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Great news.

 

"A 17-year-old from Illinois who is charged with killing two people during a protest in Wisconsin and whose case has become a rallying cry for some conservatives posted $2m bail Friday and was released from custody."

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/20/kyle-rittenhouse-kenosha-shooting-bail-release

 

Go Kyle! Self defence should never be a crime.

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1 hour ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Great news.

 

"A 17-year-old from Illinois who is charged with killing two people during a protest in Wisconsin and whose case has become a rallying cry for some conservatives posted $2m bail Friday and was released from custody."

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/20/kyle-rittenhouse-kenosha-shooting-bail-release

 

Go Kyle! Self defence should never be a crime.

 

From your link....

 

He faces multiple charges, including intentional homicide, reckless endangerment and being a minor in possession of a firearm. Wisconsin law doesn’t permit minors to carry or possess a gun unless they’re hunting. He is due back in court on 3 December for a preliminary hearing.

 

Keating ultimately set bail at $2m, saying Rittenhouse was a flight risk given the seriousness of the charges against him.

1 hour ago, simple1 said:

 

From your link....

 

He faces multiple charges, including intentional homicide, reckless endangerment and being a minor in possession of a firearm. Wisconsin law doesn’t permit minors to carry or possess a gun unless they’re hunting. He is due back in court on 3 December for a preliminary hearing.

 

Keating ultimately set bail at $2m, saying Rittenhouse was a flight risk given the seriousness of the charges against him.

 

  I dont know about the USA , but in the UK you are allowed to break the law, if it was deemed to be necessary 

2 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  I dont know about the USA , but in the UK you are allowed to break the law, if it was deemed to be necessary 

I didnt see the report where it was necessary for him to travel interstate with his gun to attend a protest he is against.

11 minutes ago, Sujo said:

I didnt see the report where it was necessary for him to travel interstate with his gun to attend a protest he is against.

 

  His defence will be that he went there to protect a property from being fire bombed 

10 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  His defence will be that he went there to protect a property from being fire bombed 

Brilliant !   

You mention in a previous post "if it was deemed necessary ",I'm guessing you meant self defense. 

Here is  a opinion piece from someone on the left! He also states that Kyle went there to protect and believes it was self defense, he also thinks 

 

"I predict Kyle Rittenhouse is going to walk".

 

https://www.chicagotribune.com/columns/eric-zorn/ct-column-rittenhouse-kenosha-self-defense-zorn-20200903-susvsg45yndn7pb67l42ywnzn4-story.html

 

7 minutes ago, riclag said:

Brilliant !   

You mention in a previous post "if it was deemed necessary ",I'm guessing you meant self defense. 

 

 

 

   I did meant the "Juvenile carry a weapon '" offence 

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1 hour ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  I dont know about the USA , but in the UK you are allowed to break the law, if it was deemed to be necessary 

What? Shoot someone?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Martin_(farmer)

 

English law permits a person to kill another in self-defence only if the person defending themself uses no more than "reasonable force"; it is the responsibility of the jury to determine whether or not an unreasonable amount of force was used.^[14] The jury at the trial were told that they had the option of returning a verdict of manslaughter rather than murder, if they thought that Martin "did not intend to kill or cause serious bodily harm".^[15] However, the jurors found Martin guilty of murder by a 10 to 2 majority.^[16]

1 minute ago, polpott said:

What? Shoot someone?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Martin_(farmer)

 

English law permits a person to kill another in self-defence only if the person defending themself uses no more than "reasonable force"; it is the responsibility of the jury to determine whether or not an unreasonable amount of force was used.^[14] The jury at the trial were told that they had the option of returning a verdict of manslaughter rather than murder, if they thought that Martin "did not intend to kill or cause serious bodily harm".^[15] However, the jurors found Martin guilty of murder by a 10 to 2 majority.^[16]

 

   That was because Martin shot the burglar  in the back when he was running away and the Jury said he shouldnt have shot him and just had let him keep on running and thus he wasnt defending himself .

  Had Martin shot him in self defense , he would have gotton a not guilty verdict 

1 minute ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

   That was because Martin shot the burglar  in the back when he was running away and the Jury said he shouldnt have shot him and just had let him keep on running and thus he wasnt defending himself .

  Had Martin shot him in self defense , he would have gotton a not guilty verdict 

Shotgun against unarmed man, not reasonable force.

5 minutes ago, polpott said:

Shotgun against unarmed man, not reasonable force.

 

  He was on the floor being attacked by a mob , his life was in danger and shooting was his only option and that was a last resort because he refrained from shooting until the last moment 

3 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  He was on the floor being attacked by a mob , his life was in danger and shooting was his only option and that was a last resort because he refrained from shooting until the last moment 

Except that he shot at someone else before, and that's why they wanted to take his gun. Who was in self-defense?

Anyway, the key question is: how did adults let a minor parade with a gun in a protest and be involved in a mess he wasn't able to handle? Obviously, some adults did not fulfill their duty. And it's not like he looks older, he looks like the kid in Rin Tin Tin!

 

Edited November 21, 20205 yr by candide

53 minutes ago, candide said:

Except that he shot at someone else before, and that's why they wanted to take his gun. Who was in self-defense?

 

 

 

  The kid was walking away from the mob , walking to  the police lines , he wasnt threatening anyone and wouldnt have opened fire if he hadnt been attacked 

1 hour ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  The kid was walking away from the mob , walking to  the police lines , he wasnt threatening anyone and wouldnt have opened fire if he hadnt been attacked 

He was walking away after shooting at, and injuring someone.

Edited November 21, 20205 yr by candide

1 hour ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  The kid was walking away from the mob , walking to  the police lines , he wasnt threatening anyone and wouldnt have opened fire if he hadnt been attacked 

he was underaged, armed up, across state lines after an imposed curfew.....where are his parents to reel in this kid? Nothing he did was good and he shot many people when he should not have even been there....condoning it by saying he was walking away and self defense and blah blah blah is deflection and BS. There is a reason he was trying to get his *ss to the cops and he was being chased. Watch the whole video sometime. He was wrong and so are you for condoning it.

4 minutes ago, Tie Dye Samurai said:

condoning it by saying he was walking away and self defense and blah blah blah is deflection and BS. 

 

   Those are the facts , he was walking away from the mob , as I recall, he even ran away for a bit and held his hands up as in to surrender .

  He was on the ground being attacked and he shot the attacker to defend himself .

  Those are facts

11 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

   Those are the facts , he was walking away from the mob , as I recall, he even ran away for a bit and held his hands up as in to surrender .

  He was on the ground being attacked and he shot the attacker to defend himself .

  Those are facts

He shot at an unarmed guy who was trying to pull a rifle away from someone who had killed another unarmed guy a few minutes before.

On 9/1/2020 at 6:43 AM, Jingthing said:

The accused murderer is a white nationalist vigilante and an American president defends him. How low can he go? Always lower.

In my country president and government canot give any opinion on a justice file. We call it " separation of powers". Not the case in the USA ?

1 minute ago, daejung said:

In my country president and government canot give any opinion on a justice file. We call it " separation of powers". Not the case in the USA ?

Not normal but not a law.

3 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

   Those are the facts , he was walking away from the mob , as I recall, he even ran away for a bit and held his hands up as in to surrender .

  He was on the ground being attacked and he shot the attacker to defend himself .

  Those are facts

No he shot someone, then ran away and they tried to catch him to stop him. He tried to surrender to police but they ignored him. If he was black he would not be so lucky.

 

perhaps you could tell me which properties he was protecting, if not, it was none of his business. Being a vigilante is not a defense.

13 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

   Those are the facts , he was walking away from the mob , as I recall, he even ran away for a bit and held his hands up as in to surrender .

  He was on the ground being attacked and he shot the attacker to defend himself .

  Those are facts

No here is whats up....you know what the facts are and you are tribal and grasping at straws to defend a kid armed up across state lines, under aged and out matched for the situation...but since it serves your political view and the tribe you choose to serve instead of what is moral decent and right...you choose to back a bogus and bad position so you do not lose face. Grow a set, man up and acknowledge this BOY took a life and was over matched for the situation he was allowed to put himself into. I dare you not to take a selective snippet of what I have said and acknowledge the fact he was running toward the cops for protection because he had already taken life by force...American life at that on American streets....and quit defending a bogus Republican narrative....GROW THE HELL UP AND ACKNOWLEDGE THAT A TEEENAGER WAS PUT IN TO A REAL LIFE LORD OF THE FLIES SITUATION AND <deleted> IT UP IN A MAJOR WAY. 

 

I dare you to look inside yourself and acknowledge the truth.

 

 

A questionable source to be sure, but in this case

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/my-pillow-ceo-and-hollywood-actor-help-get-kyle-rittenhouse-out-of-jail

 

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MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell and actor Ricky Schroder donated tens of thousands of dollars to a fund totaling $2 million in order to secure the 17-year-old Rittenhouse’s release from jail, according to the New York Post.

 

Jon Voight made a movie with Ricky back when he was a wee lad.  Funny how both of them are emerging in the tinfoil hat brigade at this time.

 

 

You know it's getting out of control when the Trump Tribe twist themselves in knots trying to justify this boy's actions..

 

Old enough to "tool up" and head towards the action, old enough to pay the price for taking a life.

 

However, I would personally support a reduced penalty due to his age. He is still impressionable enough to have been affected by all the right-wing violent rhetoric...

On 8/31/2020 at 10:06 PM, CorpusChristie said:

On the other hand, Trump doesnt agree with violent protestors who are systematically burning down the USA  , and he sympathizes with people trying to stop them ?

"systematically burning down the USA"

Wow, didn't know about that.

That changes everything.

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Update in the case!

 

Rittenhouse is bound over for trial on the charges:

 

"the case against Rittenhouse is moving forward. A Kenosha County court commissioner on Thursday found probable cause to proceed with the case and rejected a defense motion to dismiss a reckless endangerment and gun charge against Rittenhouse.

 

He’s also charged with homicide and attempted homicide for fatally shooting Joseph Rosenbaum and Anthony Huber, and wounding Gaige Grosskreutz on Aug. 25. The shooting happened during a night of unrest in Kenosha that followed the police shooting of Jacob Blake, a local Black man who suffered paralyzing injuries."

 

https://apnews.com/article/california-shootings-wisconsin-kenosha-00951b1ba58df3e99cba4e2f898ee2be

 

And meanwhile, why does this sound familiar?  Dodgy right-wing attorney, dodgy legal defense fundraising campaign, not clear where the money will go. But the attorney's gonna continue his fundraising campaign for sure!!!
 

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Kenosha County Assistant District Attorney Thomas Binger cited public records and news reports in his motion alleging that Pierce has “significant personal financial difficulties” and should not be allowed to represent Rittenhouse because “money that should be held in trust for the defendant may instead be used to repay attorney Pierce’s numerous creditors.”

Shortly after the motion was filed Thursday, Pierce tweeted that he would take over all civil matters for Rittenhouse and would continue to raise funds for his defense. He said that Wisconsin attorney Mark Richards will handle the criminal case.

...

“Attorney Pierce’s personal financial difficulties raise significant ethical concerns, especially when he has close ties to a substantial yet unregulated and unreported ‘slush fund’ that is intended solely for the benefit of the defendant,” Binger wrote in reference to the foundation.

 

 

Edited December 5, 20205 yr by TallGuyJohninBKK

Kyle Rittenhouse, teen charged with killings at Jacob Blake protest, ordered to stand trial

During a preliminary hearing at Kenosha County Circuit Court, commissioner Loren Keating ruled that there was enough evidence to send Rittenhouse to trial.

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"When racial justice protesters took to the streets following Blake’s Aug. 23 shooting, authorities have said that Rittenhouse traveled to Wisconsin to guard a car dealership from looting. Armed with a Smith & Wesson M&P 15 rifle, he allegedly killed Rosenbaum after he threw a plastic bag at Rittenhouse — and missed — then tried to wrestle the rifle away.
 

In video of the incident’s chaotic aftermath, people in the crowd can be heard yelling “get him” and “beat him up.” As Rittenhouse ran down the street, he tripped and fell. Huber struck him with his skateboard and tried to grab the rifle. Rittenhouse opened fire, killing Huber and injuring Grosskreutz, who had a handgun.
 

An arraignment in the case is scheduled for Jan. 5."

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/kyle-rittenhouse-teen-charged-killings-jacob-blake-protest-ordered-stand-n1249955

 

 

Edited December 5, 20205 yr by TallGuyJohninBKK