EVENKEEL Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 1 hour ago, heybruce said: I asked if it had all the required personnel on board. Your reply suggests that maybe it didn't. The news said the Comfort in New York was fully manned, preparations could have started before it was announced. However it happened it's good they can help out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHolmesJr Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Elon Musk has tweeted that he has surplus ventilators and will send them free with free shipping to any country that needs them. There are hundreds of people claiming to be from Ukraine, Argentina and elsewhere asking for them. Elon is really the prince of fools. At least State Dept sent help to China when things were not looking dire. Of course, this dumba$$ being a liberal from Cali...the media probably won't even notice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 3 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said: Elon Musk has tweeted that he has surplus ventilators and will send them free with free shipping to any country that needs them. There are hundreds of people claiming to be from Ukraine, Argentina and elsewhere asking for them. Elon is really the prince of fools. At least State Dept sent help to China when things were not looking dire. Of course, this dumba$$ being a liberal from Cali...the media probably won't even notice. "At least State Dept sent help to China when things were not looking dire." They were sent sometime around Feb 7. Things were already looking plenty dire. An abundance of caution was called for. Instead the US relied on an abundance of ignorance and denial on the part of its POTUS and Secretary of State. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHolmesJr Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, bristolboy said: "At least State Dept sent help to China when things were not looking dire." They were sent sometime around Feb 7. Things were already looking plenty dire. An abundance of caution was called for. Instead the US relied on an abundance of ignorance and denial on the part of its POTUS and Secretary of State. LOL Your objection is duly noted and taken under advisement. Now run along and wash your hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lannarebirth Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 11 hours ago, Sujo said: Well he has now issued a different opinion than before. He now says if there are 100,000 deaths he will have done a good job. what happened to it being under control. What happened to the excuse that he didnt want to cause a panic. Thats the problem for trump supporters that blindly follow him. He changes his mind and they have to do head spins to justify what he says. Their not justifying what he says so much as justifying their own horrendous choices. Personally, I blame the Democrats for making their choice seem worth taking. I hope the Democrats are not making the same mistake again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lannarebirth Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 11 hours ago, Cryingdick said: The CDC itself gives different opinions on any given day. They can't all be as certain as you are. Sickness and death projections may change, but avoidance protocals do not, save for civilians wearing masks, which is an unforgivable deception by an institution that should be trusted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lannarebirth Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 9 hours ago, heybruce said: I asked if it had all the required personnel on board. Your reply suggests that maybe it didn't. You don't need medical personnel to move a ship. They can meet the ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lannarebirth Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 13 minutes ago, bristolboy said: "At least State Dept sent help to China when things were not looking dire." They were sent sometime around Feb 7. Things were already looking plenty dire. An abundance of caution was called for. Instead the US relied on an abundance of ignorance and denial on the part of its POTUS and Secretary of State. February 7th is 2 weeks past the time China put a city of 11 Million people on lockdown. Someone thought things were looking dire. Too bad it wasn't us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamb00ler Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 15 minutes ago, bristolboy said: "At least State Dept sent help to China when things were not looking dire." They were sent sometime around Feb 7. Things were already looking plenty dire. An abundance of caution was called for. Instead the US relied on an abundance of ignorance and denial on the part of its POTUS and Secretary of State. 12 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said: LOL Your objection is duly noted and taken under advisement. Now run along and wash your hands. Junior, is it your belief that things have progressed to a dire situation? Since it was predicted by someone on the other team do you believe that was just a coincidence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chessman Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Would be much better if these kinds of articles gave us some pointers about what to expect if this model was accurate... This was from the 27th of March and there were only 70,000 cases and 900 deaths it cites. Now a few days later and there are 190,000 cases and more than 4000 deaths in the US. Seems a huge increase to me but maybe this fits their model. If these models came with graphs about what to expect over time then we could judge if they were accurate or probably over estimations or under estimations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lannarebirth Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 4 minutes ago, chessman said: Would be much better if these kinds of articles gave us some pointers about what to expect if this model was accurate... This was from the 27th of March and there were only 70,000 cases and 900 deaths it cites. Now a few days later and there are 190,000 cases and more than 4000 deaths in the US. Seems a huge increase to me but maybe this fits their model. If these models came with graphs about what to expect over time then we could judge if they were accurate or probably over estimations or under estimations. From a television news report I saw today, this model assumes every state is on lockdown, but that is not currently the case. 20%- 25% of the population is still not subject to lockdown orders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samran Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 10 minutes ago, chessman said: Would be much better if these kinds of articles gave us some pointers about what to expect if this model was accurate... This was from the 27th of March and there were only 70,000 cases and 900 deaths it cites. Now a few days later and there are 190,000 cases and more than 4000 deaths in the US. Seems a huge increase to me but maybe this fits their model. If these models came with graphs about what to expect over time then we could judge if they were accurate or probably over estimations or under estimations. Basic rule of thumb is that the number of cases doubles every 3 days with no intervention. Add in an average mortality rate in the US of about 1% of known cases to date and you start to get a picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaanbiker Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 (edited) How infectious is Covid 19? Most of you have got plenty of time. There's currently a free Covid 19 online course running where you can easily join in. One of the videos, very informative. Always updated. https://www.futurelearn.com/courses/covid19-novel-coronavirus I hope that it's allowed to post it? Mods, please feel free to delete it, should it be against any forum rules I do not know. Thank you. Howinfectiousisthevirus.mp4 Edited April 1, 2020 by Isaanbiker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaanbiker Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 How was the virus found? A very informative video. How was the virus found.mp4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaanbiker Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Overview of Coronavirus and Covid 19 Corona virus Covid 19.mp4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skallywag Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 On 3/27/2020 at 8:01 AM, webfact said: The coronavirus causes a respiratory illness that in a minority of severe cases ravages the lungs and can lead to death. Minority of "severe" cases lead to death. All good, the young can go back to work. Elderly and those with pre-existing stay isolated. Problem solved. Time to move on. Life is precious, move forward and sustain the economy safely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chessman Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 39 minutes ago, samran said: Basic rule of thumb is that the number of cases doubles every 3 days with no intervention. Add in an average mortality rate in the US of about 1% of known cases to date and you start to get a picture Yes, but with these models they are obviously making more complex predictions. That's why it would be good if they included pointers to how they expect the numbers to rise. Then we could judge better who was producing the more accurate models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lannarebirth Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 28 minutes ago, Skallywag said: Minority of "severe" cases lead to death. All good, the young can go back to work. Elderly and those with pre-existing stay isolated. Problem solved. Time to move on. Life is precious, move forward and sustain the economy safely. I saw a video yesterday that claimed between 70% and 84% of severe cases (those requiring ventilators), end in death of the patient. Granted, this is not an ICU Doc., but his sources seem sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 33 minutes ago, Skallywag said: Minority of "severe" cases lead to death. All good, the young can go back to work. Elderly and those with pre-existing stay isolated. Problem solved. Time to move on. Life is precious, move forward and sustain the economy safely. No, that is not the way out of this mess. Quote There’s no question the United States missed the opportunity to get ahead of the novel coronavirus. But the window for making important decisions hasn’t closed. The choices we and our leaders make now will have an enormous impact on how soon case numbers start to go down, how long the economy remains shut down and how many Americans will have to bury a loved one because of covid-19. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/bill-gates-heres-how-to-make-up-for-lost-time-on-covid-19/2020/03/31/ab5c3cf2-738c-11ea-85cb-8670579b863d_story.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logosone Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 It’s a great sign that the administration made deals this week with at least two companies to prepare for vaccine manufacturing. I hope more deals will follow. Okay, thanks Bill, so Trump is on it and doing what needs to be done. That's excellent news. If we do everything right, we could have one in less than 18 months — about the fastest a vaccine has ever been developed. But creating a vaccine is only half the battle. To protect Americans and people around the world, we’ll need to manufacture billions of doses. Okay, so herd immunity it is Bill. That's a fair point, after the vaccine is found, mass production of the vaccine will take considerable time. And that's assuming it'll work 100% of the time, not 50% of the time like the swine flu vaccine. Even the US can not possible defeat this virus. Despite the very laudable efforts of Mr Trump, who's certainly handling it better than the bumbling Boris Johnson or the invisible Angela Merkel. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamb00ler Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Skallywag said: Minority of "severe" cases lead to death. All good, the young can go back to work. Elderly and those with pre-existing stay isolated. Problem solved. Time to move on. Life is precious, move forward and sustain the economy safely. Here's an example of how unleashing the young may work out: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/spring-breakers-coroanvirus-28-university-of-texas-students-positive-for-covid-19-travel-to-cabo-san-lucas-mexico/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 Some troll posts and replies have been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skallywag Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, Jingthing said: No, that is not the way out of this mess. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/bill-gates-heres-how-to-make-up-for-lost-time-on-covid-19/2020/03/31/ab5c3cf2-738c-11ea-85cb-8670579b863d_story.html Am speaking about Thailand. Not the U.S. Sweden and the Netherlands are already practicing this. Agree, would not work in overdeveloped overpopulated countries who have uncontrolled outbreaks presently or on the horizon Edited April 2, 2020 by Skallywag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skallywag Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 7 hours ago, gamb00ler said: Here's an example of how unleashing the young may work out: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/spring-breakers-coroanvirus-28-university-of-texas-students-positive-for-covid-19-travel-to-cabo-san-lucas-mexico/ Said go back to work, not travel and have parties. Was referring to Thailand, not the overdeveloped, overindulgent, uncontrolled 330 million in the U.S. Numbers of infections are already out of control. there, they need all sorts of help - even with more beds / hospital space, who is going to staff the facilities? They dont know yet Thailand could follow Sweden and the Netherlands and have young working adults go back to their jobs. Elderly and pre-existing stay isolated. Even after 2-3 months isolation, many elderly and pre-existing condition people will have to be very wary when going out in public. Flattening the curve is necessary for countries being overwhelmed at their health care facilities. This is not the case in Thailand, or Malaysia, or Singapore, etc.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 6 minutes ago, Skallywag said: Said go back to work, not travel and have parties. Was referring to Thailand, not the overdeveloped, overindulgent, uncontrolled 330 million in the U.S. Numbers of infections are already out of control. there, they need all sorts of help - even with more beds / hospital space, who is going to staff the facilities? They dont know yet Thailand could follow Sweden and the Netherlands and have young working adults go back to their jobs. Elderly and pre-existing stay isolated. Even after 2-3 months isolation, many elderly and pre-existing condition people will have to be very wary when going out in public. Flattening the curve is necessary for countries being overwhelmed at their health care facilities. This is not the case in Thailand, or Malaysia, or Singapore, etc.. Not yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 14 minutes ago, Skallywag said: Am speaking about Thailand. Not the U.S. Sweden and the Netherlands are already practicing this. Agree, would not work in overdeveloped overpopulated countries who have uncontrolled outbreaks presently or on the horizon You realize there is a separate forum for Thailand news, don't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skallywag Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 8 hours ago, lannarebirth said: I saw a video yesterday that claimed between 70% and 84% of severe cases (those requiring ventilators), end in death of the patient. Granted, this is not an ICU Doc., but his sources seem sound. Yes majority of "severe" cases result in death. The number of "severe" cases is small and 95% of those are elderly and those with pre-existing. I posted on another thread, that even in New York City, with 38,000 cases at the time, less than 2400 people were on respirators/ventilators. From the New York Times on 3-30-2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skallywag Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 1 minute ago, heybruce said: You realize there is a separate forum for Thailand news, don't you? Sorry - went rogue again. You are correct, this is a "World News" topic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtls2005 Posted April 18, 2020 Share Posted April 18, 2020 This University of Washington, Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation page is updated frequently. https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america Now 60,308 COVID-19 deaths projected by August 4, 2020. Currently at 37,158 as of 18 April 2020. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries There's a new dashboard on the Johns Hopkins site: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html More detail tabs on the top and bottom of the main dashboard, including a U.S. map down to the county level. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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