Follow the science....

[rumak]

2 hours ago, Peter Denis said:

Finally a clear statement by the Who > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3h--K5928M

 

Clearly a case  made :   white men can't dance  

 

 

 

Edited May 2, 2020 by rumak

[vermin on arrival]

3 hours ago, Logosone said:

So study after study confirms that Vitamin D levels make a difference to treatment of Covid 19, now it looks as if it may influence who gets the virus:

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8277775/People-low-levels-Vitamin-D-likely-die-COVID-19-infection.html

 

Of course if that is the case, if sunshine and Vitamin D play an important role, then keeping people cooped up inside and out of the sun was the worst possible idea.

Been taking 10k IU of liquid vitamin d every day since this started.

[Logosone]

Just now, vermin on arrival said:

Been taking 10k IU of liquid vitamin d every day since this started.

Turns out that may be a great idea.

 

I'm going shopping for salmon, sardines and eggs.

 

I had doubts about Vitamin supplements but in the case of Vitamin D I'll make an exception.

[FarFlungFalang]

37 minutes ago, geriatrickid said:

These two  people are not qualified to discuss infectious disease at this level.  They  did not disclose their financial interest. They own a clinic that was forced to close and  they can no longer access their medicaid/medicare patients and profitable income. No more "pain relief" prescriptions etc.

Since when does someone have to be qualified to discuss something?

[mauGR1]

40 minutes ago, geriatrickid said:

These two  people are not qualified to discuss infectious disease at this level.  They  did not disclose their financial interest.

What about the financial interest of the WHO and their buddies at Big Pharma ?

[rumak]

11 minutes ago, vermin on arrival said:

Been taking 10k IU of liquid vitamin d every day since this started.

Furthermore, omega-3 fatty acids supplementation may result in increased circulating levels of vitamin D. In a study by An et al. [30], it was seen that 1,25(OH)₂D levels significantly increased in dialysis patients compared to baseline after 3 months of omega-3 fatty acids supplementation without vitamin D.

 

when i began supplementing with vit d  i also ordered  a good Omega-3  capsule ( Now brand from i-herb) .   I also was never a big supplement guy but now take a few ( magnesium is another i think is important)      

I am healthy as a kwai now,  though my plowing has slowed down

 

Edited May 2, 2020 by rumak

[evadgib]

This board might be interested to know that a live stream is scheduled for tomorrow at 2300hrs Thai time (starts 2hrs earlier with background) on LondonReal.tv. The last one a fortnight ago vanished (from FB, YT etc) as soon as it had aired...

 

(They have a YT channel too but it's often purged as explained).

Edited May 2, 2020 by evadgib

[Misty]

2 hours ago, Peter Denis said:

In another thread @Misty posted the link to this long but well-researched and interesting article in The Atlantic

> https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/04/pandemic-confusing-uncertainty/610819/

Good overview and commentary from different angles.  Worth a read...

If you get a chance, check out also Ed Yong's other COVID19 related articles published in The Atlantic.

[chessman]

The above article from the Atlantic is excellent. Thanks @Misty and @Peter Denis

 

This is a paragraph from near the end.

 

"The coronavirus not only co-opts our cells, but exploits our cognitive biases. Humans construct stories to wrangle meaning from uncertainty and purpose from chaos. We crave simple narratives, but the pandemic offers none. The facile dichotomy between saving either lives or the economy belies the broad agreement between epidemiologists and economists that the U.S. shouldn’t reopen prematurely. The lionization of health-care workers and grocery-store employees ignores the risks they are being asked to shoulder and the protective equipment they aren’t being given. The rise of small anti-lockdown protests overlooks the fact that most Republicans and Democrats agree that social distancing should continue “for as long as is needed to curb the spread of coronavirus.”"

 

Be weary of people who suggest there are simple answers to this problem.

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/04/pandemic-confusing-uncertainty/610819/

 

 

 

 

Edited May 2, 2020 by chessman
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[rumak]

46 minutes ago, chessman said:

Be weary of people who suggest there are simple answers to this problem.

Is this your sentence ?   or the writer's ?

I think  wary  is the correct word here .   Though weary certainly works for me  ????

 

And,  i ALWAYS  dislike subjective proclamations that infer the writer knows what MOST of us agree on ........  as that would be contradictory to the point someone is trying to make :

to be wary of people who suggest there are simple answers. 

 

"The rise of small anti-lockdown protests overlooks the fact that most Republicans and Democrats agree that social distancing should continue “for as long as is needed to curb the spread of coronavirus.”"

 

 

[chessman]

10 minutes ago, rumak said:

I think  wary  is the correct word here

You are correct

[rumak]

5 minutes ago, chessman said:

You are correct

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[chessman]

1 minute ago, rumak said:

mmmmmfdakmlllllllll

Your other points, I didn’t fully understand. I put quote marks around the quote I used. The mis-spelled sentence was my own.

[yuyiinthesky]

6 hours ago, geriatrickid said:

These two  people are not qualified to discuss infectious disease at this level.  They  did not disclose their financial interest. They own a clinic that was forced to close and  they can no longer access their medicaid/medicare patients and profitable income. No more "pain relief" prescriptions etc.

I do not agree. These 2 doctors are fully qualified. That they are co-owners of clinics does in my humble opionion make them even more qualified. 

It speaks for them that instead of cashing out on Covid panic they worry about the other, non covid 19, patients, which do not get the medical care they urgently need. Doctors care for their patients, all their patients, I think nothing wrong with that, not at all.

[FarFlungFalang]

4 hours ago, chessman said:

The rise of small anti-lockdown protests overlooks the fact that most Republicans and Democrats agree that social distancing should continue “for as long as is needed to curb the spread of coronavirus.”"

 

 

2 hours ago, chessman said:

Your other points, I didn’t fully understand. I put quote marks around the quote I used. The mis-spelled sentence was my own.

I think he's saying how the heck does the author of the article presume to know what most people in the US think about the lockdown!In other words the article is in support of the lockdowns and the author thinks he's cleverly disguising this fact with fancy literary tricks.

[chessman]

17 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

I think he's saying how the heck does the author of the article presume to know what most people in the US think about the lockdown!

Thanks for helping me with that. If you click on the link, it leads to an extensive morning consult/Politico poll. Polls are generally how we learn about what people think about issues, no?

[rumak]

48 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

 

3 hours ago, chessman said:

Your other points, I didn’t fully understand. I put quote marks around the quote I used. The mis-spelled sentence was my own.

I think he's saying how the heck does the author of the article presume to know what most people in the US think about the lockdown!In other words the article is in support of the lockdowns and the author thinks he's cleverly disguising this fact with fancy literary tricks.

Thank you !   i really was too lazy to explain   555    The "fancy literary tricks" that you can observe put you in a very elite group here on TV.    

It is a major weapon in MSM  to get their agendas into the brains of the people.

( not that it is never used by others as well  ????

 

[cornishcarlos]

1 hour ago, chessman said:

Polls are generally how we learn about what people think about issues, no?

 

Polls are what people commission to get their message across... Remember all those polls with Mr P being the favourite person in Thailand !! Bought and paid for..

[chessman]

13 minutes ago, cornishcarlos said:

Polls are what people commission to get their message across... Remember all those polls with Mr P being the favourite person in Thailand !! Bought and paid for..

Did you read the article? Did you look at the polls? They polls are publishing their methodology, it is a bit different from Thai polls.
 

 

[jimmybcool]

1 hour ago, chessman said:

Did you read the article? Did you look at the polls? They polls are publishing their methodology, it is a bit different from Thai polls.
 

 

 

Interesting.  Not many choices there.  The methodology doesn't offer what is likely to happen in the next few weeks which is stepped reopening of selected business and application of addition preventative measures hoping this works to curb any explosion of the virus.  I wonder how many would have voted for something in between the two choices.

[chessman]

25 minutes ago, jimmybcool said:

Interesting.  Not many choices there.  The methodology doesn't offer what is likely to happen in the next few weeks which is stepped reopening of selected business and application of addition preventative measures hoping this works to curb any explosion of the virus.  I wonder how many would have voted for something in between the two choices.

The booklet with the polls is almost 400 pages and they are asking many questions. They are also doing new polls every week, some questions are the same and some are different.

[Logosone]

 

The former head statistician of the Office of National Statistics believes the UK death figure maybe as high as 45000 based on the excess number of deaths this year compared to the average of the last few years.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8280057/Statistician-estimates-double-government-figure-adjusting-excess-deaths.html

[jimmybcool]

1 hour ago, chessman said:

The booklet with the polls is almost 400 pages and they are asking many questions. They are also doing new polls every week, some questions are the same and some are different.

Ah.  I assumed the poll was limited to the choices shown.  I think if given 3 choices of

stay locked down,

open with cautions,

open totally

 

that the majority would vote the middle ground.  Of course I am not qualified to operate a legitimate poll and find out.

 

[cornishcarlos]

7 hours ago, chessman said:

Did you look at the polls

 

I was replying to your comment "polls are generally how we learn what people think", which is why that is what I quoted.

Polls are generally rigged in favour of who sponsors them.

[thaibeachlovers]

10 hours ago, chessman said:

Thanks for helping me with that. If you click on the link, it leads to an extensive morning consult/Politico poll. Polls are generally how we learn about what people think about issues, no?

No. Polls tell us a/ what the people asked think and b/ depend on the questions being asked.

[cornishcarlos]

4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

No. Polls tell us a/ what the people asked think and b/ depend on the questions being asked.

 

Like this one from today ????

 

https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1162475-pm-gets-thumbs-up-for-dedication-to-fighting-covid-19-poll/

[Peter Denis]

11 hours ago, FarFlungFalang said:

I think he's saying how the heck does the author of the article presume to know what most people in the US think about

the lockdown!  In other words the article is in support of the lockdowns and the author thinks he's cleverly disguising this fact with fancy literary tricks.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/04/pandemic-confusing-uncertainty/610819/

Imo the author of this interesting article looks at the issues at hand from different (scientific) angles, so worth a read. 

As far as I can see he is not pushing any political agenda, and even if so he did bring a couple of interesting takes to the issue.

Don't know how the discussion diverged towards polls, but that's a totally different topic and obviously more opinionated (there is no such thing as an 'objective' observer).

[Misty]

12 hours ago, FarFlungFalang said:

 

I think he's saying how the heck does the author of the article presume to know what most people in the US think about the lockdown!In other words the article is in support of the lockdowns and the author thinks he's cleverly disguising this fact with fancy literary tricks.

Edited:  I see this has already been covered above. My apologies for not reading through the entire thread before posting below.

 

_____________________________________________________________________________

Here's how:  See the link in Ed Yong's article, or click on the words "most Republicans and Democrats agree" from his article:

 

The rise of small anti-lockdown protests overlooks the fact that most Republicans and Democrats agree that social distancing should continue “for as long as is needed to curb the spread of coronavirus.”

 

The link takes you to a US National Tracking Poll.  You can see the polling results there - results on many social distancing questions.  Flip to the table on page 109, "Americans should continue to social distance for as long as is needed to curb the spread of coronavirus even if it means continued damage to the economy" and you can see the support for the author's statement.  

 

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

23 hours ago, Logosone said:

I'm thinking of getting Vitamin D supplements myself, cod liver oil.

 

Also will continue eating canned Sardines with baguette, and make red curry salmon.

 

The reason why Sweden has such high levels of Vitamin D is because they eat a lot of fatty fish.

I advise everyone to take vitamin D, vitamin C and zinc during the time of the pandemic. There are many lines of evidence that vitamin D boosts our immunity against influenza. Asst Prof Patana Teng-umnuay MD PhD

 

https://www.thephuketnews.com/healthy-habits-who-telling-the-health-truth-75934.php?fbclid=IwAR3-czFAzJsGzS_RB-Dv0vpGPoeBqTsl7ECulTqeDZWtzzlSGyxNCin65I8

[FarFlungFalang]

16 hours ago, chessman said:

Thanks for helping me with that. If you click on the link, it leads to an extensive morning consult/Politico poll. Polls are generally how we learn about what people think about issues, no?

I agree no!Polls are unreliable,alterable,influenced and not worth the space they take up!They may give an indication of some but the author presumes to know what most are thinking do you see the difference?If you don't see the difference then perhaps you believe what you read?I do not believe what I read,they are just stories written mostly by people.These days you can't even presume that a person wrote something and not a program.