The downward trend continues, good news. Let's just hope that Songkran doesn't spoil everything.

40 minutes ago, jonclark said:

Amazing numbers.. Maybe we can all go back to work. 33 sick people and the country grinds to a halt. The medicine seems more dangerous than the disease based in these numbers. However we must consider the 32'000 people under investigation. Those who have symptoms but have not been tested (one assumes) . Hmmm?? 

 

Does anyone know if PUI are tested for Covid?? 

Two weeks of no new cases is the minimum ideal standard. Look at Wuhan and see how long that was the case. I think you will find that it was about that number and that of course depends on extensive testing too.

20 minutes ago, steven100 said:

Yes, Khun Prayut acted quickly to minimize the spread of the virus and the numbers are starting to prove that theory. 

 

Just for context what you stated is just a theory.. Just like every other armchair TVF post. Nothing more, nothing less. And most theories are usually wrong. 

 

Does anyone know if the 32,000 (ministry of public health website data 12th April 2020) People Under Investigation (PUI) are actually tested for covid 19?

 

 

18 minutes ago, Pravda said:

I think I know the reason why there are so many deaths in UK US and Spain.

 

US and Spain - a country dependent on antidepressants. Spain especially is a basket case in that regard.

 

UK - simply too many alcoholics.

The US and Europe have a high percentage of elderly (up to 20%), high rates of obesity and chronic diseases, high smoking rates, and generally live in high density areas. Not to mention many of those areas are generally still cool to cold. I'm not surprised at the high rates of infection there. Very fel people wore masks or took many precautions at the staet of the outbreak there. 

The new infection and death rate stats depends on the sources and accuracy of the reports - neither of which have been quantified by the government. For all we know they could have been collated from the PM's Phitsanulok Mansion estate, Government house, or Bangkok Hospital Sukhumvit... 

 

Given the expense of testing, I doubt many Thais  - or foreigners  - would seek anything other than OTC herbal remedies and painkillers. 

 

 

5 minutes ago, DavisH said:

Where?

There is a thread everyday you can do your own leg work

A PR firm has been hired and caught blatantly lying about the amounts of people being tested in Thailand. 

 

https://www.thaienquirer.com/11154/high-priced-public-strategy-firm-once-hired-by-paul-manafort-defends-thai-governments-coronavirus-response/

 

What is interesting is the Thai Government has denied hiring them, so who would spend the money?

 

I wonder if the PR lackeys post here? I can think of a few posters who are on every thread with the same nonsense giving misdirection and unproven facts about the outbreak...

People talking about hospitals being full

A lot of people are being sent home ill and not tested

They then go back to hospital as their health deteriorats and would die very quickly....without ventilation

Not many ventilators or CPAP machines in Thailand

A person who died from the scenario above would not count as a COVID death as no patients are tested post mortem

5 minutes ago, DavisH said:

The US and Europe have a high percentage of elderly (up to 20%), high rates of obesity and chronic diseases, high smoking rates, and generally live in high density areas. Not to mention many of those areas are generally still cool to cold. I'm not surprised at the high rates of infection there. Very fel people wore masks or took many precautions at the staet of the outbreak there. 

Thai rates of chronic diseases are higher than in the West.

 

I would bet that Thais smoke more too. 

18 minutes ago, Canuck1966 said:

Can you spell sycophant?

They have done nothing to handle this well

Let Chinese flights come in for weeks afterwards

Closed down BKK and Pattaya and moved all the workers back to their home villages in rammed buses in a 48 hr period

Caused various other bottlenecks etc etc 

 

Don't forget dragging their feet on implementing a visa extension program, and thereby creating huge throngs of people at Immigration offices. Which will possibly start again on April 30th.

1 minute ago, jonclark said:

Just for context what you stated is just a theory.. Just like every other armchair TVF post. Nothing more, nothing less. And most theories are usually wrong. 

 

Does anyone know if the 32,000 (ministry of public health website data 12th April 2020) People Under Investigation (PUI) are actually tested for covid 19?

 

 

 

3 minutes ago, jonclark said:

Just for context what you stated is just a theory.. Just like every other armchair TVF post. Nothing more, nothing less. And most theories are usually wrong. 

 

Does anyone know if the 32,000 (ministry of public health website data 12th April 2020) People Under Investigation (PUI) are actually tested for covid 19?

 

 

They are all tested, but some stay in quarantine because the first negative test may become positive, as the first test does not detect the virus at the start of an infection. Mnay under quarantine are actually negative. For example, as of March 0th, more than 50% of PUI returned a negative result. 

https://ddc.moph.go.th/viralpneumonia/eng/situation.php?fbclid=IwAR2ebs55OxY2OqlNBisi4KtDrWlxGP_PpIUloeDNbpiTwDbm9jT8KdHCAVU

 

3 minutes ago, Yadon Toploy said:

Thai rates of chronic diseases are higher than in the West.

 

I would bet that Thais smoke more too. 

If you go into a govt hospital there are so many people with oxygen masks on.

Drinking that lao khao and smoking that baccy with a cat on the front of the packet ain't doing them any favours!

5 minutes ago, Canuck1966 said:

People talking about hospitals being full

A lot of people are being sent home ill and not tested

They then go back to hospital as their health deteriorats and would die very quickly....without ventilation

Not many ventilators or CPAP machines in Thailand

A person who died from the scenario above would not count as a COVID death as no patients are tested post mortem

"People talkng of..." isn't evidence. Try again.

And how do you know that those that die at home are not tested for covid? What is your evidence of this? Try again. 

40 minutes ago, madmitch said:

Are other countries looking at Thailand's figures and wondering how the figures are so low?

 

If you think about it, Thailand should be an absolute hotbed for the dissemination of the virus:

 

Flights from Wuhan continuing until Wuhan itself closed its airport;

Flights from overseas, including China, still arriving until very recently;

A population that is generally loathe to observe rules and regulations;

Minimal social distancing;

People living several to a household, not to forget the corrugated iron villages occupied by migrant workers;

Public hospitals where you expect to come out with a disease, even if you enter in perfect health;

An early lack of decisiveness from the Government and totally confusing messages from  the health ministry (and a useless health minister who has all but disappeared from sight);

Completely different provincial approaches whereby some still have shopping malls open and others are in full lockdown.

 

I could probably go on.

 

So why is this virus just not infecting many people here? Heat and humidity? Face masks? Natural immunity? Lack of testing and analysis of tests?

 

Other southeast Asian countries are also not suffering like in Europe and America.

 

It just seems odd.

 

 

https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1159056-covid-19-has-three-variations/#comments

46 minutes ago, steven100 said:

don't worry, all the TVF farang of experts say everything is bad about Thailand, doesn't matter what the news they're just a bunch of whingers.  lol

i guess  ALL  includes you ?    

48 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

fall in the quantity of tests being done =(equal)  to less virus detected, simple logic as 1 + 1 = 2

Link, please. Or is it merely conjecture? 

25 minutes ago, Canuck1966 said:

You will also be glad to know Thai officials found NO and I mean NO prostitution in Pattaya also

 

Some people are just plain thick and believe everything the junta tells them

 

Yep they toured walking street and vip vans around the city.

 

No evidence of prostitution, just so many mystic meg fortune tellers and tour guides standing on beach road.

Just now, cornishcarlos said:

 

They would have died anyway... Lard buckets and old folk !!

need a laugh?   try  Larry the Cable guy  in Pittsburgh  .

Warning:  politically incorrect .... so sensitive guys need not google it

1 hour ago, jonclark said:

Amazing numbers.. Maybe we can all go back to work. 33 sick people and the country grinds to a halt. The medicine seems more dangerous than the disease based in these numbers. However we must consider the 32'000 people under investigation. Those who have symptoms but have not been tested (one assumes) . Hmmm?? 

 

Does anyone know if PUI are tested for Covid?? 

Probably inconclusive or awaitng test results.

More testing required the numbers being tested remain fairly low, but looks like a catastrophe  may have been avoided by controls in place, hope the numbers are correct

2 minutes ago, LawrenceN said:

Link, please. Or is it merely conjecture? 

it seem the number of death are not low it countries that do high testing

19 minutes ago, w94005m said:

Two weeks of no new cases is the minimum ideal standard.

 

We have a standard to work from already ?? That would imply several countries have successfully re-opened after a 2 week period of no new infections !!

I do believe you might have just made that up ????

1 hour ago, Snig27 said:

 

The real pattern is that Thailand announces new figures and then sozzled old bedroom expert expats say they are wrong without any evidence.

What exactly did , Thailand do to have some of the best numbers in the world? Besides waiting until after Chinese New Year to do anything so they would not lose those baht. Believe government numbers here at your own peril

21 minutes ago, Canuck1966 said:

There is a thread everyday you can do your own leg work

I don't need threads. I need evidence - outside of TV and barstool talk. You are making the claim, so you must support it. 

Indonesia didnt test for the past months, they had no cases when every country in SEA had. Then there was a report out the death in March in Jakarta was 40% higher than previous years average. (https://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2020/04/04/jump-in-jakarta-funerals-raises-fears-of-unreported-covid-19-deaths.html)

 

Now they've begun proper testing and the daily count is exponential.

 

Economically it might be better to not test and just let people die. 

Edited April 12, 20206 yr by Solidpoo

53 minutes ago, madmitch said:

It just seems odd.

Yes, is very odd considering the usual honesty that comes from China, North Korea and Thailand on a daily basis. I guess democracy breeds virus and non-democracy breeds immunity

35 minutes ago, Canuck1966 said:

You will also be glad to know Thai officials found NO and I mean NO prostitution in Pattaya also

 

Some people are just plain thick and believe everything the junta tells them

 

Do you really believe Prayut could lose face after declaring that it was all under control?

He's following the CPC playbook of obfuscation and lies as he knows there are so many plebs that will wolf it down and ask for more

 

If the hospitals in Thailand were filling up with dead bodies it would be hard to hide. I live in Bangkok and am extremely impressed and grateful to the Thai people, and yes, in this case the Thai Govt, for their handling of this. My hope is that Thailand recovers soon.

13 minutes ago, Canuck1966 said:

If you go into a govt hospital there are so many people with oxygen masks on.

Drinking that lao khao and smoking that baccy with a cat on the front of the packet ain't doing them any favours!

Hospitals are always full - Sisirat is the worst for that. Hundreds of elderly and not so elderly on gurneys waiting to be seen. This is last year when I made several visits, well before covid was a thing. 

Are people that die at home tested? I would love to see a comparison of death rates from last year not taking into account road deaths which we all know is a lot more than they say. Don't die in 24 hrs not included. Die at home and not tested for covbid not included. Thailand is doing the same as China. It's just childish face saving rubbish. Look at us. We're so good. Complete .......

12 minutes ago, LawrenceN said:

Link, please. Or is it merely conjecture? 

it will most likely be classed as evidence by the serial moaners

54 minutes ago, Canuck1966 said:

10,000 dead in the UK

I have a lot of friends and I don't know anybody or friends of anybody who has it, never mind died from it

The A&E depts are super quiet in the UK and hospitals empty apart from ICUs and critical care.

No family or friends are allowed in there anyway so no pictures etc would be allowed.

 

My main point is you can easily cover up 10,000 deaths, especially when you point a gun at the nation 

 

You will find out in due course about a huge increase in pneumonia deaths and lung infections deaths, but it will be once the pandemic has  fizzled out and nobody cares

I have tried to make this point as well as pointing out that an extra 5k deaths/month in Thailand only represents a 10% increase in average monthly deaths...so, last three months could have seen an extra 15k deaths and if 25% die at home, then only a 7.5% increase in hospital business. That would not result in the "unavoidable" FB posts, full parking lots, and dead bodies popping out of all the ICUs. But, people on here don't find this type of discussion compelling. I think it's because the reality that it is blowing up here and we're not seeing it is too frightening for some to consider. 

 

I'm from the U.S. where 20k have died. I have yet to know someone who knows someone who has died of C-19. It's so sensationalized in the Western media, I think people simply can't wrap their heads around it not being treated the same way in the news here. 

Edited April 12, 20206 yr by JCP108
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