Hundreds of scientists say coronavirus is airborne, ask WHO to revise recommendations: NYT

[Krataiboy]

8 hours ago, ezzra said:

While most people, if not all in Thailand are wearing face masks, many countries has ditched them long ago and for go social distancing and use of alcogel and the results shows, when will they wake up that this is not a snuffle and some sort of a cold and take it seriously until a vaccine will be found and available...

A few salient facts to counter the ongoing fear-mongering.

 

1 Face masks are not obligatory in countries which understand the science which says a mask offers little protection against viruses and can cause potentially serious harm to the wearer.

 

2 The COVID 19 virus is hardly a threat at all to 99.5% of the population, while the average age of death is two to four years longer than the average lifespan.

 

3 There is not a single verified case of reinfection in the world, which implies that immunity is easily acquired and, so far, sustained. Latest research shows that herd immunity may be achieved when as few as 30 percent of a given population have survived infection

 

4 There are no vaccines against rapidly evolving coronaviruses like SARS-cov-2, of which there are already more than 100 strains. In any case, if proper, rigorous testing is done, it can take two years to bring a COVID vaccine to market - by which time the present pandemic will be history.

Edited July 6, 2020 by Krataiboy

[Tie Dye Samurai]

7 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

Competent leadership does not lead to a jurisdiction being the worse hot spot of COVID-19 on the planet. But thanks for a good laugh.

Competent leadership should have started at the very top in the Executive branch..where the national response (if you want to call hiding behind and blaming governors not in your party and forcing the nation to go in 50 different directions and bid against themselves for PPE) has been bungled, and lied about as recently as VP Pence last week: "We have flattened the curve". Now POTUS is ignoring the pandemic because it does not play well to his failing re-election campaign.

 

New York went into their wave with far less knowledge and experience than what the fine governors of Texas, Arizona and Florida enjoy now.  Their responses have been FAR WORSE given the knowledge of the virus with New York's experience and the added time they had to prepare. (Unless you call opening up and a month later watching your spike surge like Mt Everest and then closing back down again "success") All the while POTUS wont wear a mask, has huge gatherings where his sheep dont wear masks either and gets his Barbie Doll mouthpiece to call "hot spots"....oh...LIKE THE STATE OF TEXAS AND THE CITY OF HOUSTON...."embers". 

 

Competent leadership...the man wanted to open up the whole nation on EASTER...and inject some disinfectant for "a good cleaning"...November cannot come soon enough.

 

[johnpetersen]

Here is an excerpt from and a  link to an excellent article from nature.com.

Nature is one of the world preeminent publishers of scientific research

 

The World Health Organization says the evidence is not compelling, but scientists warn that gathering sufficient data could take years and cost lives.

"When public health officials say there isn't sufficient evidence to say that SARS-CoV-2 is airborne, they specifically mean transported in virus-laden aerosols smaller than 5 micrometres in diameter. Compared with droplets, which are heftier and thought to travel only short distances after someone coughs or sneezes before falling to the floor or onto other surfaces, aerosols can linger in the air for longer and travel further...

And if SARS-CoV-2 is transmitting in aerosols, it is possible that virus particles can build up over time in enclosed spaces or be transmitted over greater distances."

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00974-w

 

[sezze]

I think some people fail to see the difference between airborne and can travel through air . It might look the same but it is very different , and much more dangerous if is is airborne .

Airborne means , aerosols can bring the virus over . A virus can stay "alive" long enough without lots of help of water particles ( aka saliva ) .

Can travel , means , any virus which can be transmitted through saliva can travel the distance of a few feet/meter and after that it is more then likely death .

Difference is transmission is huge , since supermicro droplets ( viral size ) can travel huge distance in the air and infect other people , and even can stay significant more time just floating around waiting for somebody to pick it up .

In both cases social distancing still work , and masks are better then no masks , but in case of airborne , if somebody in a unventilated room coughs , you might even get it when you are standing 10m away , or even come in the room 1 hour later .

[ThailandRyan]

1 hour ago, Krataiboy said:

3 There is not a single verified case of reinfection in the world, which implies that immunity is easily acquired and, so far, sustained.

Better look again. Just read about an 87 year old woman in a nursing style home who recovered from Covid only to be reinfected a second time. Her daughter is furious.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wbaltv.com/amp/article/she-cant-keep-fighting-off-that-disease-family-furious-after-87-year-old-tests-positive-for-covid-19-twice/33175130

Edited July 6, 2020 by ThailandRyan

[Krataiboy]

6 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Better look again. Just read about an 87 year old woman in a nursing style home who recovered from Covid only to be reinfected a second time. Her daughter is furious.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wbaltv.com/amp/article/she-cant-keep-fighting-off-that-disease-family-furious-after-87-year-old-tests-positive-for-covid-19-twice/33175130

Has it been verified? If so, it will be a first. The tests are notoriously unreliable. They often throw up positives for different corona viruses already in the bloodstream,.

 

[johnpetersen]

1 hour ago, Krataiboy said:

A few salient facts to counter the ongoing fear-mongering.

 

1 Face masks are not obligatory in countries which understand the science which says a mask offers little protection against viruses and can cause potentially serious harm to the wearer.

 

2 The COVID 19 virus is hardly a threat at all to 99.5% of the population, while the average age of death is two to four years longer than the average lifespan.

 

3 There is not a single verified case of reinfection in the world, which implies that immunity is easily acquired and, so far, sustained. Latest research shows that herd immunity may be achieved when as few as 30 percent of a given population have survived infection

 

4 There are no vaccines against rapidly evolving coronaviruses like SARS-cov-2, of which there are already more than 100 strains. In any case, if proper, rigorous testing is done, it can take two years to bring a COVID vaccine to market - by which time the present pandemic will be history.

Thank you for sharing that  information with us. Nothing inspires confidence quite as much as anonymity of sources. Please do not share that information with us. I want to believe.

[JackThompson]

9 hours ago, ezzra said:

While most people, if not all in Thailand are wearing face masks, many countries has ditched them long ago and for go social distancing and use of alcogel and the results shows, when will they wake up that this is not a snuffle and some sort of a cold and take it seriously until a vaccine will be found and available...

In my traveling around in recent weeks, I have found lots of non-mask wearing going on outside Bangkok. 

 

And in the city, the primary avenue for contageon would be public-transport - only large stadium-gatherings being in the same league - yet this was never controlled, with trains often being packed as normal.

[JackThompson]

1 hour ago, Tie Dye Samurai said:

Competent leadership should have started at the very top in the Executive branch..where the national response (if you want to call hiding behind and blaming governors not in your party and forcing the nation to go in 50 different directions and bid against themselves for PPE) has been bungled, and lied about as recently as VP Pence last week: "We have flattened the curve". Now POTUS is ignoring the pandemic because it does not play well to his failing re-election campaign.

And yet, when any national policy is advanced, he is "being a dictator."  Right?

[Tony125]

8 hours ago, Matzzon said:

 

Out of the 2 post above you seem to be very unaware of the news related to learning. Already at an early stage of the pandemic it was informed of that the virus can spread through air for about 10-20 meters in small droplets. In other words, they learned nothing new. They just want 15 minutes of fame by repeating what´s already known. No news at all.

They are not saying the same thing if you  read the actual article I post below. It's not just transmitted by droplets that fall to the ground after coughing/sneezing but lingers in the air as an aerosol. Not readily transmitted by touching surfaces.

 

239 Experts With 1 Big Claim: The Coronavirus Is Airborne

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/239-experts-1-big-claim-151916602.html?.tsrc=notification-brknews

 

The coronavirus is finding new victims worldwide, in bars and restaurants, offices, markets and casinos, giving rise to frightening clusters of infection that increasingly confirm what many scientists have been saying for months: The virus lingers in the air indoors, infecting those nearby.

[ianezy0]

I have to admit that I did not see one episode where Dick Turpin caught a virus. So there you go.

Edited July 6, 2020 by ianezy0

[jcsmith]

2 hours ago, Krataiboy said:

2 The COVID 19 virus is hardly a threat at all to 99.5% of the population, while the average age of death is two to four years longer than the average lifespan.

 

3 There is not a single verified case of reinfection in the world, which implies that immunity is easily acquired and, so far, sustained. Latest research shows that herd immunity may be achieved when as few as 30 percent of a given population have survived infection

 

4 There are no vaccines against rapidly evolving coronaviruses like SARS-cov-2, of which there are already more than 100 strains. In any case, if proper, rigorous testing is done, it can take two years to bring a COVID vaccine to market - by which time the present pandemic will be history.

2. That's not true unless you are talking about pure mortality rates. Even if we assume that the actual number of infections is 10x the official numbers (which is quite possible) the mortality rate would be at about the 0.5%. But that's dead people. There is a far higher number (5x or more) number of hospitalizations. And they are still discovering lingering effects on those who have had serious cases. 

 

3. That one is still up in the air and sounds like wishful thinking. There have been people who tested negative and then later tested positive but the general consensus is that those were not a reinfection. But while some diseases can only be acquired once that isn't the case for most things. In other corona virus' the immunity period can range from months to years but is generally not permanent. Considering that Covid-19 only started really spreading outside of China in the past few months it's way too early to know much there.

[SunsetT]

10 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

And the *experts* continue to make it up as they go.

No thats the politicians.

[bodga]

10 hours ago, ezzra said:

until a vaccine will be found and available..

"if"

[bodga]

7 hours ago, steven100 said:

wear a mask or catch covid19 ....   I have always said logic says wear the damn mask.

 

many things that seem  logical often arent.

[steven100]

2 minutes ago, bodga said:

many things that seem  logical often arent.

of course it's better to wear one than not wear one. 

[Matzzon]

58 minutes ago, Tony125 said:

They are not saying the same thing if you  read the actual article I post below. It's not just transmitted by droplets that fall to the ground after coughing/sneezing but lingers in the air as an aerosol. Not readily transmitted by touching surfaces.

 

239 Experts With 1 Big Claim: The Coronavirus Is Airborne

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/239-experts-1-big-claim-151916602.html?.tsrc=notification-brknews

 

The coronavirus is finding new victims worldwide, in bars and restaurants, offices, markets and casinos, giving rise to frightening clusters of infection that increasingly confirm what many scientists have been saying for months: The virus lingers in the air indoors, infecting those nearby.

Already talked about this in the thread.

[Tony125]

59 minutes ago, Tony125 said:

They are not saying the same thing if you  read the actual article I post below. It's not just transmitted by droplets that fall to the ground after coughing/sneezing but lingers in the air as an aerosol. Not readily transmitted by touching surfaces.

 

239 Experts With 1 Big Claim: The Coronavirus Is Airborne

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/239-experts-1-big-claim-151916602.html?.tsrc=notification-brknews

 

The coronavirus is finding new victims worldwide, in bars and restaurants, offices, markets and casinos, giving rise to frightening clusters of infection that increasingly confirm what many scientists have been saying for months: The virus lingers in the air indoors, infecting those nearby.

Scientists urge WHO to address airborne spread of coronavirus

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/scientists-urge-who-to-address-airborne-spread-of-coronavirus/ar-BB16mP9K?li=BBnb7Kz

[from the home of CC]

imo the real news here it is 'possible' that covid could be contagious in droplets small enough to be transferred throughout a buildings central air system and in fact some of the studies were from testing hospital wings for various levels of contagion. It brings up the idea that perhaps these systems need special air filtering.. 

[Krataiboy]

2 hours ago, johnpetersen said:

Thank you for sharing that  information with us. Nothing inspires confidence quite as much as anonymity of sources. Please do not share that information with us. I want to believe.

Believe what you like.

 

I'm certainly not going to mollycoddle you by citing the numerous sources of the information I posted. Do your own research and I'm happy to debate facts you come up with which dispute mine.

[Crazy Alex]

5 hours ago, johnpetersen said:

Here is an excerpt from and a  link to an excellent article from nature.com.

Nature is one of the world preeminent publishers of scientific research

 

The World Health Organization says the evidence is not compelling, but scientists warn that gathering sufficient data could take years and cost lives.

"When public health officials say there isn't sufficient evidence to say that SARS-CoV-2 is airborne, they specifically mean transported in virus-laden aerosols smaller than 5 micrometres in diameter. Compared with droplets, which are heftier and thought to travel only short distances after someone coughs or sneezes before falling to the floor or onto other surfaces, aerosols can linger in the air for longer and travel further...

And if SARS-CoV-2 is transmitting in aerosols, it is possible that virus particles can build up over time in enclosed spaces or be transmitted over greater distances."

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00974-w

 

Yes, most of us figured the evidence, if any, was weak. Thanks for confirming we were right.

[Phoenix Rising]

13 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

There are few to no scientists left, only political activists and propagandists.

Wrong again, there are plenty left. You really must do something about your woman's intuition. It's not working for you.

[Phoenix Rising]

11 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Yes, most of us figured the evidence, if any, was weak. Thanks for confirming we were right.

Who are "most of us"? Would that be trump's rabid base?

[pineapple01]

WHO is like Tourist thing of Thailand. Rather large but no one listens anymore to the bs.

[Crazy Alex]

15 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

Who are "most of us"? Would that be trump's rabid base?

Smart, thinking people with basic observation skills.

[Phoenix Rising]

2 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

Smart, thinking people with basic observation skills.

So definitively not trump's base then.

Edited July 6, 2020 by Phoenix Rising

[GalaxyMan]

But according to our Glorious, BEST-EVER President in ALL of History, or so he claims, the virus is mostly harmless! My guess is that there are at least 132,000 people in the USSA alone and their families and friends who just might disagree about how harmless it really is. ????

Edited July 7, 2020 by GalaxyMan

[johnpetersen]

16 hours ago, Krataiboy said:

Believe what you like.

 

I'm certainly not going to mollycoddle you by citing the numerous sources of the information I posted. Do your own research and I'm happy to debate facts you come up with which dispute mine.

Honorable people back up their claims.

Edited July 7, 2020 by johnpetersen

[johnpetersen]

13 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

Yes, most of us figured the evidence, if any, was weak. Thanks for confirming we were right.

Nonsense. There is observational evidence. The problem is that experimentation would be difficult. You know the expression better be safe than sorry? Apparently, you, like President Trump and governors who followed his lead, are unfamiliar with the phrase. Their foolishness has cost lots of Americans their lives and threatens to drive the economy back into reverse.

[Krataiboy]

3 hours ago, johnpetersen said:

Honorable people back up their claims.

They're not claims. They are facts. Stop being lazy and take up my challenge.