Does anybody really take these Congressional dog & pony grandstanding shows seriously anyway?

21 minutes ago, nattaya09 said:

Does anybody really take these Congressional dog & pony grandstanding shows seriously anyway?

US has some of the most gullible electorate on the face of the earth ! ' Fell for 'Make America great again'. Couldn't make it it up 

7 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

What BS are you refering to? No one is denying that crowds don't help C19 but importantly, Fauci is saying that ALL crowds are bad and not singling out any in particular.

 

Exactly true. The virus is completely apolitical. It does not care in the least whether it is a pro-Trump rally or a BLM protest, a crowd is a crowd is a crowd.

 

That said (1) outdoor crowd situations are much, much safer than indoor ones (e.g. crowded bars) - again regardless of the reason for the outdoor crowd; (2) crowds were people are spaced at least a bit apart and are on the move (e.g. marching) are safer than stationary crowds packed closely together,  and (3) mask wearing by people in a crowd definitely helps reduce risk.

 

I haven't seen any evidence linking increased cases to any outdoor gatherings - not the Trump rally or the anti-lockdown protests nor the BLM protests. Not to say there has been zero transmission from these events but there clearly has not been a big surge due to them. Which is perfectly consistent with what we know about outdoor vs indoor transmission in general. By contrast there has been evidence clearly linking people going into crowded bars and the like to a clusters of cases.

 

People packed closely together, unmasked, indoors = super spreader events. Basic biology. Whether they are there to have fun, or to protest A,B,C or D, the virus could not care less.

 

Will they never stop politicizing this public health emergency????

8 hours ago, JusticeGB said:

 This is political gamesmanship with real lives at stake.

 

You captured in a nutshell the Trump admin's failed and woeful response to the CV pandemic -- political gamesmanship with real lives at stake.

 

150,000+ dead Americans and counting under Trump's watch. The man who denied the virus, claimed it would just magically go away, opposed face mask wearing, bullied states and governors into reopening when they hadn't even met the government's own guidelines for doing so, has repeatedly promoted fake cures/unproven medications, and on and on.

 

NO ONE has done more to politicize the CV pandemic than Trump and Co., to the misery and death of the American public.

 

 

 

Edited August 1, 20206 yr by TallGuyJohninBKK

38 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

I haven't seen any evidence linking increased cases to any outdoor gatherings - not the Trump rally or the anti-lockdown protests nor the BLM protests.

 

I fully agree with most of your post above, Sheryl. But I will note, the Tulsa City-County Health Dept. came out after Trump's Tulsa event and said they believed it had contributed to a major spike in local cases shortly thereafter. And that's hardly a lefty government talking. I don't think they can prove it scientifically, but that's their publicly stated belief.

 

And of course, I believe at the time it was against general public health guidance to hold that kind of mass rally at all, but Trump wasn't going to be dissuaded by public health advice. No Trump rally, no anti-Trump protests. Problem would have been avoided.

 

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Dart had urged the campaign to consider pushing back the date of the rally, fearing a potential surge in the number of coronavirus cases.

 

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/tulsa-health-official-trump-rally-likely-contributed-to-coronavirus-surge-2020-07-08

 

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OKLAHOMA CITY — President Donald Trump’s campaign rally in Tulsa in late June that drew thousands of participants and large protests “likely contributed” to a dramatic surge in new coronavirus cases, Tulsa City-County Health Department Director Dr. Bruce Dart said Wednesday.

 

Tulsa County reported 261 confirmed new cases on Monday, a one-day record high, and another 206 cases on Tuesday. By comparison, during the week before the June 20 Trump rally, there were 76 cases on Monday and 96 on Tuesday.
 

Although the health department’s policy is to not publicly identify individual settings where people may have contracted the virus, Dart said those large gatherings “more than likely” contributed to the spike.

 

 

 

I'm also guessing, there's a somewhat different environment between an event like Trump's rally vs the BLM street protests around the country. There were few mask wearers at Trump's event, and the people were pretty much seated and in the same place together for long periods (the arena's attempted efforts at social distancing seating were undone by Trump's campaign). Whereas in the protests, I'd wager a much higher share of folks were wearing masks, and they were moving about outdoors and probably not as closely packed together.  I'm not saying there's no risk in either, but I'm guessing there's a higher risk in a Trump type, no masks setting.

 

 

Edited August 1, 20206 yr by TallGuyJohninBKK

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21 hours ago, seajae said:

problem is dems are using lies and innuendo to make their points so he is trying to get at the truth which dems refuse to do, maybe if dems were honest about it he wouldnt attack them. His points when the AG was questioned about dems totally ignoring the truth about the rioting etc as well as them not letting the AG reply to their questions was spot on to anyone that watched it, what is needed is the truth and not all the dems BS

Just face the facts. Both parties are corrupt, beyond redemption. Both are bought and paid for. Both are owned by corporations and special interests. Both have a hard time saying no to lobbyists. Thinking otherwise is naive. Blame all you want. It does not change the truth. 

Fauci standing up to GOP corruption, moral degradation, fealty to the master, and an abhorrence for truth is a beautiful thing to witness. 

As Fauci has pointed out, it isn't his job to ban protests, close schools and businesses, enforce the policing of the same, or make judgement on the rights and wrongs of them.  His job is to advise.  He made it perfectly clear that ALL crowds are potentially dangerous, and advised people to steer clear of them.  Until (if) each activity is made illegal, people have the right to decide whether to follow that advice or not. The lack of comprehension skills shown by Jordan is concerning in an elected official.

2 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Just face the facts. Both parties are corrupt, beyond redemption. Both are bought and paid for. Both are owned by corporations and special interests. Both have a hard time saying no to lobbyists. Thinking otherwise is naive. Blame all you want. It does not change the truth. 

I'm sorry but I don't agree with this at all.

Unlimited donations from self-interest groups have always plaugued American politics but never has political 'corruption' been so evident and blatantly abused than with Trump and the current GOP. From massive tax breaks to the winding back of envornmental limitations to climate denial, Trump and the GOP are not even hiding their corruption any more and is why you see such a massive push to get America back working despite the human consequences.
I didn't see this in the Obama administration nor the Clinton administration so I would suggest that although there may be some corruption with the Dems, they are rank amatuers compared to the GOP.

trump’s response to Fauci’s well thought through and balanced testimony 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/01/trump-covid-19-fauci-cases-testing?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

8 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

trump’s response to Fauci’s well thought through and balanced testimony 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/01/trump-covid-19-fauci-cases-testing?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Trump simply cannot handle dissension or someone contradicting his story line. He is not man enough. His pathological lack of self esteem, masked by extreme grandiosity, means skin thinner than a pimple faced 9 year old. He cannot let stuff go. And every time he does that, he diminishes himself, makes a fool of himself and demonstrates to the planet how ill equipped he is for the job of president. 

 

Not to worry. Only three months to go, till he gets beaten senseless, and exits DC with the most radioactive name on the planet. 

21 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

There was an egg in the face moment when Jim Jordan keep flapping his gum for a good amount of time and turn to Dr Fauci for respond only to be ask by the good doctor “what was the question”. Like you rightly said, he tried to drag the doctor into a gotcha question only for Fauci to give him nothing. Brilliantly done by Fauci. 

Jordan spent most of his allotted 5 minutes babbling, going on and on, and ending with "so what's your answer, yes or no?"  Fauci did exactly what I would have done:  "what was the question?"  At one point Fauci leaned back during the word salad and gave an expression that said "can you believe this guy?"

 

Here's a treat for you DT fans, I know you guys love ad hominem attacks:  Jordan is linked to sexual abuse of students at Penn State.  Do your own lookup.

Here's a nibble

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/14/politics/disabato-jim-jordan-ohio-state-abuse-scandal-cnntv/index.html

 

He's the same kind of bully as DT is, tough guy when he has an edge, then a whining, crying coward when things look bad
 

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Jordan had called him "crying" in 2018 when allegations against Strauss, who died by suicide in 2005, emerged.

"He was begging me to go against my brother's testimony, basically, and come out with a statement.

 

 

Edited August 2, 20206 yr by bendejo

9 hours ago, bendejo said:

Penn State

Oops!  Make that Ohio State.