In grim milestone, United States logs world's highest coronavirus death toll

[Crazy Alex]

4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Yes but the truth of what 45 did and didn't do is available to all that care to learn.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/11/us/politics/coronavirus-trump-response.html?utm_source=digg

 

 

 

Yes, because we can count on the New York Times to give a full and accurate account of what Trump.... hell, anything about Trump, you can trust them to tell the truth. Said no one. EVER.

[Crazy Alex]

26 minutes ago, candide said:

The motivation to attend religious ceremonies is higher when there are major events. I guess that if instead of Easter, it would be Aid el Fikr, there would be warnings for Muslims.

In addition, not all areas have a significant numbers of Muslim inhabitants, while there are plenty of Christians e everywhere in the US.

Doesn't matter. Government targeting a specific religion for any reason is unconstitutional. There are still plenty of religions, other than Christian, who attend services.

 

Plus, as you know, if any American police agency said they were going to get tough on Muslims going to their mosques, there would be screeching from the leftist media at the highest possible volume. Think 12 on a Marshall amp.

Edited April 12, 2020 by Crazy Alex

[rabas]

21 minutes ago, candide said:

Ok, it makes sense. 

Here's a graph showing the parallel EU6 group and US. Slopes can be compared because the populations are the same. Case wise there’s little difference except the 6 day offset. You need to zoom, it's from a big screen.

[fruitman]

13 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The US had its first case on exactly the same day as did S.Korea.

 

The S. Korean government responded immediately with nation wide, centrally directed policies that worked.

 

The head of the US Government spent the following 6 weeks, downplaying the risk, waffling about hoaxes, telling lies, playing golf, blaming others and making baseless predictions.

 

The US President has still not directed a nation wide response. 

 

America and Americans are paying the tragic price of Trump’s inability to do his job.

 

 

As Trump has already said: He was misinformed by the WHO....

[KhaoNiaw]

4 minutes ago, fruitman said:

As Trump has already said: He was misinformed by the WHO....

And the mighty US relies on information and intelligence from the WHO. What a crock!

[Fairynuff]

1 hour ago, moontang said:

and always playing the race card from the bottom of the deck...attack the Christians for being against the murder of the unborn, but never ever a word about what goes on at the local mosque.

Pointless trying to engage with the blind

[candide]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Yes but the truth of what 45 did and didn't do is available to all that care to learn.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/11/us/politics/coronavirus-trump-response.html?utm_source=digg

 

 

 

And what he said!

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/timeline-president-donald-trump-changing-statements-on-coronavirus/

[Fairynuff]

1 hour ago, candide said:

It's a lie from Trump. You will not be able to provide any quote mentioning the CHINA travel ban to support this debunked claim.

When did truth and reality ever matter to the rabid right?

[Fairynuff]

1 hour ago, candide said:

In case you did not notice, Muslims don't celebrate Easter.....

Why let facts get in the way of a good bit of Muslim bashing 

[Travis179]

The level of Trump bashing on this forum by its inebriated, ignorant members, makes the majority of these threads quite unreadable. Following TV now solely for the headline articles.

[Fairynuff]

1 hour ago, Crazy Alex said:

Doesn't matter. Government targeting a specific religion for any reason is unconstitutional. There are still plenty of religions, other than Christian, who attend services.

 

Plus, as you know, if any American police agency said they were going to get tough on Muslims going to their mosques, there would be screeching from the leftist media at the highest possible volume. Think 12 on a Marshall amp.

Whatever it is the right don’t like, blame it on the left. Easy way out.

[candide]

1 hour ago, Crazy Alex said:

Doesn't matter. Government targeting a specific religion for any reason is unconstitutional. There are still plenty of religions, other than Christian, who attend services.

 

Plus, as you know, if any American police agency said they were going to get tough on Muslims going to their mosques, there would be screeching from the leftist media at the highest possible volume. Think 12 on a Marshall amp.

Is it unconstitutional to target specific events?

[Fairynuff]

5 minutes ago, Travis179 said:

The level of Trump bashing on this forum by its inebriated, ignorant members, makes the majority of these threads quite unreadable. Following TV now solely for the headline articles.

Trump bashing pales into insignificance compared to Muslim bashing. Ironic that such hatred comes from white bigots living in Asia 

[torturedsole]

How is the death rate compiled on a daily basis?  I'd be interested to know.  

[sucit]

12 hours ago, robblok said:

Yes its a bit stupid / sensationalism that they don't take into account how huge the population is. Italy has an almost similar amount of deaths  at a far smaller population. Absolute numbers are fun but sometomes percentages tell a lot more. 

NY alone has more cases than any country. Slice up and manipulate the numbers all you want,  but you can't avoid that glaring stat. 

[candide]

1 hour ago, Crazy Alex said:

Doesn't matter. Government targeting a specific religion for any reason is unconstitutional. There are still plenty of religions, other than Christian, who attend services.

 

Plus, as you know, if any American police agency said they were going to get tough on Muslims going to their mosques, there would be screeching from the leftist media at the highest possible volume. Think 12 on a Marshall amp.

Ok, they should have formulated it in this way:

" we warn Christians, Muslims, Buddhists and zoophiles not to attend Easter religious services and celebrations"

[Odysseus123]

9 minutes ago, candide said:

Ok, they should have formulated it in this way:

" we warn Christians, Muslims, Buddhists and zoophiles not to attend Easter religious services and celebrations"

No-one has targeted the Pastifarians as yet to' it is perfectly obvious that mass spaghetti making could be a potent factor in the spread of the Big Corona.????

 

Watch out for the relevant YouTube videos to appear next week.????‍♂️

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, Travis179 said:

The level of Trump bashing on this forum by its inebriated, ignorant members, makes the majority of these threads quite unreadable. Following TV now solely for the headline articles.

Yeah. He's such a pathetic powerless victim. We must only sing the stable genius's praises. I find it funny that his fans seem to feed into his toxic narcissism. 

[Crazy Alex]

1 hour ago, Fairynuff said:

Why let facts get in the way of a good bit of Muslim bashing 

Specifically, who has bashed Muslims?

[Crazy Alex]

1 hour ago, candide said:

Ok, they should have formulated it in this way:

" we warn Christians, Muslims, Buddhists and zoophiles not to attend Easter religious services and celebrations"

No. A Constitutional statement would have been to warn about any religious or social gatherings rather than just target Christians. Obviously, you know this and are being silly. And that is OK. But let's also keep it real, yes?

[Crazy Alex]

1 hour ago, candide said:

Is it unconstitutional to target specific events?

Yes, when it is done on the basis of religion. Do Muslims, Jews and other religious people attend services on Easter weekend?

[Crazy Alex]

1 hour ago, candide said:

And what he said!

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/timeline-president-donald-trump-changing-statements-on-coronavirus/

In January, Dr. Fauci said coronavirus was of low risk to Americans. Then he announced death projections of 100,000 to 200,000! Now he's announcing death projections of only 60,000. Fauci has changed what he's said about the virus!

 

See how silly this is getting?

[riclag]

2 hours ago, fruitman said:

As Trump has already said: He was misinformed by the WHO....

An organization (Trump administration) are only successful when they have a good coaching staff(fauci,CDC) and a game plan!

 

In the beginning  Fauci and the cdc were using the WHO advice and expertise from a uncooperative and not forth coming(in the beginning) Chinese Gov.Note, the WHO director  was recommending to all countries to continue travel and trade with no restrictions. on January 30 

On January 12 the WHO recommended to all countries, no travel restrictions.

Jan 14, no clear evidence, human to human spread

Jan 31,china travel restrictions

Feb 2. Politico reports 

"World Health Organization chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said Tuesday that widespread travel bans and restrictions weren’t needed to stop the outbreak and could "have the effect of increasing fear and stigma, with little public health benefit." Union leaders separately called for a coordinated government response and warned authorities against profiling people of Asian descent while addressing the threat".

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/04/coronavirus-quaratine-travel-110750

 

 fauci:"On Jan. 21, he emphasized that it was unclear whether the virus could spread from person to person: “Is it a continual spread? Is it sustained? We're not quite sure yet.” A University of Minnesota expert offered that “this is one of those inflection moments in outbreak history where we have enough information to be very concerned, but not enough information to say this is going to be an international crisis.”

 

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/04/03/virus_experts_early_statements_belie_prescient_portrayal_142845.html

https://www.who.int/csr/don/12-january-2020-novel-coronavirus-china/en/

 

People who spew the POTUS as acting to late is nonsense, to put it lightly

 

 

Edited April 12, 2020 by riclag

[candide]

33 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Yes, when it is done on the basis of religion. Do Muslims, Jews and other religious people attend services on Easter weekend?

Wait wait! I did not pay attention to it before, but what are the proofs of your claims that Christians have been unfairly targeted. What are your sources? Quotes of official statement? Or is it the usual Trumper's BS?

 

[JimmyTheMook]

48 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

In January, Dr. Fauci said coronavirus was of low risk to Americans. Then he announced death projections of 100,000 to 200,000! Now he's announcing death projections of only 60,000. Fauci has changed what he's said about the virus!

 

See how silly this is getting?

 

It's called incompetence and being poorly prepared.

 

[candide]

46 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

In January, Dr. Fauci said coronavirus was of low risk to Americans. Then he announced death projections of 100,000 to 200,000! Now he's announcing death projections of only 60,000. Fauci has changed what he's said about the virus!

 

See how silly this is getting?

When Fauci said there was currently low risk, he also said health authorities needed to prepare for the worst. He also became more precise in February, as additional information was available, while Trump went on talking B.S..

[candide]

46 minutes ago, riclag said:

An organization (Trump administration) are only successful when they have a good coaching staff(fauci,CDC) and a game plan!

 

In the beginning  Fauci and the cdc were using the WHO advice and expertise from a uncooperative and not forth coming(in the beginning) Chinese Gov.Note, the WHO director  was recommending to all countries to continue travel and trade with no restrictions. on January 30 

On January 12 the WHO recommended to all countries, no travel restrictions.

Jan 14, no clear evidence, human to human spread

Jan 31,china travel restrictions

Feb 2. Politico reports 

"World Health Organization chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said Tuesday that widespread travel bans and restrictions weren’t needed to stop the outbreak and could "have the effect of increasing fear and stigma, with little public health benefit." Union leaders separately called for a coordinated government response and warned authorities against profiling people of Asian descent while addressing the threat".

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/04/coronavirus-quaratine-travel-110750

 

 fauci:"On Jan. 21, he emphasized that it was unclear whether the virus could spread from person to person: “Is it a continual spread? Is it sustained? We're not quite sure yet.” A University of Minnesota expert offered that “this is one of those inflection moments in outbreak history where we have enough information to be very concerned, but not enough information to say this is going to be an international crisis.”

 

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/04/03/virus_experts_early_statements_belie_prescient_portrayal_142845.html

https://www.who.int/csr/don/12-january-2020-novel-coronavirus-china/en/

 

People who spew the POTUS as acting to late is nonsense, to put it lightly

 

 

The difference between Fauci and Trump is that Fauci's position evolved over time according to the information available while Trump went on talking the same BS until as late as mid March.

Edited April 12, 2020 by candide

[Gweiloman]

3 hours ago, Travis179 said:

The level of Trump bashing on this forum by its inebriated, ignorant members, makes the majority of these threads quite unreadable. Following TV now solely for the headline articles.

 

2 hours ago, Fairynuff said:

Trump bashing pales into insignificance compared to Muslim bashing. Ironic that such hatred comes from white bigots living in Asia 

Both of which can’t hold a candle to Thai bashing lol

[Gweiloman]

1 hour ago, Crazy Alex said:

In January, Dr. Fauci said coronavirus was of low risk to Americans. Then he announced death projections of 100,000 to 200,000! Now he's announcing death projections of only 60,000. Fauci has changed what he's said about the virus!

 

See how silly this is getting?

In January, Dr. Fauci was toeing the line as that was what Trump wanted to hear and there was very little information available. Then, as damage control, Trump forced Fauci and Birx to declare impossibly high figures so that he can claim victory later when there are less deaths. Only a fool or a Trump supporter (or maybe they are one and the same) cannot or will not see this smoke screen. 

[Stargeezr]

If people will not wear masks and gloves when they are out in public, shopping, getting

their supplies, and such, the USA and Canada will continue to have new cases spring up, as the masks may not protect the wearers, but those around them.

 I do hope people in these two countries get serious, or North America will otherwise have the most deaths in the world, especially in the senior centres, where it already is a completely horrible tragidy.

Geezer

Edited April 12, 2020 by Stargrazer9889
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