opinion of an Expert

‘Irresponsible’: Trump’s virus claim blasted

1 hour ago, JAG said:

If, as I take it, they have been given a cash grant to help with fighting the virus, then that could explain a certain lack of transparency...

they will just comply to keep the money by setting up crisis management centers, hospital care, free masks, say they will test at borders or incoming people all for show, but in reality doing very little, and IMF and WHO keep releasing funds, they clearly think they can fudge the population with small handouts and keep the rest

1 hour ago, DrTuner said:

At least they seem to be testing farangs. For once we're preferred. For obvious reasons, then they can scream "the evil farangs brought it here!" when the real figures finally see sunlight.

 

The lack of transparency and honesty by the Thai public health officials has been illustrated by their recent refusal to acknowledge a confirmed case had existed in Phuket, then finally being forced to confirm it after internal documents went public, and now apparently refusing to even say if the patient involved is still there or not.  And their explanation?

 

Quote

 

The commissioner of the Bangkok disease control department said in the regular press update about Covid-19 around Thailand that the documents “are real documents, but internal documents for medical personnel”.

“The documents weren’t for the general public as they didn’t want people to panic”.

 

 

https://thethaiger.com/hot-news/coronavirus/document-confirms-covid-19-case-at-vachira-hospital-phuket

 

Quote

 

Vachira Hospital Phuket held a media conference on March 3 and told the attending media that there were no confirmed coronavirus cases in Phuket. Two days later the Bangkok Disease Control Department confirmed that there had been one confirmed case.
 

Further official comments have not been made by officials at Vachira Hospital Phuket as of the time of publication. It is not known if the patient is still under care at the hospital.

 

 

 

2 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Except are they REALLY recovered?  Time will tell....

 

There have been multiple cases of confirmed CV patients who were treated in hospitals, supposedly recovered and ended up testing negative for CV, and then only thereafter to end up back in hospital again with positive CV tests again.

 

 

It is reported that there 2 strains of Covid 19, S and L. It is also believed that if you get S and recover, than you might get another strain L and get sick again, or viceversa. I believe this virus is going to stay with us for a long time and become another flu. It's too strong and spreads quite easily.

Did he go to a hospital himself and let his insurance do the rest or was he identified at the airport and sent by authorities. 

 

The former would suggest there are million coronavirus cases in Thailand 

There is NO way a 43 year old dude lands in Thailand and does not bust a nut or 10 in his first three days.

the report makes it sound like he picked it up due to his transit in hk....it cold well be in some 

bar or anywhere else

31 minutes ago, DrTuner said:

I took interest in this, since I read many times people have been taken to Bumrasnaradura, I checked them:

http://bamras.ddc.moph.go.th/checkup/about-division.php?Id_click=163&topic_menu=วัคซีนเพื่อการเดินทางต่างประเทศ&main_menu=บริการ&table=menu_service&Id_menu=32

 

250 beds there and this is from what I've gathered the main hospital in Thailand for quaranteening. Would be interesting to get a peek into what's happening there right now.

Just to add to this, since people have been asking where to go if they suspect they are infected, I'd walk in to the travel medicine clinic there. It's next to MoPH and NIH (where the WHO reference lab is), the trio of them is the top "task force" for corona here.

34 minutes ago, canthai55 said:

Yup - order some tinfoil, have it delivered, make a hat.

Lock yourself indoors, see no one.

Listen to the media 24/7 to stay up to date on the "News"

Sounds like a plan - 55555 !

Hysteria - I have seen your face ! (well, read it on TV)

 

“Worry is a thin stream of fear trickling through the mind. If encouraged, it cuts a channel into which all other thoughts are drained.”
– Arthur Somers Roche

We are suffering from internet information overload.I rememberer the days when I was blissfully untroubled by this horrendous disease,as it is I still am blissfully untroubled by it.

Does insurance cover this?

 

1 minute ago, bwpage3 said:

Does insurance cover this?

 

Not if it's an act of god!

3 hours ago, spiekerjozef said:

Stop traveling, just stay where you are !

So airports and planes is where the virus is spreading?

44 minutes ago, DrTuner said:

Just to add to this, since people have been asking where to go if they suspect they are infected, I'd walk in to the travel medicine clinic there. It's next to MoPH and NIH (where the WHO reference lab is), the trio of them is the top "task force" for corona here.

And the price you ask?

http://bamras.ddc.moph.go.th/userfiles/Handbook of Specimen collection .pdf

 

MERS testing is 2500 so likely thereabouts (unless it's in that pathogen 33 thing), plus any profit margin. This is a government hospital lab, Thais probably get it for 30 baht or free.

 

Page 34 has the instructions for sample collection of MERS-CoV, which looks exactly the same I saw on CNN's video about Korean drive-through testing sites for SARS-CoV-2, not exactly pleasant when they stick the swab all the way back:

 

And there it is, on page 34: 'รายงานผล : 3 วันท าการ' in English: 

Report: 3 working days

 

There you have it. That's the speed of Thailand's WHO reference lab. In that table in the screenshot they also have express service in 24 hours for MERS-CoV testing.

Edited March 6, 20206 yr by DrTuner

Saperlipopette ! Snap !

 

Again, the... cold weather has struck....

 

"SINGAPORE CONFIRMS 13 NEW CORONAVIRUS CASES IN BIGGEST DAILY JUMP, INCLUDES SINGAPORE AIRLINES SIAL.SI CABIN CREW MEMBER"

 

total 130 cases.... Thailand ? .... 48

Edited March 6, 20206 yr by christophe75

2 minutes ago, christophe75 said:

Saperlipopette ! Snap !

 

Again, the... cold weather has struck....

 

"SINGAPORE CONFIRMS 13 NEW CORONAVIRUS CASES IN BIGGEST DAILY JUMP, INCLUDES SINGAPORE AIRLINES SIAL.SI CABIN CREW MEMBER"

Cold weather struck in Malaysia as well....

 

Coronavirus: Major spike in Malaysia as 28 new cases recorded

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/coronavirus-major-spike-in-malaysia-as-28-new-cases-recorded

4 hours ago, spiekerjozef said:

Stop traveling, just stay where you are !

You're so right. But what if all the staff of all airlines stops working?

 

   Two cases of infected BA staff is changing a lot.

 

   And news that the virus is changing into a more difficult to control one is just plain scary.

 

 

Sky News Breaking

 

✔@SkyNewsBreak

 

 

British Airways says Public Health England has confirmed two members of BA staff have tested positive for COVID-19 coronavirus. Scary. 

43 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

Not if it's an act of god!

Which god? THE god, or Buddha? Or perhaps you mean Mohammed? 

 

   Imagine there's no god. 

2 hours ago, DrTuner said:

And another number to look at is "Sought medical services on their own at hospitals", which is the vast majority of PUIs. Meaning usurpers are trying to stick their heads in the sand instead of aggressively trying to find and isolate cases.

 

Now.. how many ICU beds does Thailand have? With this rate should be fully booked at some date, which I guess we could estimate from the growth rate and the usual percentage of infected ending up in critical condition.

I thoroughly agree with you. It's a matter of time when the hospitals will start screaming. Then we will know the real situation on the ground.