1 minute ago, AndrewMciver said:

 The minister in charge Grant Shapps tweeted the list himself. Doesn't include Thailand. 

 

Although it's fantastic news FCO advice says it's okay to travel to Thailand. Means insurance policies will be valid. 

 

Unless you go to cities on Thai/Malay border which they are still saying ' essential travel only '

1 minute ago, Scouse123 said:

 

Unless you go to cities on Thai/Malay border which they are still saying ' essential travel only '

I only planned to go to Nana Plaza. 

What a joke .           zzzzzzzzzzzzz

On 7/2/2020 at 4:02 PM, Brunolem said:

Why not 6.8 million visitors?

 

Maybe it's not a lucky number...

They just pull numbers out of a hat.

48 minutes ago, Scouse123 said:

 

Cheers,

 

Right, it is still not recommending visiting areas on the Thai/Malay border such as Yala, Pattani etc

 

I for one WANT Thailand on the list with all countries, and others in the region here such as Cambodia.

That was always the case.  Not for covid reasons.

 

No need to add Thailand to any other list.  You can travel from the UK to Thailand and back with out having to quarantine in the UK, and travel insurance is will now be valid.

 

Over to you Thailand.

49 minutes ago, LOS105 said:

Over to you Thailand.

Why is it "Over to you Thailand?" It's just Boris gaslighting the UK into thinking that things are getting back to normal.

Just now, KhaoNiaw said:

Why is it "Over to you Thailand?" It's just Boris gaslighting the UK into thinking that things are getting back to normal.

Things are back to normal. The world closing down because of a flu which has killed mainly the elderly in homes, who would have been dead anyway within 12 months due to natural causes.  Ridiculous.

40 minutes ago, LOS105 said:

That was always the case.  Not for covid reasons.

 

No need to add Thailand to any other list.  You can travel from the UK to Thailand and back with out having to quarantine in the UK, and travel insurance is will now be valid.

 

Over to you Thailand.

You can travel from the UK to Thailand, ..........and travel insurance is will now be valid.  Good!  ????

 

UK to Thailand and back with out having to quarantine in the UK, ..Seems there are a few lists, not on the list where we stay yet....and because that is the situation on departure, it may not be like that on the return. 

 

Hoping for more stability by Oct ,for someone who has a fully booked and everything paid for, once in a lifetime Holiday, and even more so for December (Dad's next trip, as there is no possibility for Aug now)

 

 

Just now, LOS105 said:

Things are back to normal. The world closing down because of a flu which has killed mainly the elderly in homes, who would have been dead anyway within 12 months due to natural causes.  Ridiculous.

It's not flu, more like pneumonia. And those old people probably paid their stamps and paid their social security all their working lives for proper health care. So have you spat on any graves lately? 

1 minute ago, UKresonant said:

You can travel from the UK to Thailand, ..........and travel insurance is will now be valid.  Good!  ????

 

UK to Thailand and back with out having to quarantine in the UK, ..Seems there are a few lists, not on the list where we stay yet....and because that is the situation on departure, it may not be like that on the return. 

 

Hoping for more stability by Oct ,for someone who has a fully booked and everything paid for, once in a lifetime Holiday, and even more so for December (Dad's next trip, as there is no possibility for Aug now)

 

 

I have end of August booked but no charge if I need to change the date.  The FCO website doesn't stipulate quarantine when returning from Thailand.  That's the only source that counts.

1 minute ago, KhaoNiaw said:

It's not flu, more like pneumonia. And those old people probably paid their stamps and paid their social security all their working lives for proper health care. So have you spat on any graves lately? 

Totally agree.  The over 70's should have been isolated in the beginning for 6 months and let the world carry on.  The amount of deaths caused by the lockdown will be much larger than deaths by covid. eg chemo treatment being stopped, screening stopped etc etc.  Hospitals in the UK have been empty while operations have been cancelled. 

3 minutes ago, LOS105 said:

Totally agree.  The over 70's should have been isolated in the beginning for 6 months and let the world carry on.  The amount of deaths caused by the lockdown will be much larger than deaths by covid. eg chemo treatment being stopped, screening stopped etc etc.  Hospitals in the UK have been empty while operations have been cancelled. 

 

The UK cases look worst because they are including mortality from setting in old people care homes and outside of hospital. 

 

Italy and Spain are not including those figures - instead they just report hospital mortality. This would then put it on par with the UK. France too was trying to report only report hospital mortality, but then had to bow to pressure to add care homes. But they still don't add figures from mortality in homes. 

 

The UK has made a huge fiasco of protecting it's elderly population. Basically old people in hospital (there for non covid reasons) were rushed back into care homes, meanwhile they probably contracted the virus from someone in the hospital. Then on top of that no restrictions were placed on those visiting people in care homes. And very few tests done on staff or on the actual people in the elderly home. Huge fiasco. 

Just now, AndrewMciver said:

 

The UK cases look worst because they are including mortality from setting in old people care homes and outside of hospital. 

 

Italy and Spain are not including those figures - instead they just report hospital mortality. This would then put it on par with the UK. France too was trying to report only report hospital mortality, but then had to bow to pressure to add care homes. But they still don't add figures from mortality in homes. 

 

The UK has made a huge fiasco of protecting it's elderly population. Basically old people in hospital (there for non covid reasons) were rushed back into care homes, meanwhile they probably contracted the virus from someone in the hospital. Then on top of that no restrictions were placed on those visiting people in care homes. And very few tests done on staff or on the actual people in the elderly home. Huge fiasco. 

Yes.  There could be huge scandal when the dust settles.  If it was proven that they were knowingly sent back to homes while covid positive.

8 minutes ago, LOS105 said:

Yes.  There could be huge scandal when the dust settles.  If it was proven that they were knowingly sent back to homes while covid positive.

And they'd just carried out Cygnus in 2016 and ignored all recommendations.not published the conclusions as they were "too terrifying". 
 

Edited July 3, 20206 yr by KhaoNiaw
Not accurate

On 7/2/2020 at 10:08 AM, Brunolem said:

Why "small" agencies?

 

Why would tourists accept travel restrictions similar to those imposed in countries such as North Korea or the former Soviet Union, rather than wait for things to go back to normal?

 

And only on Thai routes. Should help with their troubles.

4 minutes ago, KhaoNiaw said:

And they'd just carried out Cygnus in 2016 and ignored all recommendations.not published the conclusions as they were "too terrifying". 
 

Interesting.  I wasn't aware of this.  UK Gov was going for the herd immunity approach at the beginning but the MSM were screaming too loud and Boris buckled.  

 

"According to the Telegraph, the exercise led to assumptions that a "herd immunity" approach would be the best response to a similar epidemic"

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exercise_Cygnus

9 minutes ago, LOS105 said:

  UK Gov was going for the herd immunity approach at the beginning but the MSM were screaming too loud and Boris buckled.  

I'd be interested if you could find a single peer-reviewed paper from a recognized scientific journal that references herd immunity without a vaccine.

29 minutes ago, LOS105 said:

Yes.  There could be huge scandal when the dust settles.  If it was proven that they were knowingly sent back to homes while covid positive.

Yes, many homes were not geared up to deal with a Covid infected person, though some care homes stood their ground and said no way were they taking more in. O.N.S. were saying today on the news that the stats suggest more of a problem where the staff would not receive sick pay, so they turned up for work, even if they felt unwell, one tv news report put that as about 12% of staff (have to feed the kids and keep paying the bills). The other thing was organisational structures that had staff rostered to multiple care homes. It just compounded the transmission rate.

On 7/2/2020 at 4:02 PM, Brunolem said:

Why not 6.8 million visitors?

 

Maybe it's not a lucky number...

My explanation is, that they expect only one sixth of last year's number, meaning 6.66 million, which they simply rounded up.

On 7/2/2020 at 3:37 PM, webfact said:

World Health Organisation (WTO).

Same same but different 

1 hour ago, KhaoNiaw said:

I'd be interested if you could find a single peer-reviewed paper from a recognized scientific journal that references herd immunity without a vaccine.

Strange, that Sweden, which has a similar strategy as Britain had in the beginning, is not on the UK's no-quarantine-upon-arrival list.

Edited July 3, 20206 yr by StayinThailand2much

4 hours ago, LOS105 said:

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-countries-and-territories-exempt-from-advice-against-all-but-essential-international-travel

 

BBC are wrong. 

 

Bbc was not wrong per se, gov.uk site screwed up and has two different lists on two separate pages. Shambolic. Bbc linked to the wrong page.

 

but bbc is pretty carp anyway ;^)

Just now, MRToMRT said:

Bbc was not wrong per se, gov.uk site screwed up and has two different lists on two separate pages. Shambolic. Bbc linked to the wrong page.

 

but bbc is pretty carp anyway ;^)

indeed, very fishy... 

1 hour ago, KhaoNiaw said:

I'd be interested if you could find a single peer-reviewed paper from a recognized scientific journal that references herd immunity without a vaccine.

 

Boris Johnson went on national televison and said a possibility was they could let the disease spread amongst the population. His chief scientific advisor said the same thing. 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOHiaPwtGl4

 

UK locked down too late, everybody could see it. They saw what was happening in China and then Italy and just let it run rife. Sporting events, large crowded events, concerts were still going on. The modelling was mistakenly done on the standard flu virus. 

 

It didn't take James Bond to realise that when China were building mass scale hospitals in a week, closing down a city the size of London that it wasn't for a bloody flu.  

 

 

Edited July 3, 20206 yr by AndrewMciver

On 7/2/2020 at 5:10 PM, tribalfusion001 said:

The infographic I saw said covid free for 60 days, where in the world is covid free for 60 days. The countries mentioned are not covid free for 30 days, China, Japan and South Korea are having outbreaks at present. It also said the trips would be for 6/7 days, not worth it even for tourists from those countries.

They will, no doubt, separate China into provinces rather than the whole country, then let in 1,000 tourists per "virus-free" province, i.e. 30x 1,000...

 

And as for 6/7 days; how much time does the average Chinese tourist spend in Thailand?

 

Seriously, the Chinese could nuke Bangkok, or export a virus that kills 80% of the population here, but the Thais would still prefer them over anyone else...

Edited July 3, 20206 yr by StayinThailand2much

8 minutes ago, StayinThailand2much said:

They will separate China into provinces rather than the whole country, then let in 1,000 tourists per province.

Pretty much. All this geared up on allowing in Chinese tourists.

 

The whole scenario is they let Chinese tourists in. The Chinese return in huge numbers, and all is well, then they will be happy. If Chinese tourists don't come in large number numbers, then they may turn to the likes of us - the unwashed - out of desperation. 

Edited July 3, 20206 yr by AndrewMciver

Every time you think you have read the dumbest plan possible a new dumber plan surfaces...such as this one????

 

Thailand just keep your doors/borders closed as you have a wealth of no idea about what your doing

 

First just open to rich/famous/private jets

 

Next open but only allow xxx location??? Do you have any idea at all about what your attempting to prevent?

You think limiting tourist to areas automatically limits virus transmission to those locations,,,,,,

Will you ban Thai movement from those spots once reopened?

 

If virus suppression is what your actually attempting??  because knowing you.... my guess is your selling customers to the highest bidders

Edited July 3, 20206 yr by meechai

42 minutes ago, meechai said:

 

 

Next open but only allow xxx location??? Do you have any idea at all about what your attempting to prevent?

You think limiting tourist to areas automatically limits virus transmission to those locations,,,,,,

Will you ban Thai movement from those spots once reopened?

 

 

Exactly!

23 hours ago, lks7689 said:

China is a lot lower risk than America and Europe currently. The fact is the authorities are shutting down on first sign of outbreak now and their citizens are willing to listen and obey. Compare that with what's happening in USA now, this pandemic is going to be here for a long time. 

The real fact is China is neither America or Europe they are first and foremost a Communist country if you ever lived there which I have don't let the cheap products being made make you think differently. That being said when they say we are shutting down it is shut down and it isn't that the people are listening as you noted yourself it is more " obey " that is the difference between China and mainly the rest of the world.

 

Regardless of China being an Communist country I do believe they have a lower rate although they aren't giving the whole truth they are lower for the reason I noted above. When it comes to China and the rest of the world we are comparing Apple and Oranges.  Good or bad at times having too much Freedom and Democracy can be a bad thing because of that the pandemic is going to be here for a long time. China will be the first to get the vaccine since they are ahead of stealing the information and testing without any of the FDA mandates currently on their prison population if they make it through the testing their sentence is reduced?????

Edited July 4, 20206 yr by thailand49

18 hours ago, D B Cooper said:

Thailand needs tourism. Should consider accepting tourists with confirmed Covid-19 antibodies. Letting in tourists who have already had the disease and are over it, is a no-risk strategy. 

 

 

The problems with all these "plans" and speculation is they all assume tourists want to travel to Thailand.

 

Obviously, all regular visitors to a Thai forum have connection and/or are interested and wanting to travel to Thailand.  However, if every member of this forum were to arrive in Bangkok today it would not impact the bottom line of the Thai economy one bit.  They need millions to make the trip.  And lets face it, the draw for average guy on the street with no experience or ties to Thailand is easy access and relatively cheap when comparing to other destinations.

 

No one is going to travel to Thailand as a first timer with all these hoops to jump through.  No one will return for a second visit with all the requirements as well as they have "been there done that" and know it is not worth the hassle.

 

Tourism is dead in Thailand until it is easy to get there and cheap again.