10 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Odd to see this spike being blamed on Trump's rally that didn't even happen yet. Is it possible the abandoning of social distancing and lockdown by the communist/BLM revolters has been the cause of this spike instead? I'm sure after praising and supporting the violent protesters for 2 weeks mainstream media can not be so crass as to whinge when the President holds his rally, that would be too ridiculous for words. Let's see.

And those insisting on gathering in churches? 

It is rumored hospitals are preparing for a spike in COVID-19+ve Trump supporters who attend his rallies.

 

It said they’ve even coined a name for the health crisis they expect to follow Trump’s ego boosting rallies.

 

A ‘Klandemic’.

Governor Ducey of Arizona has reversed himself. He forbade localities from imposing stricter requirements than did the state. Now in light of the skyrocketing increase in covid cases he's given them permission to do exactly that.

 

Arizona governor backtracks on mask rules as Covid-19 cases surge

Doug Ducey will stop blocking mayors from requiring masks but stops short of issuing statewide regulation

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/17/arizona-coronavirus-covid-19-governor-mayors

 

Maybe this is what finally convinced him?

Arizona reaches new highs for COVID-19 hospitalizations as cases continue to spike

Emergency department visits and counts of inpatient beds, ICU beds and ventilators in use for suspected and confirmed COVID-19 patients hit their highest-ever numbers Tuesday, according to hospital data.

The highest jump came in emergency department visits, with 1,093 suspected COVID-19 patients treated Tuesday, compared to 956 Monday...

 As of Tuesday, 85% of current inpatient beds and 83% of ICU beds were in use for COVID-19 and other patients.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona-health/2020/06/17/arizona-coronavirus-update-june-17-cases-and-hospitalizations-climb-again/3203916001/

Edited June 18, 20206 yr by johnpetersen

13 hours ago, stevenl said:

"Odd to see this spike being blamed on Trump's rally that didn't even happen yet."

'ahead of the rally' means the rally is not being blamed. Why do you even post things like that that are clearly not true?

He's following his president's lead.

20 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Odd to see this spike being blamed on Trump's rally that didn't even happen yet. Is it possible the abandoning of social distancing and lockdown by the communist/BLM revolters has been the cause of this spike instead? I'm sure after praising and supporting the violent protesters for 2 weeks mainstream media can not be so crass as to whinge when the President holds his rally, that would be too ridiculous for words. Let's see.

The spike couldn't be because there's more testing being conducted? 

4 minutes ago, Boon Mee said:

The spike couldn't be because there's more testing being conducted? 

Same as pregnancies, or so I hear it said.

10 hours ago, Ketyo said:

A COVIDIOT is someone who puts his own ego ahead of the lives of thousands of people...like the orange buffoon in the Whitehouse.

Please extend the definition to include a person who puts their faith in one such.

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/18/trump-says-some-wear-coronavirus-masks-to-signal-disapproval-of-him.html

 

20 minutes ago, bendejo said:

Please extend the definition to include a person who puts their faith in one such.

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/18/trump-says-some-wear-coronavirus-masks-to-signal-disapproval-of-him.html

 

He’s Nutzo.

 

But I guess that’s answered the question ‘will attendees to his ego boosting Petri dish rallies be wearing masks’?’

 

Only if they want to send a message to their leader they will.

1 hour ago, Boon Mee said:

The spike couldn't be because there's more testing being conducted? 

The highly increased hospitalisation rate can not be blamed on more testing.

 

Is it really so difficult to accept the infection rate had gone up?

1 hour ago, Boon Mee said:

The spike couldn't be because there's more testing being conducted? 

 

Now if we can just stop issuing Death Certificates no one will die, or so many people are saying.

 

I support the right to freely assemble, for everyone, including the president's supporters. They're intelligent enough to weigh the risks, so I say pack them in tight.

 

I'd like to see more people assembling to voice their beliefs: Proud Boys, Boogoloo, Klu Klux Klan and any Nazis left. Might as well get it out in the open.

 

 

 

 

2 hours ago, Boon Mee said:

The spike couldn't be because there's more testing being conducted? 

Not only have hospitalizations gone up, but the percentage of people being tested positive for having an active covid infection has gone sharply up in those states too.

Troll post and some replies removed

Well seeing somee excited people getting ready to watch JC... urrr The Donald

and his rah rah team, I expect a good sized surge in the C virus to hit Trump

supporters. In Canada, you do not see such a large mob, just for a political

rally. I doubt we will see something like woodstalk again either.

Good Luck America.. I will watch in July to see when deaths jump over 200 thousand

heading for 300 thou befoe November.

Geezer

So, I'm seeing articles like this

 

Quote

The Trump campaign has put out conflicting figures on how many tickets have been registered for their June 20 rally in Tulsa, with campaign manager Brad Parscale now claiming 800,000 people registered for tickets despite the venue seating just over 19,000.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/06/14/trump-campaign-manager-says-800000-registered-for-tickets-to-tulsa-rallybut-the-venue-only-seats-19200/

 

Then went to the website where tickets are issued, and it was still possible to sign up. 

 

Quote

On Sunday morning, Parscale claimed an enormous increase, tweeting, “just passed 800,000,” calling it the “biggest data haul and rally signup of all time by 10x.”

He said biggest data haul.  Draw your own conclusions on that.

 

 

3 minutes ago, Stargrazer9889 said:

Well seeing somee excited people getting ready to watch JC... urrr The Donald

and his rah rah team, I expect a good sized surge in the C virus to hit Trump

supporters. In Canada, you do not see such a large mob, just for a political

rally. I doubt we will see something like woodstalk again either.

Good Luck America.. I will watch in July to see when deaths jump over 200 thousand

heading for 300 thou befoe November.

Geezer

It's not a political rally, it is a cult where the followers are honouring their leader.

4 minutes ago, bendejo said:

So, I'm seeing articles like this

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/06/14/trump-campaign-manager-says-800000-registered-for-tickets-to-tulsa-rallybut-the-venue-only-seats-19200/

 

Then went to the website where tickets are issued, and it was still possible to sign up. 

 

He said biggest data haul.  Draw your own conclusions on that.

 

 

Agree, both very telling statements.

 

4 minutes ago, bendejo said:

So, I'm seeing articles like this

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/06/14/trump-campaign-manager-says-800000-registered-for-tickets-to-tulsa-rallybut-the-venue-only-seats-19200/

 

Then went to the website where tickets are issued, and it was still possible to sign up. 

 

He said biggest data haul.  Draw your own conclusions on that.

 

 

Agree, both very telling statements.

 

Sorry about the double.

Edited June 19, 20206 yr by stevenl

3 hours ago, mtls2005 said:

I support the right to freely assemble, for everyone, including the president's supporters. They're intelligent enough to weigh the risks..........

I think you overestimate them. If, at this point in time in 2020, you still think it's a great idea to attend a Trump rally to sing his praise and listen to his stream of incoherent drivel then weighing risks is an ability that's clearly beyond you.

23 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Good rally, encouraged and praised by MSM - no corona risk

 

Bad rally - stupid and dangerous for corona.

 

As  has been stated by others, all the rallies are foolish events. However, there is a significant difference in the attendee demographics. One group is young and less likely to suffer serious complications from Covid19. The other group is older,  more obese, and more likely to have chronic health conditions, all of which makes them more likely to suffer serious complications and death. 

1 hour ago, geriatrickid said:

As  has been stated by others, all the rallies are foolish events. However, there is a significant difference in the attendee demographics. One group is young and less likely to suffer serious complications from Covid19. The other group is older,  more obese, and more likely to have chronic health conditions, all of which makes them more likely to suffer serious complications and death. 

I saw live interviews and yes all of them are obese. Will that enthusiasm last after the virus is what I am wondering.

Some locals in Tulsa are suing to stop the rally from being held on the obvious grounds that it's a public health danger. Here's what the lawyer for the Arena said in defense of holding the event:

"Joseph Farris, an attorney for ASM Global, a Los Angeles-based company that manages the city-owned BOK Center, conceded that there were risks inherent in hosting such an event during a pandemic.

“We certainly agree that the CDC and other relevant medical experts believe that this type of event is ill advised,” Farris said. “No question about it."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/tulsa-arena-asks-trump-campaign-for-detailed-health-plan-as-oklahoma-supreme-court-hears-arguments-about-rally/2020/06/18/4e490308-b197-11ea-a567-6172530208bd_story.html

 

 

11 minutes ago, johnpetersen said:

Some locals in Tulsa are suing to stop the rally from being held on the obvious grounds that it's a public health danger. Here's what the lawyer for the Arena said in defense of holding the event:

"Joseph Farris, an attorney for ASM Global, a Los Angeles-based company that manages the city-owned BOK Center, conceded that there were risks inherent in hosting such an event during a pandemic.

“We certainly agree that the CDC and other relevant medical experts believe that this type of event is ill advised,” Farris said. “No question about it."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/tulsa-arena-asks-trump-campaign-for-detailed-health-plan-as-oklahoma-supreme-court-hears-arguments-about-rally/2020/06/18/4e490308-b197-11ea-a567-6172530208bd_story.html

 

 

If I am a local in Tulsa, I will move out for 2 weeks. The danger to public health is just too real and inevitable. 19,000 cheering rally goers in an enclosed venue and a few more thousand outside and most will not wear mask. Droplets, aerosolized and surface transmission all over the place. When the rally over, they will patronized surrounding facilities and will further spread the virus and most will be untraceable. Every person who has the virus will pass it on to 2 to 2.5 others and even higher when one sick person can infect 4.7 to 6.6 others. The multiplying effect will be catastrophic. In 2 weeks time after the rally, we will know the full extent of this foolish gathering to just massage Trump's ego. 

22 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

If I am a local in Tulsa, I will move out for 2 weeks. The danger to public health is just too real and inevitable. 19,000 cheering rally goers in an enclosed venue and a few more thousand outside and most will not wear mask. Droplets, aerosolized and surface transmission all over the place. When the rally over, they will patronized surrounding facilities and will further spread the virus and most will be untraceable. Every person who has the virus will pass it on to 2 to 2.5 others and even higher when one sick person can infect 4.7 to 6.6 others. The multiplying effect will be catastrophic. In 2 weeks time after the rally, we will know the full extent of this foolish gathering to just massage Trump's ego. 

Don'y worry. The infected BLM protest crowd will probably stay away. Good to see real campaigning start.  

18 hours ago, earlinclaifornia said:

I saw live interviews and yes all of them are obese. Will that enthusiasm last after the virus is what I am wondering.

No doubt the next stop will be Malibu or Santa Barbara. 

On 6/18/2020 at 8:25 AM, stevenl said:

"Odd to see this spike being blamed on Trump's rally that didn't even happen yet."

'ahead of the rally' means the rally is not being blamed. Why do you even post things like that that are clearly not true?

then why is it mentioned in the headline no less?

10 minutes ago, Damual Travesty said:

then why is it mentioned in the headline no less?

Has been explained quite a few times in this thread, have fun reading.

10 minutes ago, Damual Travesty said:

then why is it mentioned in the headline no less?

Egads you're missing the point! 

The point is that it's massively irresponsible to hold such an indoor rally in a city where its known that infections are currently rapidly rising. 

A rally like this is throwing oil on a fire. 

 

 

1 minute ago, stevenl said:

Has been explained quite a few times in this thread, have fun reading.

Yeah you can lead a horse to water. 

Sometimes "misunderstandings" are intentional. 

As everything comes down to it, please allow me to simplify: Donald Trump will win re-election. The Democrat party is over. It will never survive the national humiliation of the number of indictments that will come down. The constant anti-Trump drum beat will not stop his re-election, the polls are conceived to deceive. Law and order will be restored in the USA, his rallies will continue, regardless of Covid-19 the lock down will end, the economy of the USA will recover, and the world economies depend on the re-opening of the USA for their economies to also recover. All of this despite the wave after wave potentially of covid-19 and whatever new virus comes along. Quit crying! Big Shout out to my Brothers and Sisters who love Sky News Australia!

12 minutes ago, Damual Travesty said:

As everything comes down to it, please allow me to simplify: Donald Trump will win re-election. The Democrat party is over. It will never survive the national humiliation of the number of indictments that will come down. The constant anti-Trump drum beat will not stop his re-election, the polls are conceived to deceive. Law and order will be restored in the USA, his rallies will continue, regardless of Covid-19 the lock down will end, the economy of the USA will recover, and the world economies depend on the re-opening of the USA for their economies to also recover. All of this despite the wave after wave potentially of covid-19 and whatever new virus comes along. Quit crying! Big Shout out to my Brothers and Sisters who love Sky News Australia!

Allow me to simplify: I have nothing on the topic, so am going to put in an off topic rant about Democrats, covid-19 and anything else I can fit in.

On 6/19/2020 at 10:28 AM, bendejo said:

So, I'm seeing articles like this

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/06/14/trump-campaign-manager-says-800000-registered-for-tickets-to-tulsa-rallybut-the-venue-only-seats-19200/

 

Then went to the website where tickets are issued, and it was still possible to sign up. 

 

He said biggest data haul.  Draw your own conclusions on that.

 

 

Not surprising that the Liar-in-chief surrounds himself with people who have the same traits.