Brexit brinkmanship: EU orders UK to scrap plan for treaty breach, UK refuses

[david555]

(He seems to be worried ????....)

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/sep/15/no-10-rejects-any-concessions-for-rebel-tories-on-brexit-bill

Johnson seeks to calm MPs before next showdown over bill

Intervention by PM raises expectations of a deal with backbenchers over legislation

 

 

Jessica Elgot and Peter Walker

Tue 15 Sep 2020 18.03

 

 

Boris Johnson has privately sought to calm angry MPs who plan to back an amendment to dilute his bill that unpicks the EU withdrawal agreement.

 

His intervention raises expectations that the government will do a deal with backbenchers at a parliamentary showdown next week.

 

More Conservative MPs have said they could join a rebellion against the government to block a breach of international law, unless an agreement is reached.

Edited September 15, 2020 by david555

[vogie]

9 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

No mate. We both know the driver behind Brexit was immigration. 

Why am I going to hate?

My life is good.

Mr and Mrs Murrell (the SNPs answer to the Ceausescus) have told their cult followers what to think and you obediently obey.

Your claim that the UK is a xenophobic island when I repeat it is the least xenophobic country in europe, apart from Malta, it is a total lie and you should withdraw that statement with an appology!

Edited September 16, 2020 by vogie

[transam]

14 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

They learned it from us.

Really, how come..?

[Rookiescot]

11 minutes ago, vogie said:

Mr and Mrs Murrell (the SNPs answer to the Ceausescus) have told their cult followers what to think and you obediently obey.

Your claim that the UK is a xenophobic island when I repeat it is the least xenophobic country in the UK, apart from Malta, it is a total lie and you should withdraw that statement with an appology!

[Susco]

9 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

No mate. We both know the driver behind Brexit was immigration. 

When the start calling the remainers nationalists, it is unmistakeably obvious they have completely lost the plot.

 

One only has to take a glance at this, and other related threads, to see who the nationalists are

[vogie]

5 minutes ago, Susco said:

When the start calling the remainers nationalists, it is unmistakeably obvious they have completely lost the plot.

 

One only has to take a glance at this, and other related threads, to see who the nationalists are

The clues in the name The Scottish National Party, HTH.

[vogie]

11 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

And that proves it, seriously, you need to get out more.

[polpott]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

Mr and Mrs Murrell (the SNPs answer to the Ceausescus) have told their cult followers what to think and you obediently obey.

Your claim that the UK is a xenophobic island when I repeat it is the least xenophobic country in europe, apart from Malta, it is a total lie and you should withdraw that statement with an appology!

Being English born and bred but having lived in and visited several other countries, I can assure you that England is the most xenophobic country in the Western world. And, furthermore, Yorkshire is the most xenophobic county in England.

[polpott]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

And that proves it, seriously, you need to get out more.

Thank you for that classic example of English xenophobia.

[vogie]

5 minutes ago, polpott said:

Being English born and bred but having lived in and visited several other countries, I can assure you that England is the most xenophobic country in the Western world. And, furthermore, Yorkshire is the most xenophobic county in England.

Link, if not retract your lies.

[polpott]

7 minutes ago, vogie said:

Link, if not retract your lies.

Yorkshire CCC didn't even let non Yorkshire cricketers play for them until fairly recent times.

[vogie]

2 minutes ago, polpott said:

Yorkshire CCC didn't even let non Yorkshire cricketers play for them until fairly recent times.

OMG, are you serious, that makes Yorkshire the most xenophobic county in the land. You have a great sense of humour if nowt else.

 

[david555]

 (By reading this my coffee tasted excellent this morning ….. even I didn't need a biscuit , this was as a very sweet biscuit …….????  oh what a delay this could mean ????, every time Boris must make "his" law more acceptable .....bouncing it over & over again    ????  )

 

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/09/15/brexit-news-internal-market-bill-debate-boris-johnson-deal/

Downing Street warns peers not to block Internal Market Bill amid warnings of 'panic' in the Lords

 

Government is simultaneously trying to head off rebellions in both the House of Commons - where Boris Johnson enjoys a working majority of 90 - and the House of Lords, where the Conservatives are outnumbered by 536 opposition  to 250 Tories 

[Mavideol]

18 hours ago, transam said:

555, says a worried EU bloke.....????

you must be confused, did you look in the mirror

[transam]

7 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

you must be confused, did you look in the mirror

Me worried about Brexit, perhaps you can tell me why I would be....?  ????

[Matzzon]

22 minutes ago, transam said:

Me worried about Brexit, perhaps you can tell me why I would be....?  ????

Would take too long time to explain, at the same time as you would refuse to take in the information.

However, time will tell and you will finally understand why. Good Luck!

[transam]

6 minutes ago, Matzzon said:

Would take too long time to explain, at the same time as you would refuse to take in the information.

However, time will tell and you will finally understand why. Good Luck!

I thought you might say that.....????

[Matzzon]

3 minutes ago, transam said:

I thought you might say that.....????

You must be psychic. Mmmmmm....mmmmm... waiting for the next comment to be delivered, right?

Edited September 16, 2020 by Matzzon

[transam]

1 minute ago, Matzzon said:

You must be psychic. Mmmmmm....mmmmm... waiting for the next comment to be delivered, right?

Indeed, your user name keeps popping up on my screen on different subjects quoting me, hmmmm, I hope you are not stalking.......????........????

[JonnyF]

15 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Difference is the UK is not China, the US or Russia. We are a somewhat pathetic xenophobic island lying just off the coast of Europe.

Nobody really cares about the UK any more. Small fish big pond.

Wrapping yourself in the union flag and singing Land of hope and glory really does not work. 

More self loathing nonsense.

 

The UK is a great place. That's why so many foreigners want to live there. Some people may have concerns about the level of illegal immigration but that's not xenophobic. If you think the UK is xenophobic I have no idea how you can live in Thailand with Anutin's comments, government sponsored double pricing, foreigners being excluded from certain activities/establishments etc. 

 

I have no idea why people like you love to hate on such a culturally and racially diverse country as the UK. Amazing stuff.

[Matzzon]

50 minutes ago, transam said:

Indeed, your user name keeps popping up on my screen on different subjects quoting me, hmmmm, I hope you are not stalking.......????........????

Absolutely not. Just have a very different opinion. That´s why I always chose to quote your post before others.

[vogie]

2 minutes ago, Matzzon said:

Absolutely not. Just have a very different opinion. That´s why I always chose to quote your post before others.

Have you anything of interest that other posters may like, or are you sticking with your bickerfest?

[Matzzon]

4 minutes ago, vogie said:

Have you anything of interest that other posters may like, or are you sticking with your bickerfest?

Sorry if I answered a question from another member. Why do you have a problem with that?

 

Yes, I have already added my opinions in my earlier quotes, if you bothered to read them.

[vogie]

1 minute ago, Matzzon said:

Sorry if I answered a question from another member. Why do you have a problem with that?

 

Yes, I have already added my opinions in my earlier quotes, if you bothered to read them.

You are not answering questions, you are bickering and it gets very boring. On ignore!

[GroveHillWanderer]

On 9/11/2020 at 8:11 AM, JonnyF said:

I have no issue breaking the WA as the EU have already done so by refusing to negotiate in good faith. I'd scrap it altogether including the divorce payment. If they want to go to court then bring it on.

The trouble with that argument is that Johnson personally negotiated the Withdrawal Agreement, touted it as a great deal, held an election based on it and ramrodded it through Parliament, all before finally turning around and pre-emptively reneging on the deal he had brokered himself. If that's not negotiating in bad faith then I don't know what is.

 

Top government legal adviser Jonathan Jones has resigned in protest over this and the Attorney General at the time of the agreement, Geoffrey Cox, has said reneging on the deal is an "unconscionable" breach of international law.

Edited September 16, 2020 by GroveHillWanderer

[JonnyF]

14 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

The trouble with that argument is that Johnson personally negotiated the Withdrawal Agreement, touted it as a great deal, held an election based on it and ramrodded it through Parliament, all before finally turning around and pre-emptively reneging on the deal he had brokered himself. If that's not negotiating in bad faith then I don't know what is.

 

Top government legal adviser Jonathan Jones has resigned in protest over this and the Attorney General at the time of the agreement, Geoffrey Cox, has said reneging on the deal is an "unconscionable" breach of international law.

Actually it was May's withdrawal agreement and Johnson had no choice but to accept it (with some minor modifications) since the traitorous 2019 Remainer Parliament had made it illegal to leave with No Deal.

 

He had no idea that the EU would threaten to break up the UK using a contradictory set of clauses in the WA. When they informed him what they had planned, he brought about the internal market bill to give him the power to stop this. The bill itself doesn't break the law. It only allows him to break the law if the EU tries to break up the UK.

 

Since the EU has broken international law many times and also plans to break up the UK as punishment for Brexit, I have no issue with this. 

 

If you do, that's tough. Parliament is sovereign ????.

[Phulublub]

3 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Parliament is sovereign

So if Parliament votes against Johnson's Bill, you will be content, happy and in full agreement then?

 

PH

[7by7]

19 hours ago, nauseus said:

20 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 How is a LIVE broadcast edited?

If you read the full conversation then you won't appear so obtuse.

 I did read it all.

 

The post of yours in question contained a quote; in full it is

22 hours ago, nauseus said:

22 hours ago, Airbagwill said:

It's video from HoC broadcast .....I happened to watch it live from HoC and Boris had the craaaap ripped out of him. He sat there almost in tears like a naughty schoolboy......probably one of the most humiliating episodes for a British PM since WW2

(7by7 emphasis)

I watched it too, it's edited.

 

So I ask again: how is a LIVE broadcast edited?

[JonnyF]

1 hour ago, Phulublub said:

So if Parliament votes against Johnson's Bill, you will be content, happy and in full agreement then?

 

PH

Happy? Absolutely not.

 

But guess what? I will accept the decision like an adult because I believe in Democracy and Democratic process. Do you Remainers remember that word? Or has 4 years of being an irritating, condescending, vocal minority trying (but ultimately failing) to overturn Democratic votes finally taken it's toll? ????

[cleopatra2]

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

Actually it was May's withdrawal agreement and Johnson had no choice but to accept it (with some minor modifications) since the traitorous 2019 Remainer Parliament had made it illegal to leave with No Deal.

 

He had no idea that the EU would threaten to break up the UK using a contradictory set of clauses in the WA. When they informed him what they had planned, he brought about the internal market bill to give him the power to stop this. The bill itself doesn't break the law. It only allows him to break the law if the EU tries to break up the UK.

 

Since the EU has broken international law many times and also plans to break up the UK as punishment for Brexit, I have no issue with this. 

 

If you do, that's tough. Parliament is sovereign ????.

you are talking rubbish.

Johnson took over PM with the explicit intemtion of renogatiating the WA. His comments at the time , the WA had to bs scrapped. even saying no deal better than a bad deal

 He was responsible fod the new NI protocol claimimg it was glorious success from the UK government.

What we now know , Johnson believed a bad deal was better than a no deal.