"What about us!?" Thais in relationships with foreigners separated by pandemic speak out

[rumak]

32 minutes ago, Bezdomny said:

Reading comments here, majority of expats on TVF are young, handsome and married to max 2 years younger woman who is CEOs and they meet in theater or opera.  ????????

Nope.   I am pretty sure I am the only one .     

[stephen tracy]

6 minutes ago, hotchilli said:

Yes it is outrageous... so would be hundreds of tourists saying they want to come to meet their girlfriends pretending to be in relationships, what would qualify as a relationship... FB/Line/snapchat/IG conversations?

A line has to be drawn somewhere.
Certificated partnerships is that line.

I seriously doubt that "hundreds of tourists" would make any difference whatsoever. 

[Megasin1]

They're young and will get over it, it will be a good test of their relationship, although I don't have too much optimism for the guy with no job and no future, he'll get dropped faster than a falling brick once his foreign g/f reads this article.....

[stephen tracy]

4 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

Touches a nerve with some people, are you saying it doesn't happen and no guys pay a monthly salary?

Of course it happens... You are proof of that. Not everyone is like you. 

[ChaiyaTH]

1 minute ago, Megasin1 said:

They're young and will get over it, it will be a good test of their relationship, although I don't have too much optimism for the guy with no job and no future, he'll get dropped faster than a falling brick once his foreign g/f reads this article.....

Hehe yeah I doubt the majority of the people in that FB group are even together with their partner for more than 3 years. Often nothing more than a fake relationship, as it is mainly long distance. So both parties create their own perfect image of their partner, which will not be the same as actually living together in real life for a longer period of time.

Edited September 12, 2020 by ChaiyaTH

[Zikomat]

 I would let in only those with children. I mean their biological children. Only. Not a time for a sex tourism.

 

 

Edited September 12, 2020 by Zikomat

[hotchilli]

3 minutes ago, stephen tracy said:

I seriously doubt that "hundreds of tourists" would make any difference whatsoever. 

Which is why they're being told tough luck.

[scubascuba3]

2 hours ago, giddyup said:

No, but you assumed every Thai/Falang relationship is based on cash transactions.

No I didn't but a lot are or have you convinced yourself that isn't the case? really touches a nerve with some people, I wonder why

[richard_smith237]

8 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

3 years...  

 

.... and you are continuing to fit into the exact same ‘stereotype’ stephen tracy painted....  (belief held by your own personal experiences of hooker-john scenario).

 

 

Touches a nerve with some people, are you saying it doesn't happen and no guys pay a monthly salary?

Nope.... thats what you want to imply I’m saying. 

 

What I am saying is that you have implied all foreigners who are with Thai women are paying to be with them.

I know that not to be true of every single foreigner I know here who’s married to a Thai lady. 

 

Thus, the implication you have made is more telling of your exposure to Thailand and the relationships than anyone else. 

[FlyingThai]

2 hours ago, OnTheRun said:

All very well but in my case (and many others) who work outwith Thailand and travel back and fore it's not that easy. I left Thailand on 3rd June and obviously have not been able to return.

In that case one has to decide carefully if it's better to move the family / partner abroad (after getting married) to a country that allows partners to join, quit the job or leave and yes - be prepared not to be able to return.

 

Your decision to leave TH and go back to work was voluntary and made for economic reasons so it's not like you got caught up somehow. And I get it, who would give up a well paid job in this economy just for the sake of staying in Thailand, that wouldn't make much sense. But if a relationship is making this decision hard then I'd either legally legitimize or end it.

[barney42bb]

There are 2 directions to which parted couples can be reunited.

[Destiny1990]

Banning them to come is another overreaction and certainly is not helping for reducing the suicide numbers. Whats the corona risk difference between a person  in a marriage or in a longterm relationship?

[rumak]

every thread on TV  and i am sure most forums turns into an argument.   is it really any wonder why

the world does not live in peace ?   

 

i am no genius,   but it sure seems clear to me that there are many types of people,  and many types of relationships.   I generalize, at times,  but still look at everyone and everything on a case to case basis.

Generally speaking......... i do not find many others doing the same thing  ????

 

Cmon,  I can look at most peoples relationship and form a pretty good idea whether it is that mysterious thing called love.....  or if perhaps there are some dark, sinister motives involved.

And just for the record:   what some guys put up with...... well,   I don't get it.   

[richard_smith237]

17 minutes ago, hotchilli said:

Yes it is outrageous... so would be hundreds of tourists saying they want to come to meet their girlfriends pretending to be in relationships, what would qualify as a relationship... FB/Line/snapchat/IG conversations?

A line has to be drawn somewhere.
Certificated partnerships is that line.

 

That is the complaint. The line could easily be moved to something more considerate of those with long term ties to Thailand. 

 

Those on Retirement Visa, Proof of property ownership, Proof of Rental, Vehicle ownership, Proof of Relationship (i.e. photos of a village wedding etc if not officially married).

 

The ‘line in the sand’ as it is currently drawn is a very harsh line and unfair on many, hence the complaints.

 

 

 

[Zikomat]

2 minutes ago, Destiny1990 said:

Banning them to come is another overreaction and certainly is not helping for reducing the suicide numbers. Whats the corona risk difference between a person  in a marriage or in a longterm relationship?

Thai woman committing suicide because her farang friend Is unable to visit her?  Hehehe... 

[FlyingThai]

15 minutes ago, Somtamnication said:

Good for them. It ain't gonna improve. Military government, xenophobia, etc etc etc.

What about all the other countries that have the same rules in place but are run by an elected, civilian government?

 

Honestly I have no sympathy for people who can't to see their "girlfriend" be it paid or a legitimate relationship, even less so for people who live a decade with the same partner but don't get married and most definitely not with all the old geezers who can't see their lady despite paying them a monthly allowance.

 

Contrary to that I'm extremely saddened for all those who couldn't see their children several months (and the children their parents). Thankfully - as far as I understand it - TH has now allowed for COE's as long as the parent can prove the relationship per birth certificate.

[scubascuba3]

2 hours ago, Artisi said:

What do you fork out each month? 

No I don't want to get into paying them a monthly wage, how will you ever know its genuine when you're paying them? the answer is you don't 

[evadgib]

2 hours ago, cjinchiangrai said:

Add to this the sexist rules wherin foreign wives get green cards along with Thai repatration requirements while foreign husbands do not.

This disparity was something I had expected to see being addressed when ASEAN came into being years ago!

[sungod]

5 minutes ago, rumak said:

every thread on TV  and i am sure most forums turns into an argument. 

 

Who says?????

[richard_smith237]

4 minutes ago, barney42bb said:

There are 2 directions to which parted couples can be reunited.

You’ve over simplified that an failed to recognise that people in Thailand have ties to Thailand, jobs, homes, those with children in school etc etc...

 

Not every Thai Female can just leave on a whim to be with their significant other, and those who can just pick-up sticks and move so readily may not be able to get a visa so easily. 

[Abs14]

30 minutes ago, rumak said:

i imagine someone else has already posted ............... if not,  that law was made obsolete a long time ago.

32 years ago my first land  wife and i bought had to be in someone elses name ( we used her parents)

 

No longer the case nowadays........ though land offices usually want farang to sign saying the money is hers.     But land easily goes in spouses name now.   So get married and stop living in sin   555 (joking, Yinn)

I was then wondering if somebody was going to tell  him at any point ????

Edited September 12, 2020 by Abs14

[stephen tracy]

13 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

No I didn't but a lot are or have you convinced yourself that isn't the case? really touches a nerve with some people, I wonder why

Doesn't touch a never at all. Just view you for what you are.

[scubascuba3]

2 hours ago, newcomer71 said:

It must be so satisfying to write idiotic remarks...

touched a nerve did it

[richard_smith237]

9 minutes ago, FlyingThai said:

3 hours ago, OnTheRun said:

All very well but in my case (and many others) who work outwith Thailand and travel back and fore it's not that easy. I left Thailand on 3rd June and obviously have not been able to return.

In that case one has to decide carefully if it's better to move the family / partner abroad (after getting married) to a country that allows partners to join, quit the job or leave and yes - be prepared not to be able to return.

 

Your decision to leave TH and go back to work was voluntary and made for economic reasons so it's not like you got caught up somehow. And I get it, who would give up a well paid job in this economy just for the sake of staying in Thailand, that wouldn't make much sense. But if a relationship is making this decision hard then I'd either legally legitimize or end it.

 

Ultimately, I may have to make a similar decision.

 

I currently had to enter Thailand with a CoE and stay in Quarantine for 2 weeks. 

I was caught outside of Thailand while away at work in Feb / March. 

Work has since stopped (due to Covid-19). But, if / when the work picks up again I’ll have to make the financial decision to continue working overseas. 

With the current station and restrictions on entry to Thailand a 28day / 28 day rotation is impossible - I’d have to look at moving back to the UK with my Wife and placing my Son in School there or simply face the fact that I move back to the UK alone until such a time the CoE and Quarantine restrictions are lifted. 

 

 

 

[scubascuba3]

1 hour ago, Benmart said:

I think people who think such as you may be happy to find love drinking alcohol.

another in denial, sad

[stephen tracy]

5 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

No I don't want to get into paying them a monthly wage, how will you ever know its genuine when you're paying them? the answer is you don't 

Answer: Don't pay people to like you.  And if you have to, be more careful. Pretty simple. 

[scubascuba3]

28 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

How much do you pay?

less than you that's for sure

[jerolamo]

5 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

As long as they get their monthly sponsor money I think they'll be happy enough

Don't look only at your own experience or life ideology.

Many people are not in "money only relationship". But ok, you speak for yourself, we can understand and hope for you to find a better way of life.

chock dii

[scubascuba3]

22 minutes ago, stephen tracy said:

Of course it happens... You are proof of that. Not everyone is like you. 

wrong again, I wouldn't pay a salary but I bet you do and have done before 

[spidermike007]

Thailand needs courageous leadership. They don't have it. The army are major cowards. ANY person from ANY nation should be welcome starting tomorrow, if they are willing to subject themselves to a 14 day quarantine and pay excessive fees for that two week sentence. There is no downside or risk, and only upside for the nation. No groveling from a local consulate should be required. That is utter nonsense. A covid free letter and a booking at an approved hotel. 

The $100 billion (yes, about 3.3 trillion baht!) Thailand takes in from tourism annually reverberates out in countless ways. Even the rural folks benefit. And expats also bring in tons of cash. Alot of the nicer houses in the poorer farming areas were built with money from expats. Alot of trucks, cars and income is from expats. Countless business employing many. To say it is insignificant, is a blatant misunderstanding of Thai economics. Thousands of hotels, restaurants, countless airlines and many tour companies, also benefit.  This hapless administration needs to develop some courage and initiative. They can't hide from the world forever. Extreme timidity from supposedly tough men is an amusing thing to witness. However, the pain they are inflicting on millions is not.

 

In regard to the ignorant fools online making bigoted and racist comments about mixed couples, they simply need to be ignored. They don't count. They are less than zero. Just dumb fools being dumb fools.