Netanyahu 'confident' U.S. will allow West Bank annexation in two months

[metisdead]

Off topic posts and replies about Europeans taking over Aboriginal land have been removed. 

[impulse]

36 minutes ago, sanemax said:

The British were not pro Israel/Zionist , the British tried to stop Jews entering the land .

The Palestinian Arabs living on the land rejected the offer , as did nearly all other Arab nations .

  There were over half a million Jews living on the land at the time , many had been living there for thousands of years non stop , hardly a "foreign power"? 

  The Palestinians and Jews were both offered land and statehood in 1947 , Jews accepted , Palestinians rejected the offer , hence they now dont have a Country

 

If someone stole all of your stuff, then came back the next year and offered you half of it back, would you accept that as a full and fair settlement?

 

I'd also correct your statement about "living there for thousands of years".  They lived there thousands of years ago, sure.   Any perusal of the demographics in the interim will show that they were a tiny minority until the Europeans made promises...

 

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[stevenl]

1 hour ago, AussieBob18 said:

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Learn their history and you will know why most other Arab states do not recognise them <snip>

Many members of the Arab League don't recognise Palestine due to a threat to the UN from the US to stop their financial contribution to the UN if the motion from the Arab League to recognise the PLO as official government of Palestine would be voted on.

 

I presume that is what you were referring to?

Edited April 27, 2020 by stevenl

[dexterm]

2 hours ago, AussieBob18 said:

Yes you are wrong !

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_Liberation_Organization

Quote:  In 1993, the PLO recognized Israel's right to exist in peace, accepted UN Security Council resolutions 242 and 338, and rejected "violence and terrorism". In response, Israel officially recognized the PLO as the representative of the Palestinian people.[17] However, the PLO has employed violence in the years since 1993, particularly during the 2000–2005 Second Intifada. On 29 October 2018, the Palestinian Central Council suspended the recognition of Israel and halted security and economic coordination in all its forms with it.[18]

 

 

There is fault on both sides, but it is hard to go past what the PLO did at the Munich Olympics in 1972. 

The PLO are terrorists - period:   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_political_violence

Learn their history and you will know why most other Arab states do not recognise them, and Jordan was so easy to give up them and their land to Israel.

 

 

 

You alleged at https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1161543-netanyahu-confident-us-will-allow-west-bank-annexation-in-two-months/?do=findComment&comment=15345651

 "To claim that Hamas or Hezbollah or PLO or any bordering Arab Nation has formally accepted the existence of Isreal - is ridiculous and proof of their ignorance about what has been and is still happening".

 

I pointed out with links to the Israeli virtuallibrary that the PLO in writing at the 1993 Oslo Accords formally accepted the right of Israel to exist, which contradicts what you wrote in apparent ignorance. All Israel did to reciprocate was recognize the PLO as representative of the Palestinian people. Israel by contrast has never recognized Palestine's right to exist, which was supposed to happen within 5 years of Oslo by 1998! It was all just smoke and mirrors to continue land grabs and entrenchment of a brutal illegal occupation.

 

Well, that's all academic anyway. I was merely fact checking the usual Zionist playbook mythology. Fast forward to the OP where Israel has not only reneged on any two state deal, but made it well and truly impossible, with the help of Trump's idiotic and counter productive cheerleading.  Good. It has made a single democratic state with equal rights for all inevitable.

 

Trump doesn't realize it, but he's the best friend the Palestinians have ever had. He's accelerated the end of Zionism.
 

Edited April 27, 2020 by dexterm

[impulse]

14 minutes ago, sanemax said:

You are wrong, Jews have lived continually on the land for 3000 odd years 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_and_Judaism_in_the_Land_of_Israel

 

The history of the Jews and Judaism in the Land of Israel is about the history and religion of the Jewish people who originated in the Land of Israel, and have maintained physical, cultural, and religious ties to it ever since. Although they had first emerged centuries earlier as an outgrowth of southern Canaanites,^[1][2][3][4] and the Hebrew Bible claims that a United Israelite monarchy existed starting in the 10th century BCE, the first appearance of the name "Israel" in the non-Biblical historic record is the Egyptian Merneptah Stele, circa 1200 BCE.

 

  Also bear in mind that Islam wasnt invented until 1500 odd years after jews  had been living on the land 

 

If you want to pull up a wikipedia, try this one...

 

Before the modern Zionist movement, the population of Palestine was less than 5% Jewish...  It was about 1% in 1690.  That qualifies as a "tiny minority".  It was Euro driven immigration that drove the numbers up, not some indigenous population boom.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Palestine_(region)

 

 

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[dexterm]

20 minutes ago, sanemax said:

You are wrong, Jews have lived continually on the land for 3000 odd years 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_and_Judaism_in_the_Land_of_Israel

 

The history of the Jews and Judaism in the Land of Israel is about the history and religion of the Jewish people who originated in the Land of Israel, and have maintained physical, cultural, and religious ties to it ever since. Although they had first emerged centuries earlier as an outgrowth of southern Canaanites,^[1][2][3][4] and the Hebrew Bible claims that a United Israelite monarchy existed starting in the 10th century BCE, the first appearance of the name "Israel" in the non-Biblical historic record is the Egyptian Merneptah Stele, circa 1200 BCE.

 

  Also bear in mind that Islam wasnt invented until 1500 odd years after jews  had been living on the land 

OK try some math acrobatics to contort these 2 facts into your perfect Zionist narrative.

In 1890 Jews were a mere 8% of the population of Palestine. The rest were Muslims and Christians.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Palestine_(region)#Late_Ottoman_period

and yet 58 years later...

In 1948 36 of the 37 signatories to the Declaration of Israel's independence were born overseas and Israeli Jews then controlled 78% of Palestine, and by 1967 they controlled 100% of Palestine.

Sounds pretty much like European colonialism to me.

 

Palestinians are the indigenous population of Palestine, not people like Ivanka Trump who simply because she married into Jarad Kushner's  faith is entitled to automatic citizenship and a housing package in annexed Palestinian land. While the Palestinian who still has the title deeds and keys to that property languishes in a refugee camp 20 minutes drive away but is forbidden from returning to live or even visit there because of pure racism. That's the injustice I object to.

Edited April 27, 2020 by dexterm

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15 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Israeli citizens all have equal rights and theres no separate rules or laws for anyone .

Non Israeli Citizens do not have the rights of Israeli citizens, same in every Country 

So guy called Moses hear voice from tooth fairy. Who say this is your land and coundry. Dosen't matter who live there before. To me all can believe what they want. My son even think few years ago Santa Claus is real!

[candide]

3 hours ago, dexterm said:

Some will the 2.8 million Palestinians that Israel is about to annex in the West Bank also be given the equal rights of Israeli citizens?

It will never happen. Added to the current number of Palestinian citizens of Israel, they would represent more than 40% of voters and would be king makers in any election.

[dexterm]

4 hours ago, candide said:

It will never happen. Added to the current number of Palestinian citizens of Israel, they would represent more than 40% of voters and would be king makers in any election.

Precisely. The indigenous population would finally have a say in how they are governed. What's wrong with equality? Annex the land; annex the people living there.

Edited April 27, 2020 by dexterm

[metisdead]

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[KhunFred]

Easier to go ahead and do it and ask forgiveness later. Bibi rocks.