Pique Dard Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 sometimes, i can't help wondering how somebody like trump could be elected president of the seemingly most poweful country in the world! well maybe i should remember the saying: like father like son! like people, like the president ???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plentyofnuttin Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, Tippaporn said: A New York Times opinion piece and you're treating it as fact? Clearly, you didn't bother to read the artilce: Here's a quote: "Rudy Giuliani, one of Mr. Trump’s most zealous acolytes, echoed this cry to carry the battle forward into a Clinton administration. “I guarantee you in one year she’ll be impeached and indicted,” Mr. Giuliani promised Iowa voters this week." 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tippaporn Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 7 minutes ago, plentyofnuttin said: 38 minutes ago, Tippaporn said: So what. Are you suggesting that all previous presidents fulfilled every one of their campaign promises? That would be a ludicrous claim, not to mention easily debunked. But you said we know where Trump stands on the issues. We don't on this one. ANd it wasn't just a campaign. He has repeatedly promised to come up with a health insurance plan. He has repeatedly claimed that he already has one. The last time he made such a promise he claimed that it would be ready in 2 weeks. The 2 weeks was up august 1, 2020. So no, not just a campaign promise but a lie repeatedly told. Presidents don't just wave their arms and make things happen magically. Seems to be your expectation. Trump has achieved a lot. But don't you dare recognize any achievement as such dangerous recognition could turn your world view upside down. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plentyofnuttin Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 Just now, Tippaporn said: Presidents don't just wave their arms and make things happen magically. Seems to be your expectation. Trump has achieved a lot. But don't you dare recognize any achievement as such dangerous recognition could turn your world view upside down. Stop trying to deflect. This issue at hand was Trump's promises on health care. You seem to think that his executive order was an enforceable document. It's not. And you haven't addressed the fact that he has repeatedly lied about his having a health care plan. Not just during the campaign as you characterized it, but throughout his term of office. It's vaporware. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sujo Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Tippaporn said: Presidents don't just wave their arms and make things happen magically. Seems to be your expectation. Trump has achieved a lot. But don't you dare recognize any achievement as such dangerous recognition could turn your world view upside down. Because the US is just so wonderful under his watch. Feel the love. Please feel free to list his achievements. You may find them on his website beside a blank page of his policies. Edited September 25, 2020 by Sujo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plentyofnuttin Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, Tippaporn said: Hillary had a lot of baggage. I wouldn't put her out of the woods yet even at this late date. I'm sure you wouldn't. But then, some still believe that the storm is coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tippaporn Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 Just now, plentyofnuttin said: Stop trying to deflect. This issue at hand was Trump's promises on health care. You seem to think that his executive order was an enforceable document. It's not. And you haven't addressed the fact that he has repeatedly lied about his having a health care plan. Not just during the campaign as you characterized it, but throughout his term of office. It's vaporware. What you call deflection I call addressing your post. In all honesty the healthcare issue is one that I haven't followed as I haven't been resident in the U.S. for quite some years so it doesn't affect me in the slightest. I've said before that I have my own criticisms of Trump but to this I can't speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 5 hours ago, Tippaporn said: Given the insanity of mailing out ballots to everyone, being that it's never been done before which means no one can definitively claim that there won't be fraud, and understanding the high probability that there will be legal contestations, then you'd have to be an idiot to trust that this election's results will be accurate. Biden took the action of hiring 600 lawyers. Does that sound like he's going to willy-nilly accept the election results? Hillary advised not to concede under any circumstances. Let's not forget those facts for a moment. Trump never asked his supporters to vote twice. That's been debunked long ago. Even Snopes, whom I wouldn't trust as far as I could throw them but libs would bet their lives on, had this to say: Mixture What's True Trump told people that if they vote by mail, they should also go to polling places to check whether their mailed-in ballot had been tabulated (advice that election officials do not agree with), and if it hadn't: Vote in person. What's False Although Trump's advice would functionally result in some people attempting to cast two ballots, the stated goal was to ensure people's ballots get counted, not to elicit double voting. Mixture my a$$. Snopes was truthful stating, ". . . the stated goal was to ensure people's ballots get counted, not to elicit double voting." Despite it being debunked there are still a number of posters here who keep repeating it in the vein that Trump was encouraging people to actually vote twice. That Trump tried to meddle in the election via the post office is nothing more than accusations providing evidences which are completely open to interpretation. Yet the left believes their interpretation is the "truth." Not so fast, son. I consider your entire post to be disingenuous by using flawed logic, cherry picking from available facts, using debunked "facts," and relying on unproven accusations. Just the usual bag of nonsense, all of which was addressed on previous topics. There was no definite case made that potential election fraud is a major issue. That's something pushed by Team Trump and allies. And if there were such worries - why choose this time to hamstring the postal service? Why risk more Covid-19 cases? There are bound to be legal contentions from both sides. If you somehow imagine Team Trump's legal mercenaries aren't ready, then guess you're either naive or implying that the Trump campaign is rather incompetent. You can repeat the lie about HRC's advice - but it doesn't make it true. What she actually said was not to concede too early, and make sure all votes were counted - refrain from conceding until it's clear there is no chance of winning. Nothing special, really. As for Trump's double vote bid, you're just playing around with words. There is no precedent for such a procedure as the President was about, that's not a proper way to check if votes were recorded, there is little point to it other than causing trouble. Again, you can opt for the other option, being that Trump is simply incompetent. You believe that Trump appointed a henchman to head the Postal Service, and that this henchman does what he does without any connection whatsoever to Trump. Totally up to you. There were more than one topics including many details involved. Your off-hand, wholesale denial is dully noted. Just my post? I consider your entire posting history as disingenuous. What of it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tippaporn Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 1 minute ago, plentyofnuttin said: 6 minutes ago, Tippaporn said: Hillary had a lot of baggage. I wouldn't put her out of the woods yet even at this late date. I'm sure you wouldn't. But then, some still believe that the storm is coming. What storm might that be? Not following your reference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple1 Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Tippaporn said: LOL. So you have no argument and are reduced to character assassination as your final reply. Neither am I surprised. There is no 'argument' between trump supporters & those who object to his representing the Office of the President of the USA. trump supporters represent the 'three monkeys', there is no debate. It's 'interesting', reading trump supporter post and responding, but the endless deflection, denial and opiniated rants from trump and his followers will not change anyone's POV concerning trump's suitability for the presidency. Sadly it looks as though the trump encouraged divisions within society are only going to get worse leading up to 03/11 - hopefully trump is thoroughly defeated come 03/11 and the Western world can cleanse itself of the poisonous influence of trump et al. Edited September 25, 2020 by simple1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 5 hours ago, riclag said: Jeepers creepers, American icons can't even die in peace! Disrespect from liberal malcontents, exhibit A Guess you were upset about Trump's comments regarding John McCain, huh? Being nasty to them parents of that veteran also. Good old 'swing-voter' hypocrisy in action. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plentyofnuttin Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Tippaporn said: What you call deflection I call addressing your post. In all honesty the healthcare issue is one that I haven't followed as I haven't been resident in the U.S. for quite some years so it doesn't affect me in the slightest. I've said before that I have my own criticisms of Trump but to this I can't speak. "In all honesty..." Uh huh. Just like you claimed that there are things about Trump that you don't like but you won't share them with us. You've given us no reason to believe that assertion and plenty of them not to. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plentyofnuttin Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Morch said: Guess you were upset about Trump's comments regarding John McCain, huh? Being nasty to them parents of that veteran also. Good old 'swing-voter' hypocrisy in action. On the other hand, there was the time he called some Republicans "human scum." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 5 hours ago, riclag said: For centuries ,America has made it clear the constitution has given the sole responsibility of nominating a SCJ to the office of the President! It's a long tradition ! Thank god for that despite objections from the left! I wish they would stop dividing America and the institution Claims to care about the constitution, doesn't care when the President refuses to commit accepting the election results. Cheers for a President constantly pushing a partisan narrative, wishes others would 'stop dividing America'. What a traditionalist... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thingamabob Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 Disgustung, totally inappropriate behaviour by those jeering. They give the US a far worse image than anything Donald Trump has done. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorpusChristie Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 25 minutes ago, Morch said: So you hold Trump to the same standards of people who by your apparent reckoning can be equated with arsonists, rioters, cop killers? Everyone should be judged by the same standards, IMO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plentyofnuttin Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Thingamabob said: Disgustung, totally inappropriate behaviour by those jeering. They give the US a far worse image than anything Donald Trump has done. This from just 5 days ago: "President Trump on Tuesday mocked journalists who were hit with rubber bullets and assailed by police while covering protests against racial injustice this summer. The president, during a rally in Pennsylvania, recounted watching the demonstrations play out as he lamented that law enforcement had not been allowed to go in and break up the protests. But he was more gleeful when describing how MSNBC's Ali Velshi was hit in the knee with a rubber bullet, though he misidentified the reporter and the object that struck" https://thehill.com/homenews/media/517713-trump-mocks-reporters-who-were-roughed-up-by-police-during-protests 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 4 hours ago, Tippaporn said: The proof is everywhere. C'mon, man. There are no statements to quote as the Dems don't regularly come out and bluntly say it. But their deeds are the evidence. Russiagate, the Mueller probe, and the impeachment are the major proofs. It's all due to their rejection of the 2016 election results and their attempts to remedy it. Sounds like one of your usual forays into conspiracy theory land. You listed three items, all of which are connected to the same issue, so basically making one item. You want to deny everything about it? That's alright. Not much to do with facts, but whatever keeps you worm and snug in that echo chamber. Unless you missed it, oppositions are not supposed to roll over. There is nothing wrong with addressing the issues which came up, there is nothing wrong with criticizing Trump. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 A post violating Fair Use policy and numerous replies have been removed. I strongly suggest members stay on topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 4 hours ago, Tippaporn said: Their conclusion is utterly subjective. Which is why I would never rely on Snopes for anything. They should deal with the facts as they are rather than provide their "analysis" to interpret the facts according to their left leaning bias. That is not fact checking. It's presenting facts with personal commentary. Their only conclusion should have been that Trump did not suggest voters actually vote twice and end of story. So you freely admit to cherry-picking, and yet earlier blamed me for the very same. Trumplogic at work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 4 hours ago, CorpusChristie said: And imagine their reaction if Trump had been the one doing the jeering , I am quite sure they would then find jeering at a funeral to be a terrible thing to do Again, are you holding Trump to the same standards of people you basically vilified on earlier posts? Should not the President be held to a higher standard or set a good example? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorpusChristie Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, Morch said: Again, are you holding Trump to the same standards of people you basically vilified on earlier posts? Should not the President be held to a higher standard or set a good example? I dont think anybody should disrupt a funeral, for any reason . How about you, do you feel that its acceptable to interrupt a funeral ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 4 hours ago, Tippaporn said: By all means provide indisputable evidence along with some quotes. Don't bother if your going to provide interpreted evidence. Whatever other so-called Republican shenanigans you're referring to don't carry weight as they're not related to the Trump campaign. Oh, I see - so you are allowed 'interpreted evidence' whereas such is not acceptable in order to refute your views? Are you for real? Trump just said he will not commit to accepting election results. You want do dismiss this? Minimize it? What? The Republicans have nothing to do with Trump's campaign? Again, are you for real? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 4 hours ago, CorpusChristie said: I am not an expert, but I believe that if a person is the type of person to jeer and disturb the peace at a funeral , they would also be the type of person to riot and loot . If a person displays an aspect of behaving badly , they are quite likely to have other aspects of bad behavior I see, so other than your inexpert opinion, this view is not actually based on anything much. I'm not familiar with any behavioral model which makes direct strong connection as you claim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plentyofnuttin Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said: I dont think anybody should disrupt a funeral, for any reason . How about you, do you feel that its acceptable to interrupt a funeral ? It's situational. Depends on how the deceased's nearest and dearest feel about it. They might not be offended in the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 3 hours ago, Isaan sailor said: Likely approved and subsidized by George Soros. Likely a tired old conspiracy theory. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 3 hours ago, CorpusChristie said: One persons opinion on what he may have said it, but, no proof and the guy isnt suggesting that he heard Trump say it . Just one guy with an opinion on whether the allegations are true or not You're one guy with such an opinion. The story (or parts of it) however, was confirmed by other media venues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 3 hours ago, CorpusChristie said: Those are measures being taken to stop voter fraud Slowing down the mail, closing polling stations are measures taken to stop voter fraud. Sure. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorpusChristie Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Morch said: You're one guy with such an opinion. The story (or parts of it) however, was confirmed by other media venues. It actually wasnt , the main allegation was never proven and as far as I am aware , the people who made the claim remained anonymous 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorpusChristie Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Morch said: Slowing down the mail, closing polling stations are measures taken to stop voter fraud. Sure. Why were polling stations closed ? I am quite sure there would be a valid reason for that 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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