China wants a canal to cross Thailand into the Indian Ocean

[fangless]

1 minute ago, Tagged said:

I do not see any border problems with south, that is done set finit. 

I suspect the people in the South would disagree!

[sanuk711]

On 9/4/2020 at 7:56 AM, baansgr said:

Under the Anglo-Thai peace treaty signed in 1946, they are not allowed to build a canal without permission from the British Government....along with the fact it would offer the resurgents in the South advantages, it isn't going to happen...

And Japan snit allowed an army......... "The JSDF is ranked as the 5th most powerful military force on the planet as of 2020". ...Wiki

And Germany isn't allowed an Army-------- Germany aims to expand the Bundeswehr to around 203,000 soldiers by 2025 to better cope with increasing responsibilities

[wolf81]

On 9/4/2020 at 7:59 AM, Poet said:

The Chinese may be able to advise the Thai government on how seriously they should treat their agreements with the British government.
 

I'm sure the Chinese also have some ideas on how to deal with Muslim separatists. 

[humbug]

1 hour ago, EVILC said:

i first heard of this canal mentioned at least 30 years ago well before china would have been involved fake news i am afraid..

you think communist china hasn't been colluding behind the scenes with the men in green for decades? just look at how quickly every piece fell into line over the last 5 years:

 

20 year national strategy, just ask all the other nations under the chinese belt and road about their secretive 20 year and 25 year strategies

 

eec, chinese economic corridor, where chinese factories,  chinese surveilence systems under fake smart city titles appear, just like all the other eec areas in belt and road countries

 

infrastructure projects, mostly won by chinese companies and local companies heading by chinese families

 

chinese language forced into all local education

 

millitary stations and bases planned, equipment and arms made and sold by china

 

telecommunications and internet infratsructure hardware from chinese companies who just stole the technology mostly from the us

 

using bot as a us dollar transaction hub outside of hong kong to gain access to international transfers on the swift and international money markets in us dollars in se asia

 

water control from the tibetan mountainous region into the mekong region 

 

look out for a book published in 1999, by communist china colonels, unrestricted warfare, china cant even defeat India in a battle, it uses every other method but actual battles, the most effective is barbarian management, use money to corrupt and win influence

[humbug]

52 minutes ago, wolf81 said:

I'm sure the Chinese also have some ideas on how to deal with Muslim separatists. 

genocide is the word needed for what is happening in East Turkistan

[DrTuner]

12 hours ago, Soikhaonoiken said:

If China offers enough money to Thailand for this, it might happen, we all know money is number 1 .. 

They'll use their usual debt trap and corrupt politicians system.

[Flying Saucage]

17 minutes ago, DrTuner said:

They'll use their usual debt trap and corrupt politicians system.

China very purposefully is building up its empire right now. They bagged Cambodia, Laos and Maynmar already, and Sri Lanka as well. Their projects 'Pakistan' and 'Thailand' are finished soon as well.

 

Yesterday I read that China owns already 40% of the electric power generation and grid in the Philippines. They can switch of the lights there whenever the Philippinos not follow dutifully. Some Chinese companies brand numerous imported products from the Philippines already with "Made in Manila, province of PRC".

 

Now China wants to build navy ports everywhere in the Indian ocean.

 

If no one stops Prayut and his gang of greedy watch lovers, China will get it's channel. Financed by Chinese loans, the Thai taxpayer never will be able to pay back.

 

[phetchy]

On 9/4/2020 at 8:16 AM, RotBenz8888 said:

It only takes some "gifts" from China to the Thai decision makers to make it happen. 

A couple of subs?

[Flying Saucage]

1 minute ago, phetchy said:

A couple of subs?

A handful of watches

[Flying Saucage]

No doubt that the canal finally will be build.

 

Here you can read why:

 

https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/International-relations/China-eyes-military-footing-in-Thailand-Myanmar-and-Pakistan-US?s=09

[stretch5163]

On 9/4/2020 at 5:46 AM, RotBenz8888 said:

It only takes some "gifts" from China to the Thai decision makers to make it happen. 

THeyve already given everyone a big gift that we are currenlty enduring dont encourage more gifts......lol

[Joebuzz]

China intentionally poisoned the world.  No one should be doing anything on the entire planet to help the Chinese.  If you do, you're a fool.

[DrTuner]

2 hours ago, Flying Saucage said:

No doubt that the canal finally will be build.

 

Here you can read why:

 

https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/International-relations/China-eyes-military-footing-in-Thailand-Myanmar-and-Pakistan-US?s=09

Trying to squeeze India between Africa and their eastern vassals. Won't end well.

[lannarebirth]

On 9/3/2020 at 6:20 PM, thaibeachlovers said:

LOL. In 1946 Britain was still a major military power. Now however .............................................

IMO Thailand has nothing to fear from ignoring Britain. What's Britain going to do,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ban Britons from going to LOS for fun times?

 

The Kra Canal has been mooted for a very long time and would be a good idea, but the Singaporeans would be against it as it would sink Singapore's shipping related industry. Perhaps a solution would be to get them to build it and take a percentage of passage fees. I'd certainly be for them to be doing the maintenance.

 

No, it's not really a good idea at all. True, Singapore benefits from it's chandlery and bunkering services but that's just a tiny fraction of economic life there. The reason it's not a good idea has more to do with imperialistic aims than it does with economics.

[Burma Bill]

A few strategically aimed missiles might be a headache for the Chinese??? Suez Canal Crisis (Egypt) 1956:-

 

[Airbagwill]

Lack of sophistication in Thailand's foreign policies, especially towards China, lays them open to China's economic debt traps. Railways and canals seem wonderful at first but the costs and potential income don't necessarily add up.

 

China is desperate to open the West side of China and routes to the west. (Everything art present has to come out of Eastern China and then find their way west to India and Europe.)

 

There is of course a couple of things that the army-based military government don't like

 

Firstly submarines being dangled as an incentive - not a good idea - the last time the Navy had a sub, they tried to stage a coup.....this has tainted the whole issue for a generation - no way do the army want to give the navy that sort of stuff.

 

Secondly a Kra canal? Basically that means putting a physical line between Buddhist Thailand and the separatist Muslim majority  provinces in the South......like the current regime would eve give up that part of Thailand!

[Airbagwill]

On 9/4/2020 at 2:20 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

The Kra Canal has been mooted for a very long time and would be a good idea,

Bit of a sweeping segment - it was  mooted as long ago the 17th century. 

It has to cut through a politically sensitive area - let alone the geographical or topographical problems.

 

The killer though would be th economics - their has to be doubts about how much income it would generate.

The Suez and Panama canals bypass whole continents all the Kra would do is short cut the straights of Malacca ....not really that far.

 

If the Chinese build it or finance it, they would see themselves using it for free or next to nothing for the foreseeable future - especially if Thailand gets into debt over it.

[josephbloggs]

On 9/4/2020 at 7:55 AM, Poet said:

Now, however, the Chinese view war with the US is a credible future possibility, and this Army government are sufficiently in hock to the Chinese to not have much choice in the matter.

Absolute rubbish.

[Airbagwill]

On 9/4/2020 at 2:16 AM, RotBenz8888 said:

It only takes some "gifts" from China to the Thai decision makers to make it happen. 

i.E. a couple of subs?

[Airbagwill]

On 9/4/2020 at 1:55 AM, Poet said:

Now, however, the Chinese view war with the US is a credible future possibility,

Absolute rubbish

[herfiehandbag]

On 9/4/2020 at 5:55 PM, onebir said:

Does anyone know the reason for this clause in the treaty? It seems an odd thing to include...

At that time Singapore was a British colony.

[johnray]

These guys all look the same.  Be careful we don't build a canal across China to Korea.

[donnacha]

10 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

Absolute rubbish.

 

10 hours ago, Airbagwill said:

Absolute rubbish

Always hilarious when someone accidentally reveals their sock puppet account by posting the same thing, within a minute, from each.

Bonus points for mutually Liking your own posts ????

 

[Airbagwill]

22 minutes ago, donnacha said:

 

Always hilarious when someone accidentally reveals their sock puppet account by posting the same thing, within a minute, from each.

Bonus points for mutually Liking your own posts ????

 

Do you have an argument against st the opinion that both of us have posted, or are you as daft as the OP?

[donnacha]

39 minutes ago, Airbagwill said:

Do you have an argument against st the opinion that both of us have posted, or are you as daft as the OP?

Ah, so, you're going to double-down on your mistake? I applaud your commitment to the role.

The thing is, you are the first and only poster in over 12 pages of discussion to take issue with that particular line. Everyone else is aware that, over the past decade, there has been a serious build up of military capacity in the South China Sea. There is also no justification for the Kra canal other than military. China's military planning has been the one agreed factor throughout this entire discussion.

So, it turns out that the suggestion that the Chinese might view war with the US as "credible future possibility" (note the word POSSIBILITY) is only disputed by two members, both of whom made almost identical posts within the same minute, several days into the discussion. What a stunning coincidence.

Not one other member posted for several hours before, or several hours after your posts. You and "josephbloggs" have had a true meeting of minds, not just in uniquely taking exception to the same uncontroversial sentence, but also identical timing and identical words in your response to it. You guys should do coffee sometime.

Allow this one to rest. You made a mistake that anyone juggling two accounts could make, but it is very, very obvious what happened. Trying to deny the obvious only makes you look worse. Mutually Liking your own posts was particularly embarrassing.

Anyway, this thread is dead, very few people will notice, why keep digging and drawing attention to your blunder? Go in peace.


 

[thaibeachlovers]

On 9/4/2020 at 3:14 PM, Poet said:

My understanding is that it has more to do with ensuring the continued supply of oil from their Middle East suppliers. Today, the US can block that supply by placing a warship in the Straits of Malacca. Oil blockades are a terrifically powerful weapon. Part of the reason why the Japanese launched the attack on Pearl Harbor was that the Americans were about to be in a position to block their oil, so, they figured they needed to strike first.

If China gets into a conflict with America in the South China Sea, oil continuing to arrive via the Kra canal would put them in a far stronger position.
 

If that were so they could just run a pipeline from a port in Burma. I think more to it than oil.

[thaibeachlovers]

12 hours ago, Airbagwill said:

Bit of a sweeping segment - it was  mooted as long ago the 17th century. 

It has to cut through a politically sensitive area - let alone the geographical or topographical problems.

 

The killer though would be th economics - their has to be doubts about how much income it would generate.

The Suez and Panama canals bypass whole continents all the Kra would do is short cut the straights of Malacca ....not really that far.

 

If the Chinese build it or finance it, they would see themselves using it for free or next to nothing for the foreseeable future - especially if Thailand gets into debt over it.

There isn't any problem cutting through those not very high hills- Australia has the expertise digging big holes.

Vast financial advantages in not having to go around Singapore. Days shorter, less fuel burned to Europe and East coast America.

[thaibeachlovers]

12 hours ago, Airbagwill said:

Basically that means putting a physical line between Buddhist Thailand and the separatist Muslim majority  provinces in the South......like the current regime would eve give up that part of Thailand!

A few bridges would solve that.

[donnacha]

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

If that were so they could just run a pipeline from a port in Burma. I think more to it than oil.

Think about it in terms of an escalating but localized conflict rather than all-out war.

To turn that particular screw, fuel supply, it would be relatively easy for the US to blow up a pipeline, either themselves or via a proxy group i.e. fund the Muslim separatists to do it.

In the case of a canal, however, the US would have to use their own planes to take out oil tankers belonging to a third country, causing global sentiment to swing against America. The environmental impact would also cause a lot of anger home.

So, yes, if it were merely a question of moving oil, a pipeline would make infinitely more sense than a canal on every level except the military one. 
 

[thaibeachlovers]

2 minutes ago, donnacha said:

Think about it in terms of an escalating but localized conflict rather than all-out war.

To turn that particular screw, fuel supply, it would be relatively easy for the US to blow up a pipeline, either themselves or via a proxy group i.e. fund the Muslim separatists to do it.

In the case of a canal, however, the US would have to use their own planes to take out oil tankers belonging to a third country, causing global sentiment to swing against America. The environmental impact would also cause a lot of anger home.

So, yes, if it were merely a question of moving oil, a pipeline would make infinitely more sense than a canal on every level except the military one. 
 

No, they could use a submarine to blow up a ship at the entrance to the canal.

Anyway, if America is at war ( at any level ) with China, Thais will have more important things to worry about.

 

Are the Burmese hill tribes Muslim?