Malta envoy to Helsinki resigns after comparing Merkel to Hitler

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5 hours ago, simple1 said:

I suggest the member was talking to Merkel's contributions leading up to and when she came to power. There is no doubt Merkel made a magnificent contribution compared to other EU leaders. As an example...

 

https://carnegieeurope.eu/strategiceurope/73195

 

Unfortunately Merkel has in recent years faced ever increasing difficulties from an alleged ally stirring the pot of right of centre populism. To date she has managed to keep matters relatively stable when compared to some of her neighbours such as Poland and Hungary. Whoever takes on the leadership of Germany will face some very tough times.

Well I must disagree. Merkel was actually being commended and put on a par with the forefathers of the EU, who had very little influence w.r.t. the unification of Germany and Europe.

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5 hours ago, puipuitom said:

The Eastern European countries joined the EU for ONE and ONE reason only: EU funds...

Kohl convinced the Sovjest they were broke. That's why trailer after trailer with aid goods from the West went into the East.

I was not talking about the EU. I was talking about Europe. The eastern European countries just wanted freedom from the Soviet Bloc. It's not so long ago.  

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5 hours ago, puipuitom said:

Would be a good suggestion, to have a better (financial) control over the Olive Belt. For decades they spend too much public money despite warning after warning. Taxing: every suggestion was striked away. With the merge of all into the Euro (1999) , agreed was: max 3% state deficit, and a 60% total state debt. But the Olive Belt even widened the gap. Financial ( banking ) crises 2008: warnings again, but.. got the thick middle finger as reply. Even big row end of 2018 about the AGAIN big deficit of Italy, but reply from the Clown Grillo and Mr Selfini: "burst". This time, it really hurts, and after 30-40 years earning, the misery comes to the surface. Never even a glimpse of solidarity from Italy especially, but NOW the Germanians have to show solidity and.. give HUGE amounts of money to the Olive Belt.

Forget it. 

Yes forget it. Good idea. The Euro, EU, the lot! Better just look after your Geraniums.

[candide]

19 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Incorrect (BTW there is no need to try to claim the moral high ground by throwing insults around, that's not very mature).

 

Let's look at his words carefully.

 

1. 75 years ago we stopped Hitler. Depends who "we" is, but assuming he means the allies this is correct.

2. Who will stop Angela Merkel? This is a question. Do SJW's still allow questions to be asked? 

3. She has fulfilled Hitler's dream! To control Europe. Hitler's dream was to control Europe, I would agree with this part. I would disagree that she has fulfilled this dream but it would be difficult to argue that Germany does not have significant influence over Europe via it's economics policies within the European Union.

 

His words were very undiplomatic. But to say that she has fulfilled Hitler's dream, whilst incorrect in my opinion, is not the same as comparing the two.

Actually, Hitler did not initially intend to control Europe. Hitler's 'Lebensraum' was clearly defined as East of Germany up to Ural mountains. The basic idea was to annihilate and/or displace the 'Untermensh' population and to replace it with German settlers. 

 

 

[balo]

I think Hitler would be happy with EU, a controlled Europe is exactly up his alley. 

[JonnyF]

5 hours ago, candide said:

Actually, Hitler did not initially intend to control Europe. Hitler's 'Lebensraum' was clearly defined as East of Germany up to Ural mountains. The basic idea was to annihilate and/or displace the 'Untermensh' population and to replace it with German settlers. 

 

 

[norfolkandchance]

19 hours ago, puipuitom said:

Would be a good suggestion, to have a better (financial) control over the Olive Belt. For decades they spend too much public money despite warning after warning. Taxing: every suggestion was striked away. With the merge of all into the Euro (1999) , agreed was: max 3% state deficit, and a 60% total state debt. But the Olive Belt even widened the gap. Financial ( banking ) crises 2008: warnings again, but.. got the thick middle finger as reply. Even big row end of 2018 about the AGAIN big deficit of Italy, but reply from the Clown Grillo and Mr Selfini: "burst". This time, it really hurts, and after 30-40 years earning, the misery comes to the surface. Never even a glimpse of solidarity from Italy especially, but NOW the Germanians have to show solidity and.. give HUGE amounts of money to the Olive Belt.

Forget it. 

Don’t rock the boat mate. I’m still getting my Olive oil subsidies.

[stevenl]

7 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Which is connected to his initial intend how?

He started wanting Lebensraum for the Germanic people. That was available to the east, not west. Very soon things changed, but that has no bearing on the initial intend.

[candide]

3 hours ago, JonnyF said:

That was about tactics, because he knew France and UK would declare war, and UK initially didn't want to be allied to the communist Soviet Union. Mein Kampf leaves no doubt about his initial 'dream':

 

"And so, we National Socialists consciously draw a line beneath the foreign policy tendency of our pre–War period. We take up where we broke off six hundred years ago. We stop the endless German movement to the south and west, and turn our gaze toward the land in the East. At long last, we break off the colonial and commercial policy of the pre–War period and shift to the soil policy of the future."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebensraum

[JonnyF]

3 hours ago, stevenl said:

Which is connected to his initial intend how?

He started wanting Lebensraum for the Germanic people. That was available to the east, not west. Very soon things changed, but that has no bearing on the initial intend.

Who cares what his initial intention was? The word Initial wasn't even mentioned until the second page of the thread. Let's go back a stage earlier shall we and say his initial intention was only to become Chancellor so the takeover of Europe that followed is irrelevant .

 

Absolutely laughable logic and only introduced to the topic because the argument had already been lost ????.

[transam]

On 5/11/2020 at 8:45 AM, JonnyF said:

Merkel is nothing like Hitler (although if you read his comments carefully he didn't actually say that she was, but it's the click-bait headline and over-reaction to it that ends careers these days).

 

His point (which contains some truth) is that Germany is attempting to exert control over Europe via it's high profile position within the European Union. Of course, it exerts it's influence through economic policies these days rather than brutal military force.

 

Yes and knows all about the wasting of the Island by the Germans...

[stevenl]

9 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Who cares what his initial intention was? The word Initial wasn't even mentioned until the second page of the thread. Let's go back a stage earlier shall we and say his initial intention was only to become Chancellor so the takeover of Europe that followed is irrelevant .

 

Absolutely laughable logic and only introduced to the topic because the argument had already been lost ????.

Since you replied to a post with 'initial intention' I presume that is what you were talking about.

[puipuitom]

On 5/11/2020 at 5:48 AM, jaf3 said:

the frustration with germany is all about economic policy - exchange and interest rates in particular - I would suggest that there be Southern and Northern Euro with different exchange rates and interest rates and policy. Athens and Valletta will never thrive if they have to operate like Germany economic policy. 

One little tiny problem: in which currency the South (Olive Belt) will pay the loans to the North (Germanians) back: in the strongly devaluated S-Euro or the highly appreciated N-Euro ? Or maybe in Ounces ( = the English currency after the Hard Brexit, >31 Dec 2020) 

Another: will the Olive Belt still be able to buy the Germanian industrial products ? Or the opposite: thanks to devaluation of the Seuro, the Olive Belt is so competative, they can beat the Germanians from many markets.

Edited May 12, 2020 by puipuitom

[puipuitom]

On 5/11/2020 at 3:34 PM, nauseus said:

I was not talking about the EU. I was talking about Europe. The eastern European countries just wanted freedom from the Soviet Bloc. It's not so long ago.  

That's why all applied officially to be EU member already in 1994-1995. Freedom is nice, but on an empty stomach ?

Remind the socialist/communitst German novelist Bertold Brecht: "zuerst kommt das Fressen, dann die Moral". First comes the eating, then the moral...

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2 hours ago, puipuitom said:

That's why all applied officially to be EU member already in 1994-1995. Freedom is nice, but on an empty stomach ?

Remind the socialist/communitst German novelist Bertold Brecht: "zuerst kommt das Fressen, dann die Moral". First comes the eating, then the moral...

Five years after the wall came down. Of course they applied. It's free money! They all know that. Degree in rocket science not required! 

[candide]

12 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Who cares what his initial intention was? The word Initial wasn't even mentioned until the second page of the thread. Let's go back a stage earlier shall we and say his initial intention was only to become Chancellor so the takeover of Europe that followed is irrelevant .

 

Absolutely laughable logic and only introduced to the topic because the argument had already been lost ????.

Your point 3.  was about Hitler's dream. Hitler's dream was not to control Europe, it was the 'Lebensraum' as explained in Mein Kampf. Your answer displayed what he did. Not what he dreamed. A dream is not necessarily what actually happens. He controlled most of Europe but did not realize his dream.

[Heppinger]

On 5/11/2020 at 11:45 AM, JonnyF said:

Merkel is nothing like Hitler

Oh i dunno about that! both of these over achievers families didn't originate in Germany.  Possible that both had Jewish mothers.