43 minutes ago, Phil McCaverty said:

its a tax dodge.

Taxes....what taxes....you mean somebody has seen Trump's taxes....

33 minutes ago, tropo said:

No, the crux is that his "fact checking" is not fact checking at all AND he's a Trump hater with a political agenda.

 

 

You are not paranoid, they really are watching you

Just now, Tie Dye Samurai said:

Taxes....what taxes....you mean somebody has seen Trump's taxes....

No one at the tax office has 

 

1 hour ago, Phoenix Rising said:

Which lies are you referring to?

One lie.

 

Twitter fact checker: "Trump falsely claimed that mail-in ballots would lead to a 'Rigged Election'... Fact-checkers say there is no evidence that mail-in ballots are linked to voter fraud."

 

This is the lie, as there is lots of evidence of absentee voter fraud for anyone that cares to look for it, and it's surprisingly easy to find.

 

The following site lists 1071 proven instances of voter fraud.

 

https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/whitehouse.gov/files/docs/pacei-voterfraudcases.pdf

 

The one we are looking for is: FRAUDULENT USE OF ABSENTEE BALLOTS.

 

If you scroll down, you will find many cases of this particular type of voter fraud. They are listed by state. I scrolled down to G: Georgia and counted 47 cases of absentee ballot fraud. Some people were charged and sent to prison. In some cases they won an election as a result of this fraud.

 

Here are some examples:

=====================================================================================================

Olivia Lee Reynolds

OUTCOME: CRIMINAL CONVICTION

Fraudulent Use of Absentee Ballots Olivia Lee Reynolds was convicted of 24 counts of voter fraud. While working on the 2013 campaign for her boyfriend, Dothan City Commissioner Amos Newsome, Reynolds filled out voters’ ballots for them and told others for whom to vote. Her fraud had definite consequences: Commissioner Newsome won reelection by a mere 14 votes, losing the in-person vote by a wide margin but winning an incredible 96 percent of the absentee vote. Newsome himself faced pressure to resign as a consequence. Reynolds was sentenced to serve six months in a community corrections facility. She is appealing the conviction.

 

Karen Tipton Berry

OUTCOME: CRIMINAL CONVICTION

Fraudulent Use of Absentee Ballots Ms. Berry pleaded guilty and received a two-year suspended sentence. The former Pike County Commissioner narrowly won--and then lost--her 2008 reelection bid when 10 absentee ballots were found to have been fraudulently cast in the election. Ms. Berry was charged with mailing an illegal absentee ballot.

 

Connie Tyree, Frank “Pinto” Smith, Booker Cooke, Jr., Flephus Hardy, Garria Spencer, Althenia Spencer, Racing Commissioner Lester “Bop” Brown, and Spiver Gordon

OUTCOME: CRIMINAL CONVICTION

Fraudulent Use of Absentee Ballots The Birmingham Office of the U.S. Attorney and the Alabama Attorney General conducted an extensive joint investigation of absentee ballot fraud allegations in Greene County in the November 1994 election. By the end of the investigation, nine defendants pleaded guilty to voter fraud and two others were found guilty by a jury. The defendants included Greene County commissioners, officials, and employees; a racing commissioner; a member of the board of education; a Eutaw city councilman; and other community leaders. The conspiracy included using an assembly line to mass produce forged absentee ballots meant to swing elections in favor of preferred candidates

==================================================================================================

 

7 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

You are not paranoid, they really are watching you

Dude, I'm Australian and definitely not paranoid about what goes on in US politics.

36 minutes ago, simple1 said:

You're making the allegations, the onus is on you to back up your accusation with factual info from credible sources. if you decline to do so one can only come to one conclusion; you've got nothing.

Done. The evidence you wanted to see that you could have easily found on your own but were too lazy to search for - in a post just above... choosing instead to believe the BS Twitter "fact-checking".

 

What is your onus? To believe everything you read?

Edited May 28, 20206 yr by tropo

4 hours ago, utalkin2me said:

This is something every human should support. We cannot have Twitter or anyone else deciding what the truth is. 

True.  But with global media inundating people with news, there must be some way to have reliable, skeptical fact checkers calling BS on leaders and false prophets when they present BS.

 

If only there were some kind of "Fourth Estate" dedicated to unbiased reporting and reasonable analysis of events, and fact checking those who use a position of power to promote self-serving falsehoods. 

 

Wouldn't it be great if there were such institutions, ideally businesses in competition with each other, not only fact checking the leaders but each other?  Businesses that survived for many decades because they earned a reputation for factual reporting and analysis.

 

Of course such a business couldn't last if the public relied on "infotainment" in a vain attempt to stay informed; it would never last on television or the internet, which are driven by ratings and likes.  It would probably have to exist only in print, willing to present its reporting in a permanent, check-able form. 

 

Yeah, this is a business that would only survive if people were willing to read the news, instead of channel and link surfing in order to be entertained and confirm beliefs.  That won't happen.

 

Seriously, what are the chances of a literate public trying to stay informed by reading?

5 hours ago, DoctorG said:

and then you have the people on here who believe everything they see on CNN/MSNBC. Weird isn't it?

Has it occurred to you that there are people here who stay informed by reading, instead of watching television?

 

My guess is that if you are a Trump supporter, you, like Trump, don't read and think 'reality" as presented by television is all there is.

4 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

And here we go again. False smears without a scintilla of evidence presented as fact. Again and again and again. For the record Trump donates his salary to the US armed forces, he is a hero. There is no evidence of his having stolen anything. Kindly retract your false and insulting post which is in breech of forum rules. Thank you.

After being elected and before taking office Trump doubled the membership fee to Mar-a-Lago from $100,000 to $200,000 then announced his resort would be the "Winter White House".  https://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/25/mar-a-lago-membership-fee-doubles-to-200000.html

 

Doesn't look heroic to me.  It looks blatantly self-serving.

46 minutes ago, Phil McCaverty said:

How do you know its a "he"?

 

Admit it, you have no idea who the fact checker is or their political leanings.

How do I know it's a "he"?

 

I already stated his name in a previous post that you were too lazy to read.

 

Yoel Roth looks like a he. What do you think?

 

 

 

 

3 hours ago, BobBKK said:

Social Media companies should not get involved with censorship. On this one Zuckerberg is right. Slippery slope.

Right, and Goebbels should not be held responsible for promoting Hitler's message.

3 hours ago, Youlike said:

 

That says a lot.  When MSNBC incorrectly reported the location of some Christmas parties it then corrected the error.

 

What was you point?

3 hours ago, Youlike said:

 

 

I won't waste my time on another of your video links.  If you can't state in writing what your point is, it isn't much of a point.

2 hours ago, DoctorG said:

Not going to open the link again but the first I remember was the "nasty woman" comment. The Star acknowledges that he didn't actually call her a nasty women, as reported by many in the media, but they included it anyway in their list.

At the same time that Trump was denying calling her a "nasty women", recordings of him saying "I didn't know she was nasty" were being played.

 

"Speaking on "The Nightly Show with Larry Wilmore" in 2016, Markle called Trump misogynistic and said his politics are divisive, saying she would move to Canada if he won the presidency.

Trump responded, "I didn't know that she was nasty. I hope she is OK. ...""   https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/31/politics/donald-trump-meghan-markle-nasty-boris-johnson-good-prime-minister/index.html

4 minutes ago, tropo said:

One lie.

 

Twitter fact checker: "Trump falsely claimed that mail-in ballots would lead to a 'Rigged Election'... Fact-checkers say there is no evidence that mail-in ballots are linked to voter fraud."

 

This is the lie, as there is lots of evidence of absentee voter fraud for anyone that cares to look for it, and it's surprisingly easy to find.

 

The following site lists 1071 proven instances of voter fraud.

 

https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/whitehouse.gov/files/docs/pacei-voterfraudcases.pdf

 

The one we are looking for is: FRAUDULENT USE OF ABSENTEE BALLOTS.

 

If you scroll down, you will find many cases of this particular type of voter fraud. They are listed by state. I scrolled down to G: Georgia and counted 47 cases of absentee ballot fraud. Some people were charged and sent to prison. In some cases they won an election as a result of this fraud.

 

Here are some examples:

=====================================================================================================

Olivia Lee Reynolds

OUTCOME: CRIMINAL CONVICTION

Fraudulent Use of Absentee Ballots Olivia Lee Reynolds was convicted of 24 counts of voter fraud. While working on the 2013 campaign for her boyfriend, Dothan City Commissioner Amos Newsome, Reynolds filled out voters’ ballots for them and told others for whom to vote. Her fraud had definite consequences: Commissioner Newsome won reelection by a mere 14 votes, losing the in-person vote by a wide margin but winning an incredible 96 percent of the absentee vote. Newsome himself faced pressure to resign as a consequence. Reynolds was sentenced to serve six months in a community corrections facility. She is appealing the conviction.

 

Karen Tipton Berry

OUTCOME: CRIMINAL CONVICTION

Fraudulent Use of Absentee Ballots Ms. Berry pleaded guilty and received a two-year suspended sentence. The former Pike County Commissioner narrowly won--and then lost--her 2008 reelection bid when 10 absentee ballots were found to have been fraudulently cast in the election. Ms. Berry was charged with mailing an illegal absentee ballot.

 

Connie Tyree, Frank “Pinto” Smith, Booker Cooke, Jr., Flephus Hardy, Garria Spencer, Althenia Spencer, Racing Commissioner Lester “Bop” Brown, and Spiver Gordon

OUTCOME: CRIMINAL CONVICTION

Fraudulent Use of Absentee Ballots The Birmingham Office of the U.S. Attorney and the Alabama Attorney General conducted an extensive joint investigation of absentee ballot fraud allegations in Greene County in the November 1994 election. By the end of the investigation, nine defendants pleaded guilty to voter fraud and two others were found guilty by a jury. The defendants included Greene County commissioners, officials, and employees; a racing commissioner; a member of the board of education; a Eutaw city councilman; and other community leaders. The conspiracy included using an assembly line to mass produce forged absentee ballots meant to swing elections in favor of preferred candidates

==================================================================================================

 

Fair enough, but really a defection as we are talking to national Presidential elections. trump's claim of extensive mail-in voter fraud is total rubbish including his other ridiculous claims e.g.

 

As MIT elections scholar Charles Stewart and National Vote At Home Institute CEO Amber McReynolds, two leading experts on voting by mail, said in an April op-ed, those figures come out to 7.1 cases per year nationwide and an average of three convictions per state in the past 20 years, accounting for just 0.00006% of all votes cast in that time.

 

Some hair splitting, but a good investigation into factual info.

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/twitters-first-fact-check-on-trumps-voting-tweets-was-misleading-2020-5?r=US&IR=T

 

 

10 minutes ago, tropo said:

One lie.

 

Twitter fact checker: "Trump falsely claimed that mail-in ballots would lead to a 'Rigged Election'... Fact-checkers say there is no evidence that mail-in ballots are linked to voter fraud."

 

This is the lie, as there is lots of evidence of absentee voter fraud for anyone that cares to look for it, and it's surprisingly easy to find.

 

The following site lists 1071 proven instances of voter fraud.

 

https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/whitehouse.gov/files/docs/pacei-voterfraudcases.pdf

 

The one we are looking for is: FRAUDULENT USE OF ABSENTEE BALLOTS.

 

If you scroll down, you will find many cases of this particular type of voter fraud. They are listed by state. I scrolled down to G: Georgia and counted 47 cases of absentee ballot fraud. Some people were charged and sent to prison. In some cases they won an election as a result of this fraud.

 

If the link you provide is giving correct numbers it only proves that absentee voter fraud is a very minor problem. Examples from your link starting at the top (which does not indicate which party was favored by the fraudster):

Alabama: 14 cases

Alaska: 2 cases

Arizona : 20 cases

Arkansas: 3 cases

 

"In some cases they won an election as a result of this fraud"

 

Care to back up that claim with facts?

 

 

22 minutes ago, tropo said:

One lie.

 

Twitter fact checker: "Trump falsely claimed that mail-in ballots would lead to a 'Rigged Election'... Fact-checkers say there is no evidence that mail-in ballots are linked to voter fraud."

 

This is the lie, as there is lots of evidence of absentee voter fraud for anyone that cares to look for it, and it's surprisingly easy to find.

 

The following site lists 1071 proven instances of voter fraud.

 

https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/whitehouse.gov/files/docs/pacei-voterfraudcases.pdf

 

The one we are looking for is: FRAUDULENT USE OF ABSENTEE BALLOTS.

 

If you scroll down, you will find many cases of this particular type of voter fraud. They are listed by state. I scrolled down to G: Georgia and counted 47 cases of absentee ballot fraud. Some people were charged and sent to prison. In some cases they won an election as a result of this fraud.

 

Here are some examples:

=====================================================================================================

Olivia Lee Reynolds

OUTCOME: CRIMINAL CONVICTION

Fraudulent Use of Absentee Ballots Olivia Lee Reynolds was convicted of 24 counts of voter fraud. While working on the 2013 campaign for her boyfriend, Dothan City Commissioner Amos Newsome, Reynolds filled out voters’ ballots for them and told others for whom to vote. Her fraud had definite consequences: Commissioner Newsome won reelection by a mere 14 votes, losing the in-person vote by a wide margin but winning an incredible 96 percent of the absentee vote. Newsome himself faced pressure to resign as a consequence. Reynolds was sentenced to serve six months in a community corrections facility. She is appealing the conviction.

 

Karen Tipton Berry

OUTCOME: CRIMINAL CONVICTION

Fraudulent Use of Absentee Ballots Ms. Berry pleaded guilty and received a two-year suspended sentence. The former Pike County Commissioner narrowly won--and then lost--her 2008 reelection bid when 10 absentee ballots were found to have been fraudulently cast in the election. Ms. Berry was charged with mailing an illegal absentee ballot.

 

Connie Tyree, Frank “Pinto” Smith, Booker Cooke, Jr., Flephus Hardy, Garria Spencer, Althenia Spencer, Racing Commissioner Lester “Bop” Brown, and Spiver Gordon

OUTCOME: CRIMINAL CONVICTION

Fraudulent Use of Absentee Ballots The Birmingham Office of the U.S. Attorney and the Alabama Attorney General conducted an extensive joint investigation of absentee ballot fraud allegations in Greene County in the November 1994 election. By the end of the investigation, nine defendants pleaded guilty to voter fraud and two others were found guilty by a jury. The defendants included Greene County commissioners, officials, and employees; a racing commissioner; a member of the board of education; a Eutaw city councilman; and other community leaders. The conspiracy included using an assembly line to mass produce forged absentee ballots meant to swing elections in favor of preferred candidates

==================================================================================================

 

SEE!?!?!? YOU CAN DO IT...FIGHT THE FACT CHECKING!!!!! Dont run from it....you had to go all the way back to 1994 but gosh darn it you found the basis to eradicate all mail in ballots!!!!! Fight it....the truth is out there Skully....

Edited May 28, 20206 yr by Tie Dye Samurai

4 hours ago, The Barmbeker said:

Yup...everyone who does not agree with or kisses the sphincter of Trump, is a hater!

Here is some news for you (not that you don't know that, already)

- he will NOT be able to shut Twitter down!

- electoral interference... that would be Faux "News" as well as OANN as well...and much more than Twitter.

So take your ridiculous outrage and take a long walk in fresh air, to clear your head!

Seems to me trump himself is a big danger/player in electoral interference. 

1 minute ago, simple1 said:

Fair enough, but really a defection as we are talking to national Presidential elections. trump's claim of extensive mail-in voter fraud is total rubbish including his other ridiculous claims e.g.

 

As MIT elections scholar Charles Stewart and National Vote At Home Institute CEO Amber McReynolds, two leading experts on voting by mail, said in an April op-ed, those figures come out to 7.1 cases per year nationwide and an average of three convictions per state in the past 20 years, accounting for just 0.00006% of all votes cast in that time.

 

Some hair splitting, but a good investigation into factual info.

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/twitters-first-fact-check-on-trumps-voting-tweets-was-misleading-2020-5?r=US&IR=T

 

 

I showed cases where people were caught and convicted. This is probably the tip of the iceberg... and with the level of hatred for Trump and desperation to remove him, it could be done at a very high level and change the balance in some close states.

 

 

 

 

2 hours ago, Logosone said:

It's a little known policy of MENSA to send it's best and brightest to post on TVF for at least 8 hours a day. Don't tell anyone.

I'm curious, how long have you belonged to MENSA?

 

Are you a member of Intertel?

 

The frauds got caught. Seem the election system is working fine and reliable. 

 

27 minutes ago, tropo said:

One lie.

 

Twitter fact checker: "Trump falsely claimed that mail-in ballots would lead to a 'Rigged Election'... Fact-checkers say there is no evidence that mail-in ballots are linked to voter fraud."

 

This is the lie, as there is lots of evidence of absentee voter fraud for anyone that cares to look for it, and it's surprisingly easy to find.

 

The following site lists 1071 proven instances of voter fraud.

 

https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/whitehouse.gov/files/docs/pacei-voterfraudcases.pdf

 

The one we are looking for is: FRAUDULENT USE OF ABSENTEE BALLOTS.

 

If you scroll down, you will find many cases of this particular type of voter fraud. They are listed by state. I scrolled down to G: Georgia and counted 47 cases of absentee ballot fraud. Some people were charged and sent to prison. In some cases they won an election as a result of this fraud.

 

Here are some examples:

=====================================================================================================

Olivia Lee Reynolds

OUTCOME: CRIMINAL CONVICTION

Fraudulent Use of Absentee Ballots Olivia Lee Reynolds was convicted of 24 counts of voter fraud. While working on the 2013 campaign for her boyfriend, Dothan City Commissioner Amos Newsome, Reynolds filled out voters’ ballots for them and told others for whom to vote. Her fraud had definite consequences: Commissioner Newsome won reelection by a mere 14 votes, losing the in-person vote by a wide margin but winning an incredible 96 percent of the absentee vote. Newsome himself faced pressure to resign as a consequence. Reynolds was sentenced to serve six months in a community corrections facility. She is appealing the conviction.

 

Karen Tipton Berry

OUTCOME: CRIMINAL CONVICTION

Fraudulent Use of Absentee Ballots Ms. Berry pleaded guilty and received a two-year suspended sentence. The former Pike County Commissioner narrowly won--and then lost--her 2008 reelection bid when 10 absentee ballots were found to have been fraudulently cast in the election. Ms. Berry was charged with mailing an illegal absentee ballot.

 

Connie Tyree, Frank “Pinto” Smith, Booker Cooke, Jr., Flephus Hardy, Garria Spencer, Althenia Spencer, Racing Commissioner Lester “Bop” Brown, and Spiver Gordon

OUTCOME: CRIMINAL CONVICTION

Fraudulent Use of Absentee Ballots The Birmingham Office of the U.S. Attorney and the Alabama Attorney General conducted an extensive joint investigation of absentee ballot fraud allegations in Greene County in the November 1994 election. By the end of the investigation, nine defendants pleaded guilty to voter fraud and two others were found guilty by a jury. The defendants included Greene County commissioners, officials, and employees; a racing commissioner; a member of the board of education; a Eutaw city councilman; and other community leaders. The conspiracy included using an assembly line to mass produce forged absentee ballots meant to swing elections in favor of preferred candidates

==================================================================================================

 

Examples of absentee ballot fraud, in cooperation with local officials. Here we're talking about national elections.

Are in the US mail in ballots and absentee ballots the same btw?

1 minute ago, tropo said:

I showed cases where people were caught and convicted. This is probably the tip of the iceberg... and with the level of hatred for Trump and desperation to remove him, it could be done at a very high level and change the balance in some close states.

In other words no facts to back up your assertion of lies by twitter fact checks

45 minutes ago, KhunFred said:

Astounding lack of knowledge of constitutional limits on the power of the presidency. Media outlets can't be closed by a President. Trump saw what they do in North Korea and got excited. This is just one reason why a failed casino operator is unqualified for the office of Chief Executive.

Not just North Korea, but China and Russia as well.

I think the hydroxychloroquine is taking a serious toll.

 

The man has gone from being simply a vacuous loon to becoming a manic autocrat.

 

10 minutes ago, stevenl said:

 

Are in the US mail in ballots and absentee ballots the same btw?

How would you suggest absentee ballots should be sent? Carrier pigeons?

1 minute ago, tropo said:

I showed cases where people were caught and convicted. This is probably the tip of the iceberg... and with the level of hatred for Trump and desperation to remove him, it could be done at a very high level and change the balance in some close states.

If you dig deeply you might be able to show cases of small, local elections being influenced by voter fraud.  However you can't show examples of large election results being changed.

 

"probably the tip of the iceberg".  On what do you base this assumption?  How would one orchestrate large scale voter fraud undetected?

 

Let's see; affluent people, mostly well-off retirees, with summer and winter residences could easily vote in more than one state, but these are typically conservative sorts.  Let's not look to closely at this possibility.

 

I know; let's assume than illegal immigrants, those who strive to avoid attention and have much to lose by unnecessary involvement with government affairs, will commit a federal felony in a long-shot attempt to influence a national election. 

 

To make this credible, let's assume that there is some sinister and well hidden organization that can make this worthwhile for these low key individuals to risk everything in a foolish attempt to vote, and do so without being caught.

 

Yeah, that's what Trump supporters want to believe.

 

 

53 minutes ago, KhunFred said:

Astounding lack of knowledge of constitutional limits on the power of the presidency. Media outlets can't be closed by a President. Trump saw what they do in North Korea and got excited. This is just one reason why a failed casino operator is unqualified for the office of Chief Executive.

 

It sounds, prior to any formal order from Trump, like they're mainly talking about trying to revoke a current liability shield that exists in federal law for social media companies... Something that presumably would require action by both houses of Congress.

 

However, if I recall, I read an article a while back that actually, the president under a state of emergency (in this case coronavirus) could have pretty sweeping authority over the internet, should a president decide to try to invoke that.

 

Quote

If Trump decides to build a great firewall, he may not need Congress. Section 606 of the Communications Act of 1934 provides emergency powers to seize control of communications facilities if the president declares there is a "war or threat of war" or "a state of public peril." In 2010, a Senate report concluded that section 606 "gives the President the authority to take over wire communications in the United States and, if the President so chooses, shut a network down." With a stroke of a pen, Trump could invoke it.

 

Quote

Section 606 has never been applied to the internet, but there is nothing in the law that explicitly says it cannot be.  The question is whether the government’s statutory authority over traditional telecommunications under 606 extends to the internet. 

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/seanlawson/2016/12/02/the-law-that-could-allow-trump-to-shut-down-the-u-s-internet/#7e759a994dac

 

 

13 minutes ago, tropo said:

How would you suggest absentee ballots should be sent? Carrier pigeons?

Same as in other countries, by friends, neighbors, etc.