Trump plans attack on Biden as U.S. faces coronavirus crisis and protests

[jcsmith]

24 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Yes, there is discrimination in the US, there is racism. The fact that this racism persists after hundreds of years, despite riots which we saw back in 1863 already, shows that riots certainly are not the answer. Many presidents have done things to improve the position of blacks, from legislation that made mortgages more accessible to blacks to laws that prevent job discrimination, in fact the average salary of blacks has gone up for many decades. Interestingly when they loot now they don't loot for food but for luxury Gucci gear.

I trimmed it to this quote to trim size, but I think your posts makes a lot of leaps and jumps that don't match the reality.

 

For one you repeatedly reference the riots, etc like that's been a regular occurrence. Even during the protests riots have been relatively rare and the VAST majority of the protests have been peaceful, there's certainly some bad seeds out there though. The fact that you make a point to say now when they loot they don't loot for food is like saying they should be happy with the scraps they have been given. 

In general though minorities are in the lower income brackets.

 

The unrest here isn't about the economic situation though it's about the fact that blacks are far more likely to be shot or roughed up by police. They are much more likely to be given prison sentences for the same crimes than a white person is. 52% of police shootings are against whites, while 38% are against blacks. 12% of the population is black. 60.4%-72% of the population is white (depending on how you categorize hispanics). That's obviously disproportionate. But what's even more disproportionate is that blacks are 280% more likely to be fatally shot by police than whites. Unarmed blacks are more likely to be shot by police than unarmed whites. When it comes to minor crimes a black person is far more likely to get a jail sentence than a white person even for the same crime and a similar incident.
 

Edited August 28, 2020 by jcsmith

[OneMoreFarang]

30 minutes ago, Logosone said:

First of all Americans are not like Arabs or Afghans who will fight to the death. Most of the left wing protesters do not know how to fight, have never fought apart from throwing stones at police cars, burning police cars or throwing water bottles at police. These Americans were not invaded by a foreign force. I think it is fair to say they will not fight to the death. A strong and robust response from law enforcement and federal troops would most likely subdue these protests quite quickly and easily. It seems to be working quite well in Belarus where the protesters have become significantly subdued after Putin made clear he was putting together a special force to intervene if it should become necessary.

 

That is how you deal with such protests. If you just let them run, like the Democrat mayors, you just have to look at recent history and the collapse of the Soviet empire where when the states did not intervene the states collapsed. 

 

So yes, I do think more soldiers on the streets would quickly dispose of the genie the left has unleashed on the US.

 

Yes, America is the land of the free, but when that freedom is abused and morphs into violent and wanton destruction, when it is abused, as the left BLM people have abused it, then a corrective measure is needed.

 

Yes, there is discrimination in the US, there is racism. The fact that this racism persists after hundreds of years, despite riots which we saw back in 1863 already, shows that riots certainly are not the answer. Many presidents have done things to improve the position of blacks, from legislation that made mortgages more accessible to blacks to laws that prevent job discrimination, in fact the average salary of blacks has gone up for many decades. Interestingly when they loot now they don't loot for food but for luxury Gucci gear.

 

I think it would be naive to expect one president to end racism. And it would be naive to buy this BLM agenda that blacks are terribly disadvantaged in the US. A cursory look at the statistics shows this is not true. More whites than blacks are killed by police. There are plenty of black millionaires and middle class in America. This is not an issue of blacks being disadvantaged. This is an issue of law and order. 

 

For almost 200 years the race riots have not gone away. For the last 50 years blacks have consistently committed 53% of homicides with only 13% of the population. It's no wonder that police are terrified on the streets. There is much to fear. Look at black on black crime  in Chicago.

 

Maybe in the 1930s it was possible to argue this was caused by economic disadvantages for blacks. This is not the case now. It has gone on for too long, and the economic situation of blacks is too good for this kind of argument.

 

What we can see is great criminality. Violent protests. The state has every right to fight back now.

 

Thank for your long reply.

I think I get your points but I don't think harder law enforcement is the answer - at least not always.

Lots of people, and especially the president, could deescalate the situation. He does the opposite and that does definitely not help to make the situation better, at least IMHO.

[stevenl]

39 minutes ago, Logosone said:

First of all Americans are not like Arabs or Afghans who will fight to the death. Most of the left wing protesters do not know how to fight, have never fought apart from throwing stones at police cars, burning police cars or throwing water bottles at police. These Americans were not invaded by a foreign force. I think it is fair to say they will not fight to the death. A strong and robust response from law enforcement and federal troops would most likely subdue these protests quite quickly and easily. It seems to be working quite well in Belarus where the protesters have become significantly subdued after Putin made clear he was putting together a special force to intervene if it should become necessary.

 

That is how you deal with such protests. If you just let them run, like the Democrat mayors, you just have to look at recent history and the collapse of the Soviet empire where when the states did not intervene the states collapsed. 

 

So yes, I do think more soldiers on the streets would quickly dispose of the genie the left has unleashed on the US.

 

Yes, America is the land of the free, but when that freedom is abused and morphs into violent and wanton destruction, when it is abused, as the left BLM people have abused it, then a corrective measure is needed.

 

Yes, there is discrimination in the US, there is racism. The fact that this racism persists after hundreds of years, despite riots which we saw back in 1863 already, shows that riots certainly are not the answer. Many presidents have done things to improve the position of blacks, from legislation that made mortgages more accessible to blacks to laws that prevent job discrimination, in fact the average salary of blacks has gone up for many decades. Interestingly when they loot now they don't loot for food but for luxury Gucci gear.

 

I think it would be naive to expect one president to end racism. And it would be naive to buy this BLM agenda that blacks are terribly disadvantaged in the US. A cursory look at the statistics shows this is not true. More whites than blacks are killed by police. There are plenty of black millionaires and middle class in America. This is not an issue of blacks being disadvantaged. This is an issue of law and order. 

 

For almost 200 years the race riots have not gone away. For the last 50 years blacks have consistently committed 53% of homicides with only 13% of the population. It's no wonder that police are terrified on the streets. There is much to fear. Look at black on black crime  in Chicago.

 

Maybe in the 1930s it was possible to argue this was caused by economic disadvantages for blacks. This is not the case now. It has gone on for too long, and the economic situation of blacks is too good for this kind of argument.

 

What we can see is great criminality. Violent protests. The state has every right to fight back now.

 

Suppression will do nothing for the underlying issue. But since you claim there is no underlying issue, that is ok in your mind. Your comprehension of the situation is zilch.

Edited August 28, 2020 by stevenl

[stevenl]

32 minutes ago, candide said:

That's the new Trumpers defence line. They don't claim any more that Trump is not lying, they complain he is fact-checked! ????

Fact checks really don't matter though, it is about emotions. So lying or not, they will support him.

[candide]

2 hours ago, Berkshire said:

55555....what a fantasy.  If Trump is reelected, i.e., he'll no longer worry about being reelected, Trump will be laser focused on lining his pockets, helping out his buddies (coal barons and dictators alike), going after his (perceived) enemies, and stuffing the DOJ with people who will ensure that he never sees a jail cell for his years of criminality.  He'll spend most of his time on Trump properties golfing.  He won't give a hoot about what goes on in the cities....not his problem. 

Isn't it mostly what he's already been doing?

Edited August 28, 2020 by candide

[xylophone]

9 hours ago, PatOngo said:

This has been going on for months now, when will your president of law and order add some substance to his hollow words? Seems his redneck supporters will believe any rubbish he dishes them!

I had an interesting conversation here yesterday with a guy from the US and it was about Law & Order, the current situation with riots, and trumps attack on Biden and what he said, surprised me no end.

 

I struck up the conversation with the question, "well what do you think of all of this stuff going on in the US at the moment?". And his words to this and other questions I will print below and it will give some idea as to how some Americans think of this debacle.....

 

His reply: it's the Democrats causing all of the problems because they want to oust trump any way they can. They are racist and are deliberately stirring things up.

 

Me: well racism has been around in the US for decades, so it could be argued that no party has really got to grips with it?

 

His reply: no, it's the Democrats and it goes back as far as the KKK, because they were Democrats and were racist and all of the Democrat presidents have been since. And I have been a law enforcement officer for over 30 years and have never seen any racism.

 

Me: well I would have thought someone would have fixed the problems by now, but anyway I'm not a trump supporter by virtue of the fact that he's a consistent liar.

 

His reply: a liar? Who said that, who is saying that?

 

Me: well it's well reported in various newspapers and on many publications and there is much about it on the Internet.

 

His reply: no that's just lies perpetrated by the Democrats.

 

Me: well I don't watch any of the news media which are supposed to be biased, and I only watch BBC and get my news from my New Zealand online newspaper, so surely they wouldn't all be lying?

 

His reply: donald trump has done more for blacks and for the American people than any other president.

 

Me: well you may think he has some good traits but I certainly don't like the fact that several of his close advisers have been locked up for criminal offences and Trump himself has been found guilty of embezzling charities and using the funds to back his campaign.

 

His reply: none of his advisers have been locked up, and he fired Cohen (this after I mentioned that Michael Cohen had just been released from prison). And trump has not been found guilty of anything with regards to stealing from charities or using money from them for his campaign.

 

It was at this particular point that I realised this person was typical of some of the trump posters I encounter here, inasmuch as there is only one view, and that is the sanitised/he is god view, and he has done no wrong and doesn't lie (and presumably he's smart!!!!).

 

Quite how someone could be so one-eyed in these days of worldwide information spread is quite beyond me, but at this particular time I thought I would stop with our conversation because I could see his face getting red, and he was bordering on angry, so I bade him farewell, and as I drove away I was able to console myself with the fact that I would never interact with him again, because I have seen, first hand, what people describe as a "redneck".
 

Edited August 28, 2020 by xylophone

[simple1]

6 hours ago, riclag said:

 Americans  are scared of you because of  your  radical supporters and your 40 years of being complicit,  part of the Washington establishment,who promised so much and yet your political rhetoric is just what it has been through out your life, as a career politician!

 

I must confess I have a question  about this statement 

"rooting for violence" I read your speech at  the dem convention,  the two things that stood out for me, is there wasn't anything mentioned about the riots that caused, looting ,deaths,firers, destruction and anarchy in the streets !

 

 The other,you mentioned in your speech,

 "My father taught us that silence was complicity.  And I could never remain silent or complicit".  

What a hypocrite !

 

"Democrats' silence on our summer of violence is a tactical blunder"

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/510217-democrats-silence-on-our-summer-of-violence-is-a-tactical-blunder

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just repeating trump and his enablers propaganda based on disinformation. it will be interesting to see if the trump campaign can get independents etc on side or if they will be sick and tired of the BS by 03/11 and vote against him. 

 

Multiple high-profile Democrats have spoken out against violence at Black Lives Matter protests

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/08/13/fact-check-democrats-have-condemned-violence-linked-protests/3317862001/

 

Democrats actually have a documented platform. If you can be bothered to read, it demolishes trump's lies regards the Democrat's policies.

 

https://www.demconvention.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/2020-07-31-Democratic-Party-Platform-For-Distribution.pdf

 

Republican's 'non platform'...

 

It is hard to read this “platform” as anything other than “we stand for whatever Donald Trump wants.” And we know how Donald Trump interprets such a blank check. At an April 13, 2020 press conference discussing COVID-19 he told us: “When somebody is the president of the United States, the authority is total and that’s the way it’s got to be…It’s total.”

 

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2020/08/25/the-2020-republican-party-platform-letat-cest-moi/

Edited August 28, 2020 by simple1

[Opl]

the truth is out there

“I don’t like to mention Biden because he’s not controlling anything. They control him….People that you’ve never heard of. People who are in the dark shadows…..People that you’ve never heard of. They’re people that are on the streets. They’re people that are controlling the streets. We had somebody get on a plane in a certain city this weekend, and in the plane it was almost completely loaded with thugs wearing these dark uniforms, black uniforms, gear, and this and that. They’re on a plane.” Trump said...

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/trump-claims-without-evidence-biden-controlled-people-dark-shadows-n1238953

 

Edited September 1, 2020 by Opl

[candide]

2 hours ago, Opl said:

the truth is out there

“I don’t like to mention Biden because he’s not controlling anything. They control him….People that you’ve never heard of. People who are in the dark shadows…..People that you’ve never heard of. They’re people that are on the streets. They’re people that are controlling the streets. We had somebody get on a plane in a certain city this weekend, and in the plane it was almost completely loaded with thugs wearing these dark uniforms, black uniforms, gear, and this and that. They’re on a plane.” Trump said...

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/trump-claims-without-evidence-biden-controlled-people-dark-shadows-n1238953

 

What is worrying is that some people will surely believe it and act accordingly.

Edited September 1, 2020 by candide

[Opl]

4 hours ago, candide said:

What is worrying is that some people will surely believe it and act accordingly.

What is worrying is that if anyone else but Trump posted such stuff it would be deleted as troll 

Alt-Right, QAnon, what's next?