Lockdowns not enough to defeat coronavirus: WHO's Ryan

[Logosone]

2 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

See the Washington Post report above, and the advice now being given by the U.S. government. They don't have the resources to do what you're suggesting, and they're admitting it. Wake up!!!

 

A small, single German company produced 1.4 million test kits in four weeks.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/coronavirus-german-tests-develop-private-pharma-company-cdc-a9406956.html

 

Can you imagine the possibilities? If the industrial might of the US, all of Europe, China, Japan, concentrate on producing all the test kits, all the personnel, all the labs, that are needed for mandatory testing?

 

We can defeat this virus.

 

Yes, the governments are currently testing health care workers as a priority. To get tested is difficult, you have to fulfill criteria.

 

This is wrong, there needs to be mandatory, mass testing. This is the only way to identify and isolate the carriers and the sick. 

 

It is the only way.

 

Do you have a better idea than Mike Ryan from the WHO?

"What we really need to focus on is finding those who are sick, those who have the virus, and isolate them, find their contacts and isolate them," Mike Ryan said in an interview on the BBC's Andrew Marr Show.

https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/03/22/world/europe/22reuters-health-coronavirus-who-ryan.html

 

MIKE HAS IT RIGHT! BE LIKE MIKE!

[vogie]

5 minutes ago, Logosone said:

We do have the weapons. They are the tests.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/coronavirus-german-tests-develop-private-pharma-company-cdc-a9406956.html

 

The only way to defeat the virus is to test, identify and isolate. A vaccine will follow.

 

But if you don't test, identify and isolate the sick and carriers, then you are just giving up.

 

Precisely to save the lives of health care workers is it imperative to test, identify and isolate.

 

This will control the virus, it will allow health care workers to live a normal life again.

 

There is no other way to control the virus. Self-isolation won't do it.

 

Listen to what Mike Ryan of the WHO said:

 

"What we really need to focus on is finding those who are sick, those who have the virus, and isolate them, find their contacts and isolate them," Mike Ryan said in an interview on the BBC's Andrew Marr Show.

https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/03/22/world/europe/22reuters-health-coronavirus-who-ryan.html

 

Don't be a defeatist! BE LIKE MIKE!

You can test as much as you like it will make little difference if people are going to act irresponsable like refusing to stay home or going out and mixing with other citizens. Think of it this way, one person that is infected has the ability to indirectly infect 59,000 other people, untill folk start listening to Boris and his informed advisors about how to act in this time of crisis we are just peeing into the wind.

 

 

[RichardColeman]

9 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

but this is exactly what the social distancing and isolation measures are about.

[Logosone]

7 minutes ago, vogie said:

You can test as much as you like it will make little difference if people are going to act irresponsable like refusing to stay home or going out and mixing with other citizens. Think of it this way, one person that is infected has the ability to indirectly infect 59,000 other people, untill folk start listening to Boris and his informed advisors about how to act in this time of crisis we are just peeing into the wind.

 

 

Yes, let's listen to Boris Johnson:

 

The UK will ramp up testing for coronavirus infection to 25,000 tests a day and NHS frontline staff are a priority, Boris Johnson has told the House of Commons.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/mar/18/uk-coronavirus-testing-will-increase-to-25000-a-day-says-boris-johnson

 

Boris finally got it! He will increase testing to Germany's level.

 

He listened to the frontline NHS staff, who guess what, were desperately clamouring for more testing and had to do a petition.

 

Boris got it. Mike Ryan got it:

 

"What we really need to focus on is finding those who are sick, those who have the virus, and isolate them, find their contacts and isolate them," Mike Ryan said in an interview on the BBC's Andrew Marr Show."

 

https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/03/22/world/europe/22reuters-health-coronavirus-who-ryan.html

 

BE LIKE MIKE!

 

And btw: Think of it this way, one person that is infected has the ability to indirectly infect 59,000 other people

 

That is EXACTLY why the infected have to be identified and isolated. There is no other way.

 

We can do this. Just be like Mike.

Edited March 23, 2020 by Logosone

[White Christmas13]

3 hours ago, bristolboy said:

So many faults with this. Here's a big one: How do you know who the non-symptomatic carriers are if you don't have enough tests?

specially in Thailand were poor people can't afford  paying for tests

[wensiensheng]

9 hours ago, Airalee said:

What about that inexpensive antimalerial I’ve been reading about....hydroxychloroquine.  Or is that not profitable enough for big pharma?  

What about it? There is superficial anecdotal evidence that it may help treat covid. Hardly a reason to rush out and od on the stuff as has happened in Nigeria.

 

you and trump ar on the same page, leap on every possible treatment, no matter how tenuous the potential effectiveness and then claim that you brought the cure to mankind. Smh

[rabas]

19 minutes ago, Logosone said:

We do have the weapons. They are the tests.

 

Don't be a defeatist! BE LIKE MIKE!

 Suicide testers? Each healthcare worker who fires a test kit without a mask gets shot.

[rabas]

5 minutes ago, White Christmas13 said:

specially in Thailand were poor people can't afford  paying for tests

Poor Thai are not required to pay, they all have a 30 baht card.

[White Christmas13]

Those who qualify as high-risk and have been in close contact with high-risk people, or who have just returned from high-risk countries and who have developed symptoms, such as a fever, a cough and runny nose, will not be charged if they report to state hospitals.

it does not mentioned it is free for poor people.

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/the-costs-of-testing-for-covid-19-infection/

[Logosone]

7 minutes ago, rabas said:

 Suicide testers? Each healthcare worker who fires a test kit without a mask gets shot.

Please, we're not going to do tests because there are no masks?

 

We have all the industrial might of the USA, Britain, Germany, Japan, China. A small single German company can produce 1.4 million test kits in four weeks.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/coronavirus-german-tests-develop-private-pharma-company-cdc-a9406956.html

 

Think of the possibilities. The materials for test, the personnel, the labs, all this can be increased massively. We're only at the start.

 

It can be done.

 

Mike Ryan got it:

 

"What we really need to focus on is finding those who are sick, those who have the virus, and isolate them, find their contacts and isolate them," Mike Ryan said in an interview on the BBC's Andrew Marr Show."

 

https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/03/22/world/europe/22reuters-health-coronavirus-who-ryan.html

 

Don't be a defeatist! BE LIKE MIKE!

 

[mikebike]

4 hours ago, Airalee said:

If I’m on a ventilator, I will take my chances.

Sure... try leaches or suspended silver as well...

 

If you are on a respirator you are under the care of health professionals, maybe best to follow their advice.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

14 minutes ago, wensiensheng said:

What about it? There is superficial anecdotal evidence that it may help treat covid. Hardly a reason to rush out and od on the stuff as has happened in Nigeria.

 

you and trump ar on the same page, leap on every possible treatment, no matter how tenuous the potential effectiveness and then claim that you brought the cure to mankind. Smh

 

First, that drug has not been approved by the US FDA for purpose of treating CV..

 

Second, the use of it in China produced a lot of negative results in terms of negative impacts on various kinds of patients with specific other health conditions...and if overdosed, it can be fatal.

 

There may be a use for it for CV purposes at some future point, but it's hardly a ready for prime time primary treatment drug at this point. And those billing it as such are just grasping at PR straws.

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

9 minutes ago, Logosone said:

 

Don't be a defeatist! BE LIKE MIKE!

 

 

Are you some kind of Chinese govt troll trying to see the West fall apart or what?  You keep repeating the same nonsense over and over again, and ignoring any and all facts that don't fit with your dream world. Done with you.

 

PS - I'll note, my comments above are based on what's going on right now in the U.S. and the status of things there.  I'm not following the status in the UK, so I'm not speaking to the best course that should be followed there.

 

Each country has its own situation, and different capabilities in terms of public health infrastructure, staffing, the extent of the virus spread, etc etc.

 

 

Edited March 23, 2020 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[mikebike]

1 hour ago, Logosone said:

What you seem to be missing is that test kits are being produced in record numbers.

 

A small, single, German company could produce 1.4 million test kits in the space of 4 weeks. They have so many in Germany they are handing them to the WHO so other countries can use them. 

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/coronavirus-german-tests-develop-private-pharma-company-cdc-a9406956.html

 

If a small, single German company can produce 1.4 million test kits in the space of 4 weeks, then there is definitely a possibility that this virus can be defeated.

 

And listen to what the WHO is saying:

 

"What we really need to focus on is finding those who are sick, those who have the virus, and isolate them, find their contacts and isolate them," Mike Ryan said in an interview on the BBC's Andrew Marr Show.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/03/22/world/europe/22reuters-health-coronavirus-who-ryan.html

 

Don't be a defeatist! BE LIKE MIKE!

The German test kits that u r so highly touting are useless in countries that do not have the lab facilities which Germany has. Which, of course, is most of the world. Most countries need test kits which produce results within an hour and on location.

[mikebike]

1 hour ago, Logosone said:

They can wear bin-liners like in the UK for all I care. They are health care professionals, they signed up for this, they knew the score.

Now you are suggesting that the only professionals who can help only need bin bags as protection? How long before they are all infected and can no longer help in your, "for all I care scenario"?

[rabas]

17 minutes ago, White Christmas13 said:

Those who qualify as high-risk and have been in close contact with high-risk people, or who have just returned from high-risk countries and who have developed symptoms, such as a fever, a cough and runny nose, will not be charged if they report to state hospitals.

it does not mentioned it is free for poor people.

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/the-costs-of-testing-for-covid-19-infection/

You can ask at the hospital. First thing they ask is, does the patient have a valid 30 baht card registered at this hospital. If not then, if a doctor recommends testing they get a control code from a central coordinator and will preform the test, which is paid for.  This is a private hospital.

Edited March 23, 2020 by rabas

[bristolboy]

3 minutes ago, rabas said:

You can ask at the hospital. First thing they ask is, does the patient have a valid 30 baht card registered at this hospital. If not then, if a doctor recommends testing they get a control code from a central coordinator and will preform the test, which is paid for.  This is a private hospital.

But do they actually have an adequate number of test kits in stock around the nation?

[claynlr]

8 hours ago, Boomer6969 said:

The uncontrolled "Exponential curve" is exactly what will happen in Thailand. By shutting down (somewhat) Bangkok, and not banning domestic travel, they have spread the infection to the provinces. Brace for 15 to 20 Million cases by end of May. Sadly hundreds of thousand will die.

Agreed, look at the photos of Mor Chit in another thread and all the workers in Pattaya and Bangkok streaming home because no work there. Confirmed by the GF as “so and so’s sister/brother is on the way to their family home” bla bla bla

 

used to feel safe here in the province....not anymore.

 

And the Thai way is to welcome them with open arms .....they are family and not want to lose face. 

 

 

 

Edited March 23, 2020 by claynlr

[Logosone]

19 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Are you some kind of Chinese govt troll trying to see the West fall apart or what?  You keep repeating the same nonsense over and over again, and ignoring any and all facts that don't fit with your dream world. Done with you.

 

PS - I'll note, my comments above are based on what's going on right now in the U.S. and the status of things there.  I'm not following the status in the UK, so I'm not speaking to the best course that should be followed there.

 

Each country has its own situation, and different capabilities in terms of public health infrastructure, staffing, the extent of the virus spread, etc etc.

 

 

Anyone who does not support Mike Ryan of the WHO and his excellent advice will be to blame if the West falls apart. 

 

What Mike Ryan of the WHO says is not nonsense. We have only one way to defeat the virus.

 

That is to test, identify and isolate the carriers.

 

Do you have any alternative way? Didn't think so, so <deleted> and let the professionals do their job and support them.

 

Your comments were defeatist nonsense. The US has plenty of capacity to manufacture test kits, train personnel and increase the capacity of labs. They've just been slow and not as fast as Germany.

 

If a small, single German company can manufacture 1.4 million test kits in 4 weeks what do you think the US could do with its industrial might?

 

You need to focus on one thing:

 

"What we really need to focus on is finding those who are sick, those who have the virus, and isolate them, find their contacts and isolate them," Mike Ryan said in an interview on the BBC's Andrew Marr Show.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/03/22/world/europe/22reuters-health-coronavirus-who-ryan.html

 

Don't be a defeatist! BE LIKE MIKE

 

 

 

[rabas]

29 minutes ago, wensiensheng said:

What about it? There is superficial anecdotal evidence that it may help treat covid. Hardly a reason to rush out and od on the stuff as has happened in Nigeria.

 

you and trump ar on the same page, leap on every possible treatment, no matter how tenuous the potential effectiveness and then claim that you brought the cure to mankind. Smh

There are research papers and case studies coming out everyday. It was known long before Trump, even the science on why.  It was even suggested back in the SARS days.

 

Can you imagine the whole world getting behind the cause to save man except anti-Trumpers?

[Logosone]

25 minutes ago, mikebike said:

The German test kits that u r so highly touting are useless in countries that do not have the lab facilities which Germany has. Which, of course, is most of the world. Most countries need test kits which produce results within an hour and on location.

Yes, time is precious and testing needs to be done as soon as possible.

 

It is true that labs are needed. It is true that Germany has an unusual high number. What is NOT true is that Germans have some special gene that allows only them to build labs, train personnel and interpret test results. The test for Covid19 is actually the same that is done for paternity tests and genetic diseases it has been done by most countries of the world for a very long time. Yes, more facilities will be needed. That can all be done. China could built a Covid19 hospital in days. The possibilities are there.

 

Countries are already helping each other, Germany has given the 1.4 million test kits to the WHO for other countries to use, Russia has sent specialists to Italy.  Forget about narrow national thinking, we are all in this together as humanity, that is why this aid is taking place. It is no use to Germany if it controls Covid19 and then some British guy brings it into the country. 

 

So support Mike Ryan, he has it right:

 

"What we really need to focus on is finding those who are sick, those who have the virus, and isolate them, find their contacts and isolate them," Mike Ryan said in an interview on the BBC's Andrew Marr Show."

https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/03/22/world/europe/22reuters-health-coronavirus-who-ryan.html

 

Don't be a defeatist. BE LIKE MIKE!

 

[bristolboy]

4 minutes ago, rabas said:

There are research papers and case studies coming out everyday. It was known long before Trump, even the science on why.  It was even suggested back in the SARS days.

 

Can you imagine the whole world getting behind the cause to save man except anti-Trumpers?

What cause would that be? Using hydrochloroquine to treat Covid? That's a cause? Don't you mean doing studies to see if hydrochloroquine is effective? Is that dependent on Trump? Without Trump would that not be happening?

[Logosone]

30 minutes ago, mikebike said:

Now you are suggesting that the only professionals who can help only need bin bags as protection? How long before they are all infected and can no longer help in your, "for all I care scenario"?

Don't twist my words beyond all recognition, I have never said health professionals only need bin bags as protection.

 

I said if it comes to that it is still worth doing tests, because tests are the ONLY, I repeat, ONLY chance, to control this virus.

 

"What we really need to focus on is finding those who are sick, those who have the virus, and isolate them, find their contacts and isolate them," Mike Ryan said in an interview on the BBC's Andrew Marr Show.

https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/03/22/world/europe/22reuters-health-coronavirus-who-ryan.html

 

Don't talk nonsense! BE LIKE MIKE!

Edited March 23, 2020 by Logosone

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

11 minutes ago, rabas said:

There are research papers and case studies coming out everyday. It was known long before Trump, even the science on why.  It was even suggested back in the SARS days.

 

Can you imagine the whole world getting behind the cause to save man except anti-Trumpers?

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-shortages-excl/potential-coronavirus-treatment-touted-by-trump-already-in-shortage-pharmacists-say-idUSKBN2163JD

 

and

Quote

 

Chloroquine has not been approved for coronavirus

President Trump, at his daily press briefing, claimed that chloroquine had been approved for use in treating the coronavirus by the US Food and Drugs Administration (FDA). That is the body in charge of licensing medicines in America.

...

However, the FDA has made it clear it has not been approved for treating those infected with the Covid-19 coronavirus. "There are no FDA-approved therapeutics or drugs to treat, cure or prevent Covid-19."

However, the FDA does say that studies are under way to see if chloroquine can be effective in the treatment of Covid-19. It also says it has been directed by Mr Trump to set up a large clinical trial to investigate the drug.

 

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/51980731

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

And this from Bloomberg wire on the same subject:

 

Quote

 

Virus Drug Touted by Trump, Musk Can Kill With Just Two Gram Dose

 

The drug touted by the U.S. President Donald Trump as a possible line of treatment against the coronavirus comes with severe warnings in China and can kill in dosages as little as two grams.

 

China, where the deadly pathogen first emerged in December, recommended the decades-old malaria drug chloroquine to treat infected patients in guidelines issued in February after seeing encouraging results in clinical trials. But within days, it cautioned doctors and health officials about the drug’s lethal side effects and rolled back its usage.

 

This came after local media reported that a Wuhan Institute of Virology study found that the drug can kill an adult just dosed at twice the daily amount recommended for treatment, which is one gram.

 

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-20/virus-drug-touted-by-trump-musk-can-kill-with-just-two-grams

 

[DrTuner]

11 hours ago, Airalee said:

What about that inexpensive antimalerial I’ve been reading about....hydroxychloroquine.  Or is that not profitable enough for big pharma?  

It's a treatment, not a prevention.

[DrTuner]

2 hours ago, Logosone said:

And btw: Think of it this way, one person that is infected has the ability to indirectly infect 59,000 other people

With R0 at 3.0 after 10 iterations, each iteration taking ~5 days, in 50 days yes. It won't stop there, it'll be 3x in the next iteration again. This all started with an index case in China. Likely one person. 

 

That is why every single living human must take responsibility for others and use social distancing for as long as it takes to have a vaccine in circulation and evrybody around vaccinated. Which means over a year. Prepare and modify your behaviour.

[Logosone]

26 minutes ago, DrTuner said:

With R0 at 3.0 after 10 iterations, each iteration taking ~5 days, in 50 days yes. It won't stop there, it'll be 3x in the next iteration again. This all started with an index case in China. Likely one person. 

 

That is why every single living human must take responsibility for others and use social distancing for as long as it takes to have a vaccine in circulation and evrybody around vaccinated. Which means over a year. Prepare and modify your behaviour.

Social distancing is not a long term solution.

 

It has to come to an end at some point. When it does and the infected are not identified and isolated all you'll get is new waves of infections.

 

The only real solution is to test, identify and isolate the infected.

 

Thankfully advances are already being made with producing rapid simple tests:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/mar/18/new-rapid-covid-19-testing-kit-can-return-results-in-15-minutes-but-not-yet-available-in-australia

 

 

[DrTuner]

26 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Social distancing is not a long term solution.

No it isn't. It's what is needed now to give time for the health care system and test kit manufacturers. We need 2-3 months. Should be doable.

[Logosone]

Allright, but testing should be done. Every day. To maxium capacity.

 

We also need to use the time we have. Every day is precious.

 

Testing is the solution, coupled with isolation of the infected of course.