As a contrast to Florida's current situation....

 

so there is hope, assuming the governor breaks free of his leash.

 

New York City reports zero COVID-19 deaths for first time since pandemic hit

 

New York City on Sunday reported zero new coronavirus deaths for the first time since early March, a milestone that comes as the virus spikes in other parts of the country.

 

Preliminary health data from the NYC Department of Health and Mental Hygiene showed that no one died from the coronavirus in New York City on Saturday, the first time zero new deaths have been reported there since March 13, according to multiple reports.

 

Officials recorded no confirmed death the day before, too, but did report two probable deaths, according to NBC4. 

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/506983-nyc-reports-zero-coronavirus-deaths-for-first-time-since-start-of#.XwvCEAyedoM.twitter

 

 

 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/13/politics/donald-trump-florida-coronavirus-reopening/index.html

 

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(CNN)Florida's staggering new single-day US state record of coronavirus cases underscores how the aggressive opening strategy championed by President Donald Trump and allied governors is turning into one of the worst political and economic calls in modern history.

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Florida Rep. Donna Shalala, a freshman Democrat and former secretary of Health and Human Services under President Bill Clinton, said the virus was out of control partly because the governor, a Trump ally, would not tell everyone to wear masks, adding, "This is an American tragedy," in an interview with CNN.
 

Around 40 hospitals across Florida have no ICU beds available with more than 7,000 people in hospitals statewide with Covid-19.

 

 

 

6 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

As a contrast to Florida's current situation....

 

so there is hope, assuming the governor breaks free of his leash.

 

New York City reports zero COVID-19 deaths for first time since pandemic hit

 

CV deaths chart for NY from Johns Hopkins:

 

Good to hear.  That much closer to herd immunity.

7 minutes ago, Krataiboy said:

Delusion works both ways.

 

Do you know what this man actually died of? Or are you just assuming he was killed by the virus he may have picked up after "reportedly" attending a Covid party?

The fact that he himself told the nurse that “it was a mistake” to join the Covid party doesn’t sound like he died of a car accident. 

 

5 hours ago, Denim said:

 

Yes .....laws sometimes do that. Get over it.

 

Not being allowed to murder other people also infringes upon individual freedom . Lets scrap that law and just kill anyone who we fall out with or want to rob.

 

These people are like little children. Their sense of entitlement is unbelievable.

Not a fair comparison. Murder kills people, which is why it is illegal. There is no credible evidence to show not wearing a mask kills anyone, except possibly the wearer.

 

 

 

 

Just now, welovesundaysatspace said:

The fact that he himself told the nurse that “it was a mistake” to join the Covid party doesn’t sound like he died of a car accident. 

 

Deflection. What did he actually die of? Inference is not evidence.

5 minutes ago, Krataiboy said:

There is no credible evidence to show not wearing a mask kills anyone, except possibly the wearer.

Of course there is evidence that you spread much much more when you’re not wearing a mask, but should you ever have a surgery, please feel free to tell the doctors to not wear a mask. 

1 minute ago, Krataiboy said:

Deflection. What did he actually die of? Inference is not evidence.

That’s ok. If you want to believe that a 30yo guy who was admitted to hospital, told a nurse that he made a mistake going to a Covid party and died shortly later died of something else than Covid then you can believe that, of course. 

I wonder why no one treats this deadly disease like a deadly weapon?

If you know you have it and refuse to wear a mask? Carrying a deadly weapon in public without a licence gives you a huge fine.

Pass the disease to another person by not wearing a mask? Attempted murder. 

Passing the disease to someone who dies of the disease? Murder one. Premeditated murder. 

Once people realize it isn't them who is the center of the universe, it is the people they sicken and kill, perhaps people would be more careful.

6 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

oops...

 

Florida County Commissioner Who Voted Against Masks In Hospital With COVID 

 

https://www.newsweek.com/florida-county-commissioner-who-voted-against-masks-hospital-covid-1517121

Few hearts bleed. Inane is inane. Not following the most basic of precautions during a pandemic that is peaking is cavalier at best.

 

No doubt a republican trying to avoid embarrassing the master. Lives be damned. 

Just now, Purdey said:

I wonder why no one treats this deadly disease like a deadly weapon?

If you know you have it and refuse to wear a mask? Carrying a deadly weapon in public without a licence gives you a huge fine.

Pass the disease to another person by not wearing a mask? Attempted murder. 

Passing the disease to someone who dies of the disease? Murder one. Premeditated murder. 

Once people realize it isn't them who is the center of the universe, it is the people they sicken and kill, perhaps people would be more careful.

There are countries where not wearing a condom when you have HIV is a criminal offense, or even just removing the condom without the other person knowing. But I guess the science deniers and conspiracy theorists will soon tell us that HIV also is just a hoax because most people survive it and can also die from a car accident. 

16 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

That’s ok. If you want to believe that a 30yo guy who was admitted to hospital, told a nurse that he made a mistake going to a Covid party and died shortly later died of something else than Covid then you can believe that, of course. 

One can only be grateful you are not a registrar.

Just now, Krataiboy said:

One can only be grateful you are not a registrar.

Why? 

20 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Of course there is evidence that you spread much much more when you’re not wearing a mask, but should you ever have a surgery, please feel free to tell the doctors to not wear a mask. 

There are masks and masks. Surgeons wear masks in order not to contaminate sterile spaces such as operating theatres with bacteria. They are not proof against viruses.

Just now, welovesundaysatspace said:

Why? 

Think about it.

13 minutes ago, Krataiboy said:

Think about it.

I did. So? 

15 minutes ago, Krataiboy said:

There are masks and masks. Surgeons wear masks in order not to contaminate sterile spaces such as operating theatres with bacteria. They are not proof against viruses.

They act in the same way regarding viruses as they act with regards to bacteria. They heavily reduce the risk of a pathogen being spread. 

22 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

They act in the same way regarding viruses as they act with regards to bacteria. They heavily reduce the risk of a pathogen being spread. 

They don't.

 

To protect against viruses, you need an N95 mask, which is not the usual mask that doctors and nurses wear in hospitals...

 

A post in the Conspiracy-Pseudoscience category has been removed, and now a reply!!

 

Also a troll post

Which tests are used? Are they validated? What is the Gold standard?

 

Where‘s the isolated virus? Are Koch's postulates fulfilled?

How many tests, with wich specifity? 

Edited July 13, 20205 yr by yuyiinthesky

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

This website is anonymous, no credibility should be given to it.

 

"Swiss Policy Research completely lacks transparency as there is not a single name affiliated with the website. For example, an editor is not named and articles do not name an author. Further, they do not list a geographic location and the domain is registered privately. Finally, ownership is not disclosed."

It also states that the virus did not emerge from the wet market in China and that it could have been manufactured in the lab (most scientists disagree with those assertions). Their section on Florida and their great performance needs updating also lol

32 minutes ago, Brunolem said:

They don't.

 

To protect against viruses, you need an N95 mask, which is not the usual mask that doctors and nurses wear in hospitals...

 

So a surgical mask would not stop one expelling large virus-laden droplets when they sneeze or cough? I find that very hard to believe. 

5 hours ago, nobodysfriend said:

Lets have a Covid 19 party ... How stupid can one be ?

 

https://thethaiger.com/coronavirus/30-year-texan-dies-after-attending-a-covid-party

 

“Someone will be diagnosed with the disease, and they’ll have a party to invite their friends over to see if they can beat the disease. They don’t look really sick. But when you check their oxygen levels and their lab tests, they’re really sicker than they appear,”

The young Texan told a nurse caring for him… “‘You know, I think I made a mistake.”

She told reporters that the man considered the disease was a media hoax.

“He thought he was young and invincible and wouldn’t get affected by the disease.”

 

 

I won't call this a hoax or fake news. However, do look at the facts. This story has been widely reported by hundreds of media outlets. Absolutely NONE of them identify any facts about this party, other than it was in San Antonio.

 

How many people were at the party? Did anyone try to interview anyone else at the party? Did even a single reporter followup with friends and family of the deceased to find out how they feel about the party? Did anyone else at the party get sick? Is anyone else at the party going to get tested now? Has the state or any medical or research institution tried to contact this group to do followup testing to gather valuable insight about the nature of how this virus can spread in a youth population? A party like this is a perfect opportunity to do contact tracing, because a large percentage of the people are going to know someone else at the party, and like any social group, there is usually one super friend who knows hundreds of them and can contact all of them in an instant via social media.

 

These are basic questions and activities from journalism 101 that any genuine reporter would have attempted to ask. Worse, nobody at this alleged party has stepped forward to provide the other side of this story. Presumably, being a party of skeptics, there will be hundreds or thousands of skeptics who will not want to accept this media interpretation of events, and will be bending over backwards to discount it. That is human nature. Where are they?

 

Is this story fake news?  I don't know. I will say, that articles that are fake news and propaganda look exactly like this. So before simply accepting the veracity of this article, I want to see a lot more facts. I suppose it could be real and the journalist who broke the original story is simply exceedingly bad at his job, but this is exactly the kind of garbage that passes for news these days which causes so many people to lose faith in the institution.

 

Does nobody actually care about science and honesty any more today? Does everything have to be propaganda pieces to push an agenda?

 

7 hours ago, Siamjim said:

again more doom feed of MSM increases fears but  where's the report on decreased deaths. give the whole news not just cherry picks for the narratives

 

Increase in infections like to show 2-4weeks later.

Expect new increase in deaths.

20 minutes ago, DavisH said:

So a surgical mask would not stop one expelling large virus-laden droplets when they sneeze or cough? I find that very hard to believe. 

Why do you think there was this rush for N95 masks in the early stages of the pandemic? 

 

If these had been the usual day to day masks worn in hospitals, there would have been plenty in stocks. 

 

It is much easier, and frequent, to catch a nasty bacteria, than a dangerous virus, which is why they usually don't bother protecting from the latter in hospitals. 

Congratulations, Florida! I am sure that with the valuable help of the all-knowing and most intelligent president you CAN remain No 1 in the Corona deaths race. Do as your president says and america will stay the Best and  the Greatest when it comes to deaths of Corona and other stupid actions.

1 hour ago, Brunolem said:

They don't.

 

To protect against viruses, you need an N95 mask, which is not the usual mask that doctors and nurses wear in hospitals...

Even a normal surgery mask and even a plain cloth mask filters out droplets. So it does help preventing the virus to spread and therefore provides a level of protection. The fact that an N95 mask might be even better does not negate that, otherwise we could as well claim that N95 are useless because only a full body protection suit gives you 100% protection (and even then some might argue that there is still a small chance of spreading and contracting the virus so only staying at home works).  
 

If you want to see it with your own eyes, here are some videos:

 

https://youtu.be/pJ8PuUrOUAY

 

 

 

 

2 hours ago, Krataiboy said:

There are masks and masks. Surgeons wear masks in order not to contaminate sterile spaces such as operating theatres with bacteria. They are not proof against viruses.

Surgeons wear masks so as not to contaminate the people they're operating on with any pathogen, which includes viruses and bacteria. So they're wearing the masks for the same exact reason that is the main rationale behind why ordinary people should wear them during this pandemic - to avoid infecting others.

 

The fact that wearing masks may also reduce the chance of contracting a respiratory disease (though it doesn't eliminate it) is an added bonus.

 

An Oxford University team published a new study on the wearing of masks five days ago. It was a comprehensive study using evidence and data from all around the world, including an international comparison of policies and behavioural factors underlying mask usage. It states in part:

 

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The evidence is clear that people should wear masks to reduce virus transmission and protect themselves, with most countries recommending the public to wear them.

 

https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2020-07-08-oxford-covid-19-study-face-masks-and-coverings-work-act-now

2 hours ago, Brunolem said:

To protect against viruses, you need an N95 mask, which is not the usual mask that doctors and nurses wear in hospitals...

 

That's just untrue - N95 masks provide a higher level of protection than say, surgical masks but every study that's ever looked at this, has found that even masks that do not meet the N95 standard will still reduce the viral load reaching the wearer's nose and mouth (just not as much). And in any event, the main utility in wearing a mask is to protect others and as I said earlier, any protective effect they may have is just a bonus.

 

According to the same Oxford University study I mentioned above:

 

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The general public does not need to wear surgical masks or respirators. We find that masks made from high quality material such as high-grade cotton, multiple layers and particularly hybrid constructions are effective. For instance, combining cotton and silk or flannel provide over 95% filtration, so wearing a mask can protect others.

 

Edited July 13, 20205 yr by GroveHillWanderer