PM Johnson moved to intensive care as COVID-19 symptoms worsen

[Tug]

Well I’m not a Fan of the guy that beeing said I hope for a full and speedy recovery good luck Boris god speed on a full recovery 

[Solinvictus]

All of the Brits that politically adhere to PM Johnson's downplay of the virus might might want to review their level of gullibility when it comes to the government...

 

Or is just a social group to fit too? NHS - ????????

 

The virus is real. It's times like these we can really see the true face of those in public offices.

[metisdead]

An off topic post trolling about the significance of another member's avatar has been removed. 

[Forethat]

3 minutes ago, Solinvictus said:

All of the Brits that politically adhere to PM Johnson's downplay of the virus might might want to review their level of gullibility when it comes to the government...

 

Or is just a social group to fit too? NHS - ????????

 

The virus is real. It's times like these we can really see the true face of those in public offices.

I think most Brits will finally realise what is going on. The past weekend the parks were filled with people not giving a flying toss about the virus. This has the potential to turn into an existential issue, but I really hope Boris recovers.

[nauseus]

Please get well soon, Boris.  

[bkk6060]

So many selfish people arguing on here trying to better one another.

Typical and disgusting.

Your PM is very sick. Why don't you say a few prayers for the guy I think he and his family needs your support, not pettiness..

[Chivas]

I'm wondering how Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe is reacting to Johnsons plight sitting in her Iranian cell

[colinneil]

Whether Boris, or any other person, this virus is killing too many people, time to stop all this silly point scoring nonsense.

Just for once please try pulling together.

Get well soon Boris, your country needs you.

[Forethat]

Just to give you some stats in order to provide a view on the typical oxygen support for Covid-19 patients.

Out of ALL patients admitted to hospital, 100% have some level of pneumonia, typically bilateral. 66% of all patients receive oxygen via a cannula (nasal). 24% receive oxygen via a non invasive method (CPAP). 5% of admitted patients will be intubated and put on a ventilator.

 

According to the information that has been released, Boris currently belong to the 24% that receives oxygen via a mask (CPAP).

[samran]

3 hours ago, daveAustin said:

Hopefully precautionary. All the best, Boris. 

 Nothing precautionary about it. You only go into ICU if your life is in danger. 
 

Hope he makes it through. 

[bannork]

According to James Gallagher: Not every patient in intensive care is ventilated, but around two-thirds are within 24 hours of admission with Covid-19.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-52192604

[Forethat]

3 minutes ago, samran said:

 Nothing precautionary about it. You only go into ICU if your life is in danger. 

Incorrect. The actual criteria for referral to ICU doesn't have anything to do with whether your life is in danger. In fact, you should be referred to ICU well before that.

[mfd101]

For those who think that being age 55 means he'll be fine ...

 

It is not one's age that dictates the likely outcome. What counts is the underlying health issues if any, issues that tend to increase with age (blood pressure, diabetes, heart disease, lung problems, overweight). Even then, it's a matter of 'more' or 'less' likely. There is no certainty in any of this, for anyone. 

[bristolboy]

2 minutes ago, mfd101 said:

For those who think that being age 55 means he'll be fine ...

 

It is not one's age that dictates the likely outcome. What counts is the underlying health issues if any, issues that tend to increase with age (blood pressure, diabetes, heart disease, lung problems, overweight). Even then, it's a matter of 'more' or 'less' likely. There is no certainty in any of this, for anyone. 

Actually, age is the overriding factor in deaths. But that risk is compounded by various pre-existing conditions and lessened by the lack of them:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/

[Forethat]

11 minutes ago, bannork said:

According to James Gallagher: Not every patient in intensive care is ventilated, but around two-thirds are within 24 hours of admission with Covid-19.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-52192604

There are a couple of papers available. I would assume James Gallagher is referring to the one from Holborn which shows that 98 of 165 patients admitted to ICU were ventilated. I haven't read that one myself, so if you have a link I'd be grateful.

Edited April 7, 2020 by Forethat

[fishtank]

Personally I cannot stand the bloke and thought he was a disaster for the country.

Hope he makes it though.

 

[metisdead]

Some bickering posts have been removed. 

[bristolboy]

 

Coronavirus: new figures on intensive care deaths revealed

Data from the Intensive Care National Audit and Research Centre (ICNARC) showed that of 165 patients treated in critical care in England, Wales and Northern Ireland since the end of February, 79 died, while 86 survived and were discharged. The figures were taken from an audit of 775 people who have been or are in critical care with the disease, across 285 intensive care units. The remaining 610 patients continue to receive intensive care.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/mar/28/coronavirus-intensive-care-uk-patients-50-per-cent-survival-rate

 

 

 

 

 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8181293/NHS-data-shows-66-coronavirus-patients-hooked-ventilators-die.html

[Forethat]

14 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

 

Coronavirus: new figures on intensive care deaths revealed

Data from the Intensive Care National Audit and Research Centre (ICNARC) showed that of 165 patients treated in critical care in England, Wales and Northern Ireland since the end of February, 79 died, while 86 survived and were discharged. The figures were taken from an audit of 775 people who have been or are in critical care with the disease, across 285 intensive care units. The remaining 610 patients continue to receive intensive care.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/mar/28/coronavirus-intensive-care-uk-patients-50-per-cent-survival-rate

 

 

 

 

 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8181293/NHS-data-shows-66-coronavirus-patients-hooked-ventilators-die.html

There is a newer report available from ICNARC (Holborn).

https://www.icnarc.org/DataServices/Attachments/Download/76a7364b-4b76-ea11-9124-00505601089b

 

 

THIS is an interesting table:

Edited April 7, 2020 by Forethat

[ThailandRyan]

4 minutes ago, sharecropper said:

This stupid moron is now wasting taxpayers' money in a valuable ICU bed, he's wasting doctors' valuable time and NHS resources and all for what? So he could show off shaking hands with people against his own goverment's advice a few weeks ago in medical facilities, Number 10 and TV studios. He deserves everything he's got. If a Thai PM did this you'd all (rightly) be up in arms about their own craven stupidity.

So in your eyes he should not be given treatment and should die.  Kind of harsh do you not think.  If thats the case then all the people who were at Lumpini Stadium should not be given treatment, or the family members of anyone who was asymptomatic but now have the virus. T

 

The Hippocratic Oath, taken by Doctors worldwide, is an oath of ethics. It is one of the most widely known of Greek medical texts. In its original form, it requires a new physician to swear, by a number of healing gods, to uphold specific ethical standards. The oath is the earliest expression of medical ethics in the Western world, establishing several principles of medical ethics which remain of paramount significance today. These include the principles of medical confidentiality and non-maleficence. As the seminal articulation of certain principles that continue to guide and inform medical practice, the ancient text is of more than historic and symbolic value. Swearing a modified form of the oath remains a rite of passage for medical graduates in many countries.

 

I guess in your eyes, unless you are 100% sinless, and have never committed any misdeeds then that is the one who should receive treatment, but that's not what the medical field was founded upon.

[ThailandRyan]

6 minutes ago, Forethat said:

There is a newer report available from ICNARC (Holborn).

https://www.icnarc.org/DataServices/Attachments/Download/76a7364b-4b76-ea11-9124-00505601089b

 

 

THIS is an interesting table:

Puts everything into perspective that this is not just a virus that kills old folks.  It is a virus that is non gender specific, age specific, and is an equal opportunity virus which anyone at anytime can catch and die from.  Thank you for sharing this Chart, and the link to 16 pages of very interesting information.

[bristolboy]

1 minute ago, ThailandRyan said:

So in your eyes he should not be given treatment and should die.  Kind of harsh do you not think.  If thats the case then all the people who were at Lumpini Stadium should not be given treatment, or the family members of anyone who was asymptomatic but now have the virus. T

 

The Hippocratic Oath, taken by Doctors worldwide, is an oath of ethics. It is one of the most widely known of Greek medical texts. In its original form, it requires a new physician to swear, by a number of healing gods, to uphold specific ethical standards. The oath is the earliest expression of medical ethics in the Western world, establishing several principles of medical ethics which remain of paramount significance today. These include the principles of medical confidentiality and non-maleficence. As the seminal articulation of certain principles that continue to guide and inform medical practice, the ancient text is of more than historic and symbolic value. Swearing a modified form of the oath remains a rite of passage for medical graduates in many countries.

 

I guess in your eyes, unless you are 100% sinless, and have never committed any misdeeds then that is the one who should receive treatment, but that's not what the medical field was founded upon.

Nice try at deflectin. It's true that sharecropper's comments were overly harsh. But clearly you are disregarding the crucial point. Despite the advice given by the experts, advice he had particular access to, he chose to go against their recommendations. Not only did he endanger himself, but by publicizing his foolish behavior, he undoubtedly encouraged partisans of himself to do likewise. How many additional people have endangered themselves because of his performance? He deserves to be condemned for his conduct. He does not deserve to die.

[samran]

14 minutes ago, sharecropper said:

This stupid moron is now wasting taxpayers' money in a valuable ICU bed, he's wasting doctors' valuable time and NHS resources and all for what?

Cause he’s a british citizen entitled to use the NHS, regardless of what circumstance. 
 

That’s the whole point of it. 
 

If you follow your logic through, then very few people would be able to use it as any bad decision in their life (diet, lack of excercise, smoking etc) could be used an excuse to not allow access. 
 

If you want that, then you can move to the US where they can out and out refuse to cover you or charge you such high premiums insurance becomes prohibitive. 

[Forethat]

16 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Puts everything into perspective that this is not just a virus that kills old folks.  It is a virus that is non gender specific, age specific, and is an equal opportunity virus which anyone at anytime can catch and die from.  

Totally. That is the scary bit - a lot of people STILL haven't grasped what's going on.

 

There are some stats that are being pumped out of Italy that I find deeply unhelpful. I watch the Italian news every day and the information suggest that almost ALL people that have died are old. But that's specific to Italy and they have one of the oldest populations in the world. That's why a majority of dead people in Italy are old. Average age amongst dead at the moment is 78 for men and 82 for women. 97,2% had at least ONE underlying health issue. 51,3% had at least THREE underlying health issues.

 

The numbers will be different in the UK.

Edited April 7, 2020 by Forethat

[bristolboy]

3 minutes ago, Forethat said:

Totally. That is the scary bit - a lot of people STILL haven't grasped what's going on.

 

There are some stats that are being pumped out of Italy that I find deeply unhelpful. I watch the Italien news every day and the information suggest that almost ALL people that will die are old. But that's specific to Italy and they have one of the oldest populations in the world. That's why a majority of dead people in Italy are old. Average age amongst dead at the moment is 78 for men and 82 for women. 97,2% had at least ONE underlying health issue. 51,3% had at least THREE underlying health issues.

 

The numbers will be different in the UK.

France's median age is 6 years less than Italy's but 79% of the deaths were of people aged 75 and older.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1102881/infections-coronavirus-age-france/

[faraday]

 

 

Can some of us please stop trying to be right, & less combative.

 

Please note my use of italics.

Edited April 7, 2020 by faraday

[webfact]

UK's Johnson fights worsening coronavirus symptoms in intensive care

By Paul Sandle and Costas Pitas

 

FILE PHOTO: British Prime Minister Boris Johnson delivers a joint statement with French President Emmanuel Macron (not seen) before a meeting on Brexit at the Elysee Palace in Paris, France, August 22, 2019. REUTERS/Gonzalo Fuentes/File Photo

 

LONDON (Reuters) - British Prime Minister Boris Johnson was being treated for worsening coronavirus symptoms in an intensive care unit on Tuesday, with his foreign minister deputizing for him as the nation tackles the COVID-19 crisis.

 

Johnson, 55, was admitted to St Thomas' Hospital in central London late on Sunday after suffering persistent coronavirus symptoms, including a high temperature, for more than 10 days.

 

His condition rapidly deteriorated over the next 24 hours, and he was moved to an intensive care unit - where the most serious cases are treated. Although he had received oxygen, his office said he was still conscious.

 

Downing Street said the move to intensive care was "a precaution should he require ventilation to aid his recovery".

 

Britain has no formal succession plan should a prime minister become incapacitated.

 

"The PM has asked Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab, who is the First Secretary of State, to deputise for him where necessary," Downing Street said.

 

Just hours earlier, Johnson's office said he was in good spirits and Raab had told a news conference that the prime minister was still running the government.

 

The pound edged lower against the dollar and the euro in Asia on Tuesday, trading at $1.2234 following a 0.3% decline on Monday.

 

BUSINESS WILL CONTINUE

"The government's business will continue," a somber Raab, 46, told reporters, saying Johnson was in the safe hands of a brilliant medical team.

 

"The focus of the government will continue to be on making sure that the prime minister's direction, all the plans for making sure that we can defeat coronavirus and can pull the country through this challenge, will be taken forward."

 

Britain has some important decisions to make in its fight against the coronavirus outbreak. The official death toll in the United Kingdom currently stands at 5,373, and last week the health minister said the deadliest peak for deaths was projected to be Easter Sunday, April 12.

 

The country is in a state of virtual lockdown, a situation due to be reviewed early next week, and some ministers have suggested it might need to be extended because some people were flouting the strict rules.

 

There have also been calls for ministers to detail what the exit plans were from the shutdown, which has hammered the world's fifth-biggest economy after the government ordered restaurants, bars, and nearly all shops to close and told people to stay at home to curb the spread of the virus.

 

"EXTREMELY SICK"

Johnson tested positive for the virus on March 26, the first leader of a major power to announce that he had tested positive for COVID-19.

 

After 10 days of isolation in an apartment at Downing Street, he was still fighting the virus on Sunday evening with a high temperature and persistent cough, prompting his admission to hospital. He was last seen in a video message posted on Twitter on Friday when he looked weary.

 

"There is no doubt this turn of events means Boris Johnson is extremely sick," said Derek Hill, a professor of medical imaging at University College London (UCL).

 

Buckingham Palace said Queen Elizabeth had been kept informed by Downing Street and U.S. President Donald Trump said all Americans were praying for his recovery.

 

"He's been really something very special - strong, resolute, doesn't quit, doesn't give up," Trump told a news briefing, adding he had asked two pharmaceutical firms developing potential COVID-19 therapies to get in touch with the British government to offer their services.

 

"We've contacted all of Boris' doctors and we'll see what is going to take place," he said. "But they are ready to go."

 

Johnson, who is not a smoker, said recently that he wanted to lose weight. He plays tennis and while mayor of London used to cycle around the capital.

 

The face of the 2016 Brexit campaign, he won a resounding election victory in December before leading the United Kingdom out of the European Union on Jan. 31.

 

He faced criticism for initially approving a much more modest response to the new coronavirus outbreak than other European leaders, saying on March 3 that he had been shaking hands with coronavirus patients.

 

He changed tack when scientific projections showed a quarter of a million people could die in the United Kingdom and in the last few weeks the virus has penetrated the British government.

 

Johnson and his health minister tested positive last month and chief medical adviser Chris Whitty self-isolated. Johnson's pregnant 32-year-old fiancée, Carrie Symonds, also had symptoms but said on Saturday she was feeling better.

 

(Reporting by Paul Sandle and Costas Pitas; writing by Michael Holden; editing by Richard Pullin)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2020-04-07

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[donnacha]

1 minute ago, webfact said:

Downing Street said the move to intensive care was "a precaution should he require ventilation to aid his recovery".

Spin, spin, spin.

They probably spent an hour working out that sentence, while mopping the cold sweat from their brows.

 

[Logosone]

donnacha called it right from the minute it was announced he was admitted to hospital.

 

Congratulations on an excellent analysis which was confirmed only a day later by the news.

 

Very impressive analytic insight.

[Forethat]

17 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

France's median age is 6 years less than Italy's but 79% of the deaths were of people aged 75 and older.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1102881/infections-coronavirus-age-france/

Those numbers are actually very similar to the Italian. 1,2% of dead in Italy are below 50 compared to 2% in France. 

 

23% of the population in Italy over 65 years.

20% of the population in France over 65 years.

18% of the population in the UK over 65 years.