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11 minutes ago, Berkshire said:
1 hour ago, Damual Travesty said:

It sounds like you our blaming the President for people making the personal decision to kill police officers. maim them, burn down buildings, destroy Government property, kill innocent civilians, the outbreak and spread of Covid-19, that you believe in permanent lock-downs and the forced wearing of masks by American Citizens. You also believe that climate change is so pressing that you favour shutting down the entire oil and gas industry because we are going to die in 12 years or so if we do not. You likewise favour a treaty that grants economic favour to China based upon our taking the Communist Party of China's word on the matter that they will not use that money to build weapons, do I have you correct on all of this or would you disagree with me. You are an American right?

Since you clearly don't have a grasp of what's really going on, perhaps I can share the comments of someone who does.  This is a top general who worked for Trump (vice Chair of the Joint Chiefs who was re-nominated by Trump) and--surprise--will be voting for Biden.

 

["Thanks to his disdainful attitude and his failures, our allies no longer trust or respect us, and our enemies no longer fear us. Climate change continues unabated, as does North Korea's nuclear program. The president has ceded influence to a Russian adversary who puts bounties on the heads of American military personnel, and his trade war against China has only harmed America's farmers and manufacturers," the letter reads.]

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/24/politics/paul-selva-general-joe-biden/index.html

 

He's just one of nearly 500 former National Security leaders who support Biden.  This group is just the latest of many others. 

 

https://www.nationalsecurityleaders4biden.com/

I'll properly refute your very first statement with a current example.  This example may appear to be going off topic but it is not meant so.  Rather it is a stunningly clear example, the best I can find, to show that your first statement is nothing more than flawed rationale.

 

Back in 2016 then Secretary of State John Kerry, speaking at a Brookings Institute event, averred very emphatically in no uncertain terms that there will be no separate peace between Israel and the Arab world sans a Palestinian solution.  No doubt his knowledge of "what's really going on" was a product of many white papers written by the Brookings Institute and others over decades.  Well, President Trump seemed to disagree with conventional wisdom and decided to do not one but two peace deals between Israel and the Arab world without resolving the Palestinian issue.  It's a beautiful example of how convention wisdom exposes itself to be not so wise after all.

 

The fact that Trump renominated this top General should in no way be suggestive that this General was worthy of his renomination.  I've hired people who gave me an impression that they were worthy of the position I hired them for only to fire them in short order as I found out they did not live up to my initial impression.

 

Other posters have used the "X-number" of whatever - lawyers, National Security leaders, former "influential" past Republican Senators and Congressmen, etc. - before as an ironclad guarantee that these people have the correct world view.  As if the numbers and glorified positions are criteria of guarantors.  You can always find an equal number of comparable people who take opposing views.

 

I'd say that's having a grasp of "what's really going on."

 

As evidentiary support, in case any poster thinks I'm making this example up, here's John Kerry's vid.

 

 

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6 minutes ago, Phulublub said:

One persons opinion on what he may have said it, but, no proof and the guy isnt suggesting that he heard Trump say it .

  Just one guy with an opinion on whether the allegations are true or not 

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5 minutes ago, Phulublub said:

So deliberately slowing down the mail, closing polling stations, insisting on street numbers when may reservations do not use them...stuff like that..is not denying?  Maybe denying is the wrong word "putting all possible obsticles in the way" may be better.

 

Your proto-dictator  is doing all he can to enable his continued occupancy of the White House by foul means.

 

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Those are measures being taken to stop voter fraud

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3 hours ago, Damual Travesty said:

How many police officers have been murdered in the last 6 months? Do you know? How many maimed for life? How many minority owned businesses burned to the ground? How much property damage done? Go look up these statistics and come back and tell me about the .01 percent.

 

And what does it have to do with the topic?

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1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

The proof is everywhere.  C'mon, man.  There are no statements to quote as the Dems don't regularly come out and bluntly say it.  But their deeds are the evidence.  Russiagate, the Mueller probe, and the impeachment are the major proofs.  It's all due to their rejection of the 2016 election results and their attempts to remedy it.

In brief, you have no proof to back up your allegation, just your opinion.

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10 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Back in 2016 then Secretary of State John Kerry, speaking at a Brookings Institute event, averred very emphatically in no uncertain terms that there will be no separate peace between Israel and the Arab world sans a Palestinian solution.  No doubt his knowledge of "what's really going on" was a product of many white papers written by the Brookings Institute and others over decades.  Well, President Trump seemed to disagree with conventional wisdom and decided to do not one but two peace deals between Israel and the Arab world without resolving the Palestinian issue.  It's a beautiful example of how convention wisdom exposes itself to be not so wise after all.

 

If you're referring to the Israel and Bahrain/UAE "peace" deals, you're greatly overstating what was really accomplished.  As even a novice Mideast observer will tell you, there really can't be a "peace deal" if the Palestinians are not involved.  Trump (and Kushner) took the easy way out simply for political expediency.  Knowing Kushner, there was probably some personal financial benefit.  So in essence, Kerry was right.    

 

[But though Trump described the agreements as peace deals, the reaction from Palestinians was a stark reminder that the agreements are not seen as such by many in the region.]

[The pacts have been criticized by Iran, Turkey and Qatar. The biggest Gulf power, Saudi Arabia, has remained silent, leading to speculation that the kingdom quietly approves of the agreements but is reluctant to openly support them.]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/progress-not-peace-breaking-down-trump-brokered-deals-between-israel-n1240298

 

 

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3 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

For four years the Dems have rejected the results of the 2016 election (while simultaneously and hypocritically aghast that Trump would even ponder it) and have done everything within their power, legally or illegally, to subvert that election result.  Four years on and their entire campaign for the 2020 election is focused on one issue and one issue only . . . to remove President Trump.

 

Anyone actually believing that they would be voting for Biden are deluded.  For it will be President Harris in very short order.  Under no circumstances would I want a Harris presidency.

 

Vox - Kamala Harris’s decline in the polls, explained

 

She had a single high point during her candidacy yet within 5 months of that she was polling in single digits and dropped out.  The Dems rejected her then but will vote for her now.  Why?  Doesn't matter who it as as long as they can remove President Trump.

 

Only in Trump supporters' minds does the opposition not rolling over equate with 'rejected the results'. In effect, the results were acknowledged, accepted and the transition of power executed. The same things Trump now refuses to commit to, by the way.

 

Only in Trump supporters minds the President and his administration are immune from criticism, censure or investigations. Granted, when the Republicans were in a position to do so, no issues from the usual suspects (for reference, look up Benghazi). As for Democrats doing something illegal - do tell, or better yet, don't - if all you've got is the usual mumbo jumbo made out of insinuations and conspiracy theories.

 

You could, of course, continue to ignore that the Democratic Party got a platform, and that it is publicly available (linked even on this topic, surely on previous ones). But even if this was just about Trump - it's enough for some.

 

The nonsense about Harris replacing Biden is another Trump campaign talking point, not supported by anything much. By the same reasoning one could posit Pence will take over from Trump.

 

As for Harris's support - is this another case where you trust polls and such when results fit your narrative?

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4 hours ago, owl sees all said:

I hear that it is a sex-free relationship between Melania and The Don. So there is always a chance.

 

Yeah, only the Mrs. didn't think my comment funny, somehow. I was flattered that she was semi-jealous.

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4 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

The link shows charges have been bought , thats not proof 

 

My error, Bet if it was a democrat charged for voter fraud he would already be convicted in the minds of many on this forum. 

 

It is the second set of charges relating to the matter - doesn't look good.

 

This is the second set of charges for Dowless, who was arrested in February and accused of interfering in the district's primary election. He was charged then with three counts of felonious obstruction of justice, two counts of conspiracy to commit obstruction of justice and two counts of possession of absentee ballots.

 

https://www.npr.org/2019/07/30/746800630/north-carolina-gop-operative-faces-new-felony-charges-that-allege-ballot-fraud

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Just now, simple1 said:

My error, Bet if it was a democrat charged for voter fraud he would already be convicted in the minds of many on this forum. 

 

It is the second set of charges relating to the matter - doesn't look good.

 

This is the second set of charges for Dowless, who was arrested in February and accused of interfering in the district's primary election. He was charged then with three counts of felonious obstruction of justice, two counts of conspiracy to commit obstruction of justice and two counts of possession of absentee ballots.

 

https://www.npr.org/2019/07/30/746800630/north-carolina-gop-operative-faces-new-felony-charges-that-allege-ballot-fraud

You could start a thread about it ?

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3 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

In one way or another everything is Trump's fault.  The left has only a single rationale for everything.  Amazing.

 

And in Trump supporters' minds, Trump can do no wrong. As for Trump, he's simply not responsible for any failures.

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2 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

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I didn't get 'caught in the headlights' but I think you just got run over.

Try as hard as you can, doesn't change the fact of your attempted misrepresentation. 

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3 hours ago, Damual Travesty said:

Yes, wrong, only in jest, Xi is President for life - a fact. Everyone has a motivation for their posts. Another fact.

 

Oh, the he-was-only-kidding routine? Sure. Guess you'd treat it just the same if uttered by Biden or any Democrat. Handily ignoring other examples, or indeed the latest episode of the same. Your motivation seems very clear - deflect and defend.

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3 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

That the statement is true is beyond question.  What more evidence than the past four years do you need?

 

It was just questioned. You have no reply. You do not even have a half-reasonable explanation how or why the opposition acting as opposition implies not accepting results. That's a nice deflection from the fact that Trump himself refuses to commit.

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23 minutes ago, simple1 said:
2 hours ago, Tippaporn said:
3 hours ago, simple1 said:

What more evidence than the past four years do you need?

 

Here we go again, claims made by a trump supporter, then refusing to provide proof, only inuendo / opinion.  To repeat, actual statements from Democratic leadership to support your claim - "For four years the Dems have rejected the results of the 2016 election"

The proof is everywhere.  C'mon, man.  There are no statements to quote as the Dems don't regularly come out and bluntly say it.  But their deeds are the evidence.  Russiagate, the Mueller probe, and the impeachment are the major proofs.  It's all due to their rejection of the 2016 election results and their attempts to remedy it.

In brief, you have no proof to back up your allegation, just your opinion.

Russiagate was the attempt to prevent a Trump presidency or, in the event he became President, remove him from office.  A rejection of the 2016 election results.

 

The Mueller probe was that portion of Russiagate to be used as the vehicle to remove Trump from office.

 

The sham impeachment was another attempt to remedy the results of the 2016 election.

 

These are some of the events which were efforts to overturn the will of the people and remove a sitting president because the Dems rejected the 2016 election results.

 

These are not my opinions.  These events actually transpired.

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