In leaked call, Obama describes Trump handling of virus as chaotic

[Throatwobbler]

40 minutes ago, AussieBob18 said:

I agree. This is my first activity for a few weeks because of all the hate Trump rubbish.  I think the problem is whoever it is that chooses the stories to post. I guess that person feels more responses will be obtained from negative stories about Trump, than negative stories about Obama or Biden.  Either way I have looked at TV and it is still the same stuff. I am not going to encourage it anymore by participating anymore.  Over and Out.

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Edited May 12, 2020 by Throatwobbler

[Crazy Alex]

1 hour ago, ChouDoufu said:

you could check schumer's press releases for a start.  is the complaint that schumer should have been running the executive branch?

 

Amid the unpredictable spread of the potentially fatal coronavirus, which has already been confirmed in three cases domestically, U.S. Senator Charles Schumer revealed today that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) cannot access a special federal funding account known as the Infectious Disease Rapid Response Reserve Fund until the federal Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), led by Secretary Alex Azar, officially declares a “public health emergency” related to the coronavirus. Schumer, today, made the case to affirm this emergency declaration and further revealed that in the recent budget deal he just negotiated, he was able to increase the very account relevant to combatting the coronavirus from $50 million to $85 million.

 

https://www.schumer.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/schumer-reveals-cdc-cannot-access-rapid-response-dollars-that-can-help-stop-potentially-deadly-coronavirus-until-feds-declare-official-public-health-emergency-senator-urges-feds-to-make-the-declaration-now-so-cdc-can-unlock-tens-of-millions-in-the-proactive-war-to-beat-back-spread-

Wow, Schumer called on the federal government to spend money. LOL

[Crazy Alex]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Blame State leadership, dismiss the absence of a ‘National’ Federal response and give the National President a free pass on his dismissal of the threat and failure to act to protect the nation or provide the nation with the testing, medical PPE or medically equipment it needs. 

 

How about placing blame everywhere it belongs? And obviously, as states' needs differ, states are responsible for preparedness as well.

[Crazy Alex]

27 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

So it should be US virus instead of Spanish flu to be politically correct. 
 

The Wuhan lab is call Wuhan Institute of Virology where many pathogens are studied to be factually correct. 
 

Not telling the truth does not necessary occurred in a totalitarian government. Also occurred in a democratic government like in US where the President is the telling record number of lies every day. That will be truthfully correct. 

 

 

China is a totalitarian-led, communist country. There is no debating that.

 

As for Trump's lies, it sounds like a lot of lies. How does Trump's numbers compare with previous presidents? And who has been keeping count?

[Crazy Alex]

Just now, Eric Loh said:

The debate is whether a totalitarian communist China lie. Yes they do as well as democratic US. 
 

As for Trump lies, NYT keep count comparing with Obama. They wrote:-

 

President Donald Trump has told nearly six times more lies in the first 10 months of his presidency than former President Barack Obama did in his entire 8-year term, according to data collected and published Thursday in the New York Times.

According to the New York Times, hard core leftist Democrats. Do you think there's a chance that their count is biased?

[Crazy Alex]

40 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

So it should be US virus instead of Spanish flu to be politically correct. 
 

The Wuhan lab is call Wuhan Institute of Virology where many pathogens are studied to be factually correct. 
 

Not telling the truth does not necessary occurred in a totalitarian government. Also occurred in a democratic government like in US where the President is the telling record number of lies every day. That will be truthfully correct. 

 

 

Why should anything be "politically correct"? Of what benefit is that?

[Eric Loh]

Just now, Crazy Alex said:

According to the New York Times, hard core leftist Democrats. Do you think there's a chance that their count is biased?

No & unlikely. Mathematics not opinion. 

[ChouDoufu]

48 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Wow, Schumer called on the federal government to spend money. LOL

are you deliberately misrepresenting the quote?

 

 

congress authorized spending to fund the Infectious Disease Rapid Response Reserve Fund.

 

the CDC cannot access the funds to rapidly respond to the infectious disease unless the HHS officially declares a “public health emergency.”

 

schumer called on the government (HHS) to declare an emergency.

 

 

no emergency = no response = dead americans

[Eric Loh]

9 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Why should anything be "politically correct"? Of what benefit is that?

With you on this one. Stop calling the Wuhan virus. What benefit is that? 

[Tie Dye Samurai]

11 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

He can go quietly to face justice, or like most cowards, make a whole lotta noise as he desperately grasps for solid ground. 

you mean a whole lotta noise like paying porn stars off to be quiet about being spanked with a magazine? That kinda noise?

[Crazy Alex]

17 minutes ago, ChouDoufu said:

are you deliberately misrepresenting the quote?

 

 

congress authorized spending to fund the Infectious Disease Rapid Response Reserve Fund.

 

the CDC cannot access the funds to rapidly respond to the infectious disease unless the HHS officially declares a “public health emergency.”

 

schumer called on the government (HHS) to declare an emergency.

 

 

no emergency = no response = dead americans

Ummm... there WAS a response, starting with restricting travel from China on January 31. Are you deliberately misrepresenting the facts? Are you one of those people who says Trump told people to inject bleach?

[Crazy Alex]

17 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

With you on this one. Stop calling the Wuhan virus. What benefit is that? 

You seem to have lost track of who you are replying to. This is what I posted:

 

"Why should anything be "politically correct"? Of what benefit is that?"

[Crazy Alex]

28 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

No & unlikely. Mathematics not opinion. 

I see. So you don't believe there is any bias in how the New York Times counted instances of Trump lies versus Obama's lies. I doubt even you believe that. Why not just admit it and be done with it?

 

 

[chessman]

26 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

According to the New York Times, hard core leftist Democrats.

Moderate left. Although the youtube crazies will try to paint anything left of moderate right as hard core leftist. Try reading it, always good to have our biases challenged.

[Phulublub]

3 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Ummm... there WAS a response, starting with restricting travel from China on January 31. Are you deliberately misrepresenting the facts? Are you one of those people who says Trump told people to inject bleach?

Restricting.  A move that allowed "only" 40,000 to enter the country.  Good job, well done.

 

True, he did not tell anyone to inject bleach.  That he even mused out loud at a press conference and asked one of his senior staff, in all seriousness, to investigate doing so says enough.

 

PH

[Sujo]

9 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

I see. So you don't believe there is any bias in how the New York Times counted instances of Trump lies versus Obama's lies. I doubt even you believe that. Why not just admit it and be done with it?

 

 

Why dont you provide evidence to contradict it.

[Tie Dye Samurai]

6 hours ago, riclag said:

 Mr. Obama political rhetoric not only reeks of bad taste but most importantly has indirectly attacked the task force , health experts  and the excellent effort they have shown over the months!

Trump has spent basically 10 years railing on Obama when he was in office and out of office (right down to questioning his citizenship) a man who labels anybody that opposes him with negative handles (Crooked Hillary, Little Marco, No Energy Jeb, Sleepy Joe, Pocahontas etc etc), a man that actually insinuated that Senator Cruz's father was linked in the JFK assassination based on a bit by....of all places....that beacon of truth in journalism....THE NATIONAL ENQUIRER...because Cruz would not endorse him at the Republican National Convention...but it is OBAMA whose "political rhetoric not only reeks of bad taste". If bad taste was branded for marketing it would be called Donald Trump.

[ChouDoufu]

19 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Ummm... there WAS a response, starting with restricting travel from China on January 31. Are you deliberately misrepresenting the facts? Are you one of those people who says Trump told people to inject bleach?

no, of course not!  he didn't mean to inject bleach.  that would have been foolish.

 

go back and listen carefully to the video, read the transcript.  he was recommending that the experts leading the response to the virus waste their time investigating spraying (not injecting) disinfectant (not specifically bleach) inside the lungs, as a cleaning.

 

now listen the the recording again, only this time imagine obama's voice is speaking.

 

 

 

 

[chessman]

The idea that Trump supporters are ‘offended’ by this Obama quote is laughable. Surely they are really thinking about how weak the insult is (a weak insult from a weak president) and that their man would be much more creative and vicious.

[Solinvictus]

Hello! They are both corrupt and against 'human rights.'

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[Solinvictus]

Are there any Americans that actually still believe in 'trickle down' economics? LOL. Particularly, those over 45 years old...

 

[Tie Dye Samurai]

3 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

The PPE cupboard has been depleted for much longer than that.

Yeah but the current guy in charge had 3.5 years to restock it but he chose to have a government shutdown to build a wall instead...a great big beautiful wall that Mexico will pay for...how is that wall doing protecting us from the Corona virus? Maybe we should blame Mexico since they didn't pay for the wall like somebody told us they would...so we had to spend money that could have gone to restocking PPE (since "the cupboard was bare" when The Donald took the reigns). How come some of the fruits from "The Greatest Economy The World Has Ever Seen" couldn't have gone to restocking some PPE for a rainy day....guess, its pouring now and Trump doesnt seem to have a raincoat (not the first time he has been out in the rain without a raincoat according to Stormy Daniels) 

[teatime101]

1 hour ago, Crazy Alex said:

China is a totalitarian-led, communist country.

Totalitarian yes, communist. no. Capitalists are taking over, as they do. Some people (me included) would call China a fascist state. Trump can only dream of Xi's power.

 

China’s private sector - which has been revving up since the global financial crisis - is now serving as the main driver of China’s economic growth. The combination of numbers 60/70/80/90 are frequently used to describe the private sector's contribution to the Chinese economy: they contribute 60% of China’s GDP, and are responsible for 70% of innovation, 80% of urban employment and provide 90% of new jobs. Private wealth is also responsible for 70% of investment and 90% of exports.

 

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/05/why-chinas-state-owned-companies-still-have-a-key-role-to-play/

[nattaya09]

Line 326 posts up end to end and they reach no conclusion

[CGW]

Trey Gowdy had some interesting comments to make about Obama's "leaked call", you would think he would be laying low or is he bomb proof, some seem to think Obamagate will happen sooner rather than later"

Just enjoying the show personally ???? ???? ????

[CGW]

1 minute ago, nattaya09 said:

Line 326 posts up end to end and they reach no conclusion

Think they call it "divide & rule" ????

[candide]

52 minutes ago, Tie Dye Samurai said:

Yeah but the current guy in charge had 3.5 years to restock it but he chose to have a government shutdown to build a wall instead...a great big beautiful wall that Mexico will pay for...how is that wall doing protecting us from the Corona virus? Maybe we should blame Mexico since they didn't pay for the wall like somebody told us they would...so we had to spend money that could have gone to restocking PPE (since "the cupboard was bare" when The Donald took the reigns). How come some of the fruits from "The Greatest Economy The World Has Ever Seen" couldn't have gone to restocking some PPE for a rainy day....guess, its pouring now and Trump doesnt seem to have a raincoat (not the first time he has been out in the rain without a raincoat according to Stormy Daniels) 

Actually, Mexico should officially complain about Trump lying about the severity of the coronavirus situation in the US, which resulted in a larger number of infections of Mexican people.

[Tie Dye Samurai]

15 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

because liberals assume Trump would comment on politics after his term ends, that it's OK for liberal ex POTUS's to interfere now? You can see a problem with this logic, right? 

The problem with YOUR logic is that there is NO assumption about Trump running his mouth when he is not in office anymore...what do you think he is gonna do in 2021 when he is in Florida playing golf and 46 (I.e. Joe Biden) is running the show? Retire his twitter account for full time links and enjoying the Golden Years (make that The Orange Years) with Melania? COME ON...you will be BEGGING him for his one man Tweet show of rants misinformation and narcissist babbling. Actually I think you guys like to call it "riffing" but usually that term is reserved for him waxing poetic on disinfectants as a lung cleaner and high powered lights to be shined on the skin to beat a pandemic. (You cant really blame Trump for gravitating toward high powered light, he obviously knows his way around a tanning bed...I mean a bronzing booth...wait...Trump would never settle for the Bronze, 3rd place is for losers...so lets brand it as a pumpkin bed...wow that just rolls off the tongue, I smell money). "This is an orange like nobody has ever seen folks, its beautiful and unprecedented"

I do have one bit of consolation for you...Trump could still run in 2024 since he will not have had his two terms yet....by that time he will only be 78 years old....the same as Biden is now!!!!!! HE CAN BE YOUR GROVER CLEVELAND!!!! (of course, on a serious note, he is gonna have to survive the corona virus that is in the white house...maybe a mask would be a good idea...how about ISOLATION since he has been exposed to the Corona virus and could be exposing others at this very moment...that is what a leader would do...you know...the responsible thing like keeping other people out of danger and following your own administrations guidelines)

[Tie Dye Samurai]

1 hour ago, ChouDoufu said:

no, of course not!  he didn't mean to inject bleach.  that would have been foolish.

 

go back and listen carefully to the video, read the transcript.  he was recommending that the experts leading the response to the virus waste their time investigating spraying (not injecting) disinfectant (not specifically bleach) inside the lungs, as a cleaning.

 

now listen the the recording again, only this time imagine obama's voice is speaking.

 

 

 

 

you forgot about the high powered light on the skin "or by some other means"...lets give him all the credit he deserves

[Solinvictus]

1 hour ago, Tie Dye Samurai said:

Yeah but the current guy in charge had 3.5 years to restock it but he chose to have a government shutdown to build a wall instead...a great big beautiful wall that Mexico will pay for...how is that wall doing protecting us from the Corona virus? Maybe we should blame Mexico since they didn't pay for the wall like somebody told us they would...so we had to spend money that could have gone to restocking PPE (since "the cupboard was bare" when The Donald took the reigns). How come some of the fruits from "The Greatest Economy The World Has Ever Seen" couldn't have gone to restocking some PPE for a rainy day....guess, its pouring now and Trump doesnt seem to have a raincoat (not the first time he has been out in the rain without a raincoat according to Stormy Daniels) 

Wow very nice comment.

 

Trump supporters can't be changed as some of them joined the Trump bandwagon before there even was a bandwagon of 'hate.'

 

All partisan politics aside, I am talking directly to those who do support Trump. Although your Republican party at the moment is more skillful, they represent the continued deterioration of the working middle/lower class. A plethora of other social institutions/benefits also. I can't support that. War?

 

Also, it wasn't a foreigner (some Mexican) who gave my families steel mill jobs away. Rather it was neo-liberal democrats. #getaclue #DropOutJoe

 

Ralph Nader - Ralph Nader Radio Hour

 

 

Edited May 12, 2020 by Solinvictus