U.S. withdrawal from WHO over claims of China influence to take effect July 2021: U.N.

[candide]

6 hours ago, Traubert said:

Too little too late.

 

 

Maybe too late now, but not 4 years ago. Maybe too little, but maybe not as a part of a coherent and sustained policy. You know, the kind of policies China is consistently following with the silk road initiative.

[candide]

Trump is pathetic. He's just trying to divert attention from his own incompetence.

[simple1]

10 hours ago, Traubert said:

I believe its done with a vote amongst the 194(?) member countries.

Actually by the World Health Assembly Executive Board every five years.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Assembly#Executive_Board

[yellowboat]

15 hours ago, Srikcir said:

No competition from the US?

You mean like Trump abandoning Hong Kong to China's direct subversion? 

To be fair to the " very stable genius and self proclaimer", Britton is offering three million passports to the Hong Kong people, Taiwan and Japan are offering safe harbor as well.  Both places have plummeting populations, so they only gain from doing the right thing.  The Trump White House is possibly  waiting to see what happens next.  

 

I would agree that his condemnation of events in Hong Kong left something to be desired.   

 

[yellowboat]

22 hours ago, candide said:

Lol!

If it were up to them, there would be a Trans-Pacific Partnership in which the US would be able to efficiently fight China's economic influence in the region.

But instead, they created FACTA, which makes working overseas far less desirable.  And how would it "fight" China's influence?   Why didn't the US rally Europe to build rail to the far east?  Where are American high speed trains?  What is the state of American manufacturing might ?  Oh, its in China.  The US is trying to bring it back with a banking system that is only interested in consumption and NOT trade.   

 

We got an order some years ago and the customer said Hong Kong Bank wants to inspect the production.  The bank was financing the letter of credit, so they wanted to see what was going on.  US banks will need to come a long way to help the US compete with China.

 

Neither side of elected sociopaths really understand trade, unless it is about selling soy beans.  

[candide]

2 hours ago, yellowboat said:

And how would it "fight" China's influence? 

Alone, it wouldnot be enough. But by fostering other economic/business collaboration with an FTA, it could have been a first step to ultimately propose an alternative to the Belt Road initiative.

China has a clear geostrategic policy which is consistently being implemented step by step, over a long period of time.

The problem is that neither the US, nor the EU, currently have any consistent geostrategic vision and policy.

And Trump bragging B.S. will not change anything

 

 

Edited July 9, 2020 by candide

[Bkk Brian]

Gotta love this, WHO just set up a supposedly independent panel to review their handling of the covid crisis. Not so independent however...........

 

 

[katana]

1 year delay in quitting? Somehow, it's not going to get done.

[yellowboat]

16 hours ago, candide said:

Alone, it wouldnot be enough. But by fostering other economic/business collaboration with an FTA, it could have been a first step to ultimately propose an alternative to the Belt Road initiative.

China has a clear geostrategic policy which is consistently being implemented step by step, over a long period of time.

The problem is that neither the US, nor the EU, currently have any consistent geostrategic vision and policy.

And Trump bragging B.S. will not change anything

There is nothing in the collective US brain trust that is capable of restarting manufacturing, ending long wars that have no objective or engage in responsible budgeting.  Only the big government big business love affair will continue in the best fed most poorly read country in the world.   

[Traubert]

On 7/9/2020 at 7:31 AM, simple1 said:

Actually by the World Health Assembly Executive Board every five years.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Assembly#Executive_Board

Fair comment.

 

Pretty damning article in the Lancet on the subject today.

[metisdead]

Some more troll posts have been removed. 

[Bkk Brian]

20 minutes ago, candide said:

How did the WHO lie, precisely?

Being economical with the truth perhaps?

 

WHO admits China never reported the existence of coronavirus outbreak

 

WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus sought to downplay the early warnings about the outbreak that Taiwan says it provided to the organization and stressed that the "first report" came from Wuhan, where the outbreak is believed to have originated. Turns out that was a complete lie and WHO have admitted it by changing the official timeline of events.

 

"WHO found out about the coronavirus outbreak when Chinese media reports about an atypical pneumonia outbreak began to leak online"

 

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/who-admits-china-never-reported-the-existence-of-coronavirus-outbreak

 

Archived WHO timeline reporting China reported the outbreak on the 31st Dec https://www.who.int/news-room/detail/27-04-2020-who-timeline---covid-19

 

Updated WHO timeline https://www.who.int/news-room/detail/29-06-2020-covidtimeline

[candide]

12 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Being economical with the truth perhaps?

 

WHO admits China never reported the existence of coronavirus outbreak

 

WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus sought to downplay the early warnings about the outbreak that Taiwan says it provided to the organization and stressed that the "first report" came from Wuhan, where the outbreak is believed to have originated. Turns out that was a complete lie and WHO have admitted it by changing the official timeline of events.

 

"WHO found out about the coronavirus outbreak when Chinese media reports about an atypical pneumonia outbreak began to leak online"

 

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/who-admits-china-never-reported-the-existence-of-coronavirus-outbreak

 

Archived WHO timeline reporting China reported the outbreak on the 31st Dec https://www.who.int/news-room/detail/27-04-2020-who-timeline---covid-19

 

Updated WHO timeline https://www.who.int/news-room/detail/29-06-2020-covidtimeline

That's all you found? Hair splitting! So the Wuhan Health Commision made an official statement in the media and the WHO called it "reported".

Wow!

[Stadtler]

28 minutes ago, candide said:

Come on, not this debunked claim again. ????

This is news transmitted by WHO, not one of their official statements

Can't you read? The source (Chinese government) is clearly indicated, as well as the type of investigation (preliminary). It is also written "no clear evidence", which is different from "there is no". 

For someone pretending to be both a doctor and a lawyer, you seem to lack the sense of precision which is fundamental to these professions.

 

The same day (see my link from January 14), the WHO made (ITS OWN) statements warning of H2H transmission and has given guidance to hospital worldwide in case of spray.

If you can rephrase this trolling statement, Stadtler will respond.

 

"For someone pretending to be both a doctor and a lawyer, you seem to lack the sense of precision which is fundamental to these professions. "

[metisdead]

Some troll posts and the replies have been removed. 

[Bkk Brian]

2 hours ago, candide said:

That's all you found? Hair splitting! So the Wuhan Health Commision made an official statement in the media and the WHO called it "reported".

Wow!

A little more than hair splitting if the WHO archives its previous timeline and publishes a new one without an official statement.

[candide]

51 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

A little more than hair splitting if the WHO archives its previous timeline and publishes a new one without an official statement.

Because it is not an important change. To have an official statement published in the media is not significantly different from reporting it. 

[Bkk Brian]

22 minutes ago, candide said:

Because it is not an important change. To have an official statement published in the media is not significantly different from reporting it. 

Its a huge change, it proves China did not report this outbreak to WHO, breaking International Law. 

 

International Health Regulations (2005) (IHR) provide an overarching legal framework that defines countries’ rights and obligations in handling  public health events and emergencies.

 

The IHR are an instrument of international law that is legally-binding on 196 countries, including the 194 WHO Member States

Edited July 12, 2020 by Bkk Brian

[candide]

2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Its a huge change, it proves China did not report this outbreak to WHO, breaking International Law. 

 

International Health Regulations (2005) (IHR) provide an overarching legal framework that defines countries’ rights and obligations in handling  public health events and emergencies.

 

The IHR are an instrument of international law that is legally-binding on 196 countries, including the 194 WHO Member States

I never claimed China was clean. I was addressing the issue of WHO allegedly lying (up to a point that deserves defunding). You provided only a very minor example, which was likely not intended to be a lie.

 

China confirmed the information 3 days later. If it deserves to be sanctioned for that, so be it. That's the role of the member State's assembly.

Edited July 12, 2020 by candide

[Maestro]

Removed a troll post and the reply to it.

[Bkk Brian]

9 hours ago, candide said:

I never claimed China was clean. I was addressing the issue of WHO allegedly lying (up to a point that deserves defunding). You provided only a very minor example, which was likely not intended to be a lie.

 

China confirmed the information 3 days later. If it deserves to be sanctioned for that, so be it. That's the role of the member State's assembly.

Indeed, China had no choice in confirming the virus 3 days later as the information had already been intercepted via other routes:

 

"During an April 20, 2020 press conference, Dr. Ryan and Director-General Tedros were asked about Taiwan’s email notification. Dr. Ryan, as quoted earlier in this report, reveals that the WHO learned about the outbreak not from PRC authorities, but from a post on a U.S.-based website. When the moderator called on another reporter, Director-General Tedros interjected: Can I? I think Mike answered it very well but it[sic] just wanted to summarise. In its email on 31st December one thing that has to be clear is the first email was not from Taiwan. Many other countries already were asking for clarification. The first report came from Wuhan, from China itself…. So the report first came from China - that's fact number one [emphasis added] - from Wuhan itself.175 While it is technically true that the first reports of the virus originated in Wuhan, WHO headquarters staff initially discovered these reports on a U.S.-based early warning website. Director-General Tedros’ comments seem to suggest that Wuhan or the PRC informed the WHO of the outbreak, which is untrue."

 

A tangled web being promoted by Tedros

[candide]

2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Indeed, China had no choice in confirming the virus 3 days later as the information had already been intercepted via other routes:

 

"During an April 20, 2020 press conference, Dr. Ryan and Director-General Tedros were asked about Taiwan’s email notification. Dr. Ryan, as quoted earlier in this report, reveals that the WHO learned about the outbreak not from PRC authorities, but from a post on a U.S.-based website. When the moderator called on another reporter, Director-General Tedros interjected: Can I? I think Mike answered it very well but it[sic] just wanted to summarise. In its email on 31st December one thing that has to be clear is the first email was not from Taiwan. Many other countries already were asking for clarification. The first report came from Wuhan, from China itself…. So the report first came from China - that's fact number one [emphasis added] - from Wuhan itself.175 While it is technically true that the first reports of the virus originated in Wuhan, WHO headquarters staff initially discovered these reports on a U.S.-based early warning website. Director-General Tedros’ comments seem to suggest that Wuhan or the PRC informed the WHO of the outbreak, which is untrue."

 

A tangled web being promoted by Tedros

So, as far as I understand it, he said that WHO headquarter was first informed by an American website reporting the statements published in the Chinese media.

So he calls these statements 'report's, which is ambiguous. 

 

And, of course, the journalist from the Washingtonexaminer thinks that Tedros "seems to suggest". Even if true, it's not a big deal and not a valid reason for defunding the WHO.

[Bkk Brian]

41 minutes ago, candide said:

So, as far as I understand it, he said that WHO headquarter was first informed by an American website reporting the statements published in the Chinese media.

So he calls these statements 'report's, which is ambiguous. 

 

And, of course, the journalist from the Washingtonexaminer thinks that Tedros "seems to suggest". Even if true, it's not a big deal and not a valid reason for defunding the WHO.

Agreed, it not a reason to defund the WHO and I would have preferred that the USA stayed within and applied pressure that way instead, however the list of in-competencies by WHO keeps growing but they can be addressed and improved if the right leadership is in place, it is my opinion Tedros absolutely needs to go.

 

https://gop-foreignaffairs.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Interim-Minority-Report-on-the-Origins-of-the-COVID-19-Global-Pandemic-Including-the-Roles-of-the-CCP-and-WHO-6.15.20.pdf

Edited July 13, 2020 by Bkk Brian

[Eric Loh]

21 minutes ago, candide said:

So, as far as I understand it, he said that WHO headquarter was first informed by an American website reporting the statements published in the Chinese media.

So he calls these statements 'report's, which is ambiguous. 

 

And, of course, the journalist from the Washingtonexaminer thinks that Tedros "seems to suggest". Even if true, it's not a big deal and not a valid reason for defunding the WHO.

The early information exchanges were regular exchanges of medical intelligence in Dec by WHO Wuhan office and perhaps by CDC China staffs who reported of a cluster of atypical pneumonia cases in Wuhan. I would think there will be Investigations and laboratory testing being conducted to determine the virus and whether the respiratory pathogens were influenza, SARa, avian influenza or Mers. Subsequently Chinese authority admitted that the virus was novel and reported to WHO on 31 Dec. On hindsight, it is easy to critique the time-line but that really water under the bridge. What’s important was how individual country responded subsequently. 

 

[utalkin2me]

And are we supposed to believe Americans will suffer in some way not being part of that poor excuse of an organization?

 

Put the money you normally would have given WHO into a fund that helps American citizen health. Then let me know how much better or worse they come out of it going that route.