Far-right and anti-racism protesters scuffle in London

[nausea]

Extremists, right or left, feed off each other, it's a symbiotic relationship. 

[TooBigToFit]

Thailand's far right controls the country. They've been removing the plaques and statues relating to Democracy for the last six year or so. They want to go back to the time before Democracy. They are just late doing it. It's the reverse of what is happening in the west right now where liberals are trying to get rid of the monuments relating to oppression and slavery. I bet there are other countries like Thailand which are actually raising statues of fascists and dictators. Look around this stuff is constantly going on around the globe.

[simple1]

1 hour ago, Loiner said:

Harassment? That's what the police were doing to somebody for politically motivated reasons. They tend to do it on many levels, such as targeting anti-government leaders, or even taking a biased position at rallies and protests. Guess what, they harass 'the right' while supporting 'the left'.   
 

Unfortunately my replies to people who post utter nonsense such as the above are deleted

[simple1]

2 hours ago, Loiner said:

Harassment? That's what the police were doing to somebody for politically motivated reasons. They tend to do it on many levels, such as targeting anti-government leaders, or even taking a biased position at rallies and protests. Guess what, they harass 'the right' while supporting 'the left'.   
 

Unfortunately this forum is swamped by supporters / sympathisers, to put it politely, of the right of centre. posting propaganda. Police were acting in accordance with legislation under the Terrorism Act; go and read the Court's decision on the matter. If the guy had complied to a lawful request he would have had no problem so long as the content on his phone didn't breach any laws.

 

Met Police in general biased towards protesters from the left, really? Though at the moment doubt they're enamoured with right wing protesters.

 

Prime Minister Boris Johnson has condemned today's far-right protests in London, which saw six police officers injured.

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/13/black-lives-matter-protests-london-statues-racism-churchill/

Edited June 16, 2020 by simple1

[Loiner]

1 hour ago, simple1 said:

Unfortunately my replies to people who post utter nonsense such as the above are deleted

Quite rightly so I suspect. 

Why do you post twice?

[pineapple01]

1 hour ago, simple1 said:

Unfortunately my replies to people who post utter nonsense such as the above are deleted

Why do some of these posts remind me of our Kids when they were 15/16 ish. It Aint Fair Mom tell him, , it just isnt, door slams etc.

[Loiner]

44 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Unfortunately this forum is swamped by supporters / sympathisers, to put it politely, of the right of centre. posting propaganda. Police were acting in accordance with legislation under the Terrorism Act; go and read the Court's decision on the matter. If the guy had complied to a lawful request he would have had no problem so long as the content on his phone didn't breach any laws.

 

Met Police in general biased towards protesters from the left, really? Though at the moment doubt they're enamoured with right wing protesters.

 

Prime Minister Boris Johnson has condemned today's far-right protests in London, which saw six police officers injured.

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/13/black-lives-matter-protests-london-statues-racism-churchill/

I would say it’s even more unfortunate that the forum appears to be swamped by supporters/sympathisers of the Left. TVF and it’s advertisers are probably satisfied with the increased traffic from either side. Others, well......

 

Terrorist charges for refusal to access a SIM is clearly politically motivated police harassment. No doubt about that.  Over the past couple of weekends the police have brazenly displayed that bias. 

 

Boris? Are you one of those who constantly label him as a liar? In this case maybe he is, but more likely just trying to calm the situation.

 

 

[yourauntbob]

Why is it all the headlines anymore classify anyone who doesn't drink the socialist kool-aid as "far right." It's crazy what the narrative has turned into.  If you protest being locked in your house you are considered "far right."  But I have yet to see a single headline about the "far left" who are burning down buildings.

[Rookiescot]

11 minutes ago, yourauntbob said:

Why is it all the headlines anymore classify anyone who doesn't drink the socialist kool-aid as "far right." It's crazy what the narrative has turned into.  If you protest being locked in your house you are considered "far right."  But I have yet to see a single headline about the "far left" who are burning down buildings.

Because the guys attacking the police are from the far right. 

 

[Billthekiwi]

Claimed racism is not always real. When you export a protest the real life situation in the 2nd country might not be the same.
If you have Antifa type folks leading these rallys then is not the ordinary citizen allowed to protest about the protest?

If I do, does that make me far right, when I'm just exercising my right to free speech as an ordinary citizen?
Mostly I think it's about power, influence and money in some countries.

Far right seems to be the catch cry of those Marxist liberals wanting to impose their views on the rest of the population. That and calling them a racist.
I'm fed up with it to be honest. I'll probably end up like the other old ba*tard who tripped and fell on his ars*.
Probably he should have been wearing a cycle helmet.
Note to self about that...

[evadgib]

1 hour ago, Billthekiwi said:

Claimed racism is not always real. When you export a protest the real life situation in the 2nd country might not be the same.
If you have Antifa type folks leading these rallys then is not the ordinary citizen allowed to protest about the protest?

If I do, does that make me far right, when I'm just exercising my right to free speech as an ordinary citizen?
Mostly I think it's about power, influence and money in some countries.

Far right seems to be the catch cry of those Marxist liberals wanting to impose their views on the rest of the population. That and calling them a racist.
I'm fed up with it to be honest. I'll probably end up like the other old ba*tard who tripped and fell on his ars*.
Probably he should have been wearing a cycle helmet.
Note to self about that...

This 'Far Right' lark is all the more ridiculous when aimed at people that are happily married outside their own culture/religion/Country with dual national kids.

 

Many years ago I recall a "Racist" case collapsing in the old Bailey when the bloke in question wrong footed the prosecution by calling his own wife in his defence. She until then had been completely overlooked & no one thought twice about his domestic situation, but the court erupted in fits of laughter when the door opened and.....in walked his ethnic Chinese wife whose very presence torpedoed the case against him in a one-er! ????

 

(She was so short that she couldn't see over the dock while trying to give evidence. No Judge could prevent the laughter that followed a ballsup like that!)

Edited June 16, 2020 by evadgib

[OZinPattaya]

This is journalism for you nowadays. The moral judgement is implied in the headline itself. Far-right vs. Anti-racist. The implication being of course that being right-wing is inherently racist. Or that being left-wing is inherently non-racist. Is left-wing media so insecure about the journalism they are schlepping that they can't even muster a headline that isn't ludicrously biased? Okay, folks, before you even read the story, this is what you should believe. It's right there in the headline in case you just got a lobotomy.

[FarangULong]

10 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

I have no idea whether your numbers are correct, but lets say that they are (while I have no reason to dispute them, most people would cite credible references when they make such points) - does that in itself not concern you?

 

I can think of two possible explanations as to why black people commit a massively disproportionate amount of violent crime - either they are genetically predisposed to it (and, for the record, I do not believe that at all) or there are societal factors which play a major role in this. 

Ah yes, the good ole "it's because they're poor".

 

Actually there is more htan two Black & White factors, that can easily explain this, rather than just genetics or financial factors.

 

How about cultural issues? Such as having no male role models in the house hold, that show you how to be a man and earn a living? With the next step thus being looking up to older cousins or "rolemodels" in the form of "adult" (debatable) males in the neighbourhood, who have a lot of status symbols in the form of a slut on each arm, gold chains with diamonds, a new Benz, etc? Glorifying crime, drug dealing as a "way to make it" etc via movies and rap?

 

I previously stated where you can get the violent crime and murder stats from, in this thread. Ie the FBI's own website. Or a simple google search "race and crime in the united states". Some of those are very misleading though, with their "White" numbers, as SOME of them throw Latinos in with "White". While some Latinos are White (Criollos for example), most are certainly not.

[evadgib]

Another lightning arrest yet they still haven't caught the spray painters & arsonist who had a full week's head start on this latest one 

[yourauntbob]

4 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Because the guys attacking the police are from the far right. 

 

Not in the USA.  Plenty of lefty's beating up police all across the country.  Still not "far left" headlines

[yourauntbob]

4 hours ago, Billthekiwi said:

Claimed racism is not always real. When you export a protest the real life situation in the 2nd country might not be the same.
If you have Antifa type folks leading these rallys then is not the ordinary citizen allowed to protest about the protest?

If I do, does that make me far right, when I'm just exercising my right to free speech as an ordinary citizen?
Mostly I think it's about power, influence and money in some countries.

Far right seems to be the catch cry of those Marxist liberals wanting to impose their views on the rest of the population. That and calling them a racist.
I'm fed up with it to be honest. I'll probably end up like the other old ba*tard who tripped and fell on his ars*.
Probably he should have been wearing a cycle helmet.
Note to self about that...

You got a point.  they have called everyone racist soo much it no longer has meaning.  Now they need a new name to call people to silence them when they cant argue ideas.  "far right" seems to be the recent one of choice.  this way you need to first argue your way out of that classification and "prove" your not one of those dreadful souls.   

[OZinPattaya]

19 hours ago, Nigel Garvie said:

Wow, on the rampage tonight!

BLM is a vast, now worldwide, movement condemning injustice against black people.............its about race

Marxism is a political philosophy,  adhered to by a tiny insignificant bunch of academics and their students...............it is about equality of distribution of power and wealth. 

The idea of Marxists controlling BLM is like the idea of a rabbit controlling a train. 

But please, give me some evidence.

 

Hope not Hate's main activity was condemning rabid press like the Daily Seig Heil, for featuring endless twisted stories inspiring stupid ignorant people to hate immigrants. 

It appears that you would prefer Hate not Hope.

 

There's always and inevitably the appeal to sentiment. If you don't agree with my political worldview then you must support hate over hope. This is the emotional blackmail that lurks behind every self-loathing liberal. Because, make no mistake, they have no argument. So they have to appeal to your emotional sentiment every time.

[torturedsole]

19 hours ago, Nigel Garvie said:

The idea of Marxists controlling BLM is like the idea of a rabbit controlling a train.

The Marxists will jump on any train that's passing.  The BLM express has just arrived.  

[Crazy Alex]

Far-right and anti-racism protesters scuffle in London

 

Why isn't the term "far-left" used by the leftist media? Very strange. But hey, no liberal bias, right? LOL

Edited June 16, 2020 by Crazy Alex

[torturedsole]

Just now, Crazy Alex said:

Why isn't the term "far-left" used by the leftist media? Very strange. But hey, no liberal bias, right? LOL

Mere demonstrators, I'm afraid.

[samsensam]

14 minutes ago, torturedsole said:

Mere demonstrators, I'm afraid.

 

protesters not demonstrators

[englishoak]

12 minutes ago, samsensam said:

 

protesters not demonstrators

 

Marxist Activists thats all they are, most protesters are merely lemmings looking for something to make them feel instantly good about themselves, dont see anyone out protesting about the millions of blacks being hurt, killed and deplaced all over Africa, the ME and within their own community by their brothers and own kind.. oh no yet thats the massive invisible elephant in the room.  

[simple1]

 

10 hours ago, Loiner said:

<SNIP>

Terrorist charges for refusal to access a SIM is clearly politically motivated police harassment. No doubt about that.  Over the past couple of weekends the police have brazenly displayed that bias. 

 

Boris? Are you one of those who constantly label him as a liar? In this case maybe he is, but more likely just trying to calm the situation.

Again read the Court's decision rather than repeating ill-informed commentary, police acted within the law.

 

Nope, from memory haven't specifically commented on BJ.

 

Police brazenly displaying bias towards those demonstrating from the left of politics - rather than repeating without evidence - provide links where police took no action against those braking the law when they has sufficient resources available to respond.

Edited June 16, 2020 by simple1

[simple1]

9 hours ago, yourauntbob said:

<SNIP> have yet to see a single headline about the "far left" who are burning down buildings.

Given this topic is in reference to the UK and current protests, have the far left burnt down any buildings in the UK or indeed any political faction?

[simple1]

8 hours ago, Billthekiwi said:

<SNIP
Far right seems to be the catch cry of those Marxist liberals wanting to impose their views on the rest of the population. That and calling them a racist. <SNIP>

You are using the same behavioural style of language as the extreme left - both sides of the divide are equally guilty of 'wanting to impose their views'.

[OZinPattaya]

17 minutes ago, simple1 said:

You are using the same behavioural style of language as the extreme left - both sides of the divide are equally guilty of 'wanting to impose their views'.

Come on now, equally guilty? I'm trying to think of a single leftist person who got fired from their job, de-monetized or de-platformed on social media for expressing leftist beliefs or criticisms of the right wing. If you can think of one I'll counter with 50 of the opposite. "Cancel Culture" is distinctly a phenomenon of the Left. There have been several instances of this already with people who dared to criticize the BLM in the wake of the riots, an employee of the Federal Reserve to name but one. To pretend there is any semblance of equivalence here is silly

[cdemundo]

On 6/13/2020 at 11:14 PM, bannork said:

More patriots giving Nazi salutes in front of Churchill's statue. 

Hey morons, Churchill is revered for fighting the Nazis.

Thick as 2 short planks and a Greek outhouse.

They are saying "HEY MOE, LOOK AT THE GROUSE!" 

[metisdead]

Some off topic posts and replies have been removed.

[pineapple01]

There must be some mistake or every Football game worldwide have Nazi fans doing that ARM THING. AC/DC Fans do much the same gesture and they dont even know what planet their on.

[simple1]

2 hours ago, OZinPattaya said:

Come on now, equally guilty? I'm trying to think of a single leftist person who got fired from their job, de-monetized or de-platformed on social media for expressing leftist beliefs or criticisms of the right wing. If you can think of one I'll counter with 50 of the opposite. "Cancel Culture" is distinctly a phenomenon of the Left. There have been several instances of this already with people who dared to criticize the BLM in the wake of the riots, an employee of the Federal Reserve to name but one. To pretend there is any semblance of equivalence here is silly

Federal Reserve? - I assume you're talking about alleged events in the US. As this topic is in reference to the UK, please inform who from the right wing, not far right extremists, in the UK have been fired from their jobs for articulating their opinions; two or three examples, with links, is sufficient.