Going to Hell in a hand basket? Yep.

2 hours ago, brain150 said:

I don't understand why anybody still thinks the Government has any interest in bringing back

mass tourism.

The Supreme Leader is a huge pawn of the UN and their Agenda 2030 does not include mass tourism !

Quite the opposite ! Mass tourism and sustainability are opposites and as such are no longer wanted !

To reach this target, the tourism industry needs to be destroyed and reshaped ... world wide.

 

Airlines going broke ! All part of the agenda !!!

 

... look at what they do - not at what they say !!!

This is not over by a long shot and it will get much worse in the next 3 month

Blame the worthless UN?

That surely is a new one.

Last time I looked the Wuhan virus originated from a military Laboratory in Wuhan, and that is in China.

China, the more and more inward looking country where expat foreigners are actively hunted away, where minorities are actively "re-educated" and whose rules and regulations for westerners seem to become more and more valid in Thailand.

Now, why would that be?

Probably closer to 5 million unemployed long term. Unless they do something. Do anything. Just don't do nothing! 

 

A simple plan. A non antigen test 72 hours before the flight. And Thailand ups their game, and invests in some modern technology, and provides on the spot antigen testing at Suvarnabhumi or elsewhere. It is easy. You pass two different tests, using two different methodologies, and you are covid free.

 

Welcome. No health insurance required. No groveling at a consulate. No quarantine. Welcome to Thailand. Have a great trip. And thanks so much for bringing a bundle of cash. Our people really need it. 

 

No panic. No fear mongering. Double testing. You are safe. We are safe. Life is good. 

 

Thailand needs courageous leadership. They don't have it. The army are major cowards. At a minimum, ANY person from ANY nation should be welcome starting tomorrow, if they are willing to subject themselves to a 14 day quarantine and pay excessive fees for that two week sentence. There is no downside or risk, and only upside for the nation. No groveling from a local consulate should be required. That is utter nonsense. A covid free letter and a booking at an approved hotel.

 

But, the double testing plan would attract millions of tourists, and the quarantine plan several thousand only. 

He says that 500,000 of the 4.2 million working in the tourism business have lost their job. With tourism down 99.52%, what are the remaining 3.7 million still in jobs actually doing?

39 minutes ago, Bangkok Barry said:

He says that 500,000 of the 4.2 million working in the tourism business have lost their job. With tourism down 99.52%, what are the remaining 3.7 million still in jobs actually doing?

In north-east Thailand and other non tourist places in Thailand I have stayed in several hotels earlier and there were very few foreigners staying there. So many of the 3.7 million employees are probably still working with Thai tourists and business travelers. And there are also many Thais that go go places like Pattaya, Cha-am and Bang Saen on weekend trips.

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Will this government help business owners any kind on relief package?

I own a small resort and have lost all my business. No help or package for government yet. In fact I need to pay salaries, social security for 4 if not I will not have my visa!!! Electricity and water needs to be paid.

We need here !!!!! or open the borderes!

I am currently in Madeira, me being locked out of Thailand, and my wife who went to Thailand to visit her family, locked inside Thailand.

Madeira requires a covid test max 72 hours before arrival - and it works!

Madeira has been almost covid free ever since the start of the Xi Jinping flu.

2 hours ago, natway09 said:

Does this guy really think that the Government is not aware of tourism's plight ?

He must be a slow learner.

The Government has been trying to protect the lives of it's people & this unprecedented situation

is a balancing act with some dire consequences if caution is thrown to the wind.

Have a look at France right now 

A million unemployed and facing hardship you don’t think is a dire consequence? Don’t need to look at France- look closer to home in thailand and the closure (many permanently) and destruction of the tourist infrastructure . That’s not easily coming back at the push of a button.

It seems that every day more and more of the elite, who have been losing billions of business and revenue from the tourism industry thanks to Prayuts policy of isolation, are fed up with him and are standing up to oppose the olive-green dinosours. 

Read carefully:  When the vaccine successfully rolls out, most probably in the spring next year, the next hurdle must be wide availability.  How long will that take?  Probably years.  

The hurt that tourism is feeling right now is nothing compared to what it will be next year.  Ladies and gentlemen (mostly the latter), the pain has only begun.  

2021 will be mostly a write-off too.  How about 2022?  These are the questions people should be asking, because this year is in the dust bin already.  

3 hours ago, brain150 said:

I don't understand why anybody still thinks the Government has any interest in bringing back

mass tourism.

The Supreme Leader is a huge pawn of the UN and their Agenda 2030 does not include mass tourism !

Quite the opposite ! Mass tourism and sustainability are opposites and as such are no longer wanted !

To reach this target, the tourism industry needs to be destroyed and reshaped ... world wide.

 

Airlines going broke ! All part of the agenda !!!

 

... look at what they do - not at what they say !!!

This is not over by a long shot and it will get much worse in the next 3 month

Nice to read someone that still reads official documents and doesn't just believe and watch television.  Unfortunately, Brain150, we will have to all go down with the lemmings because there are still not enough of us that question or bother about what is going on, but when I read such messages as yours, it gives me hope.

5 hours ago, RotBenz8888 said:

They should use this spare time to contemplate how they have treated foreign tourists.

But they have contemplated it, they just want to microchip you and see where your spending the money.  Honestly it will help them to close the loop and make the businesses become obsolete so they can steer the money back into there pockets and not the little peoples.

2 hours ago, ChipButty said:

This just feels like we have turned the clock back 25 years, when I first arrived in Thailand

To me, this feels like East Germany that I visited 40 years ago.

2 hours ago, ChipButty said:

This just feels like we have turned the clock back 25 years, when I first arrived in Thailand

Which is the exact / good reason why people came to Thailand 25 years ago - and spoiled it for the last 25 years.

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1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

Probably closer to 5 million unemployed long term. Unless they do something. Do anything. Just don't do nothing! 

 

A simple plan. A non antigen test 72 hours before the flight. And Thailand ups their game, and invests in some modern technology, and provides on the spot antigen testing at Suvarnabhumi or elsewhere. It is easy. You pass two different tests, using two different methodologies, and you are covid free.

 

Welcome. No health insurance required. No groveling at a consulate. No quarantine. Welcome to Thailand. Have a great trip. And thanks so much for bringing a bundle of cash. Our people really need it. 

 

No panic. No fear mongering. Double testing. You are safe. We are safe. Life is good. 

 

Thailand needs courageous leadership. They don't have it. The army are major cowards. At a minimum, ANY person from ANY nation should be welcome starting tomorrow, if they are willing to subject themselves to a 14 day quarantine and pay excessive fees for that two week sentence. There is no downside or risk, and only upside for the nation. No groveling from a local consulate should be required. That is utter nonsense. A covid free letter and a booking at an approved hotel.

 

But, the double testing plan would attract millions of tourists, and the quarantine plan several thousand only. 

The one thing you are forgetting, is people around the world have been financially stressed by this pandemic. Not just Thai's.

 

People are unemployed, working on reduced salaries or have been forced to run up their bills in many cases surviving.

 

The odds of millions of tourist coming to Thailand is not realistic even if Thailand is fully opened.

 

 

39 minutes ago, Diddl said:

To me, this feels like East Germany that I visited 40 years ago.

We did some work in east Germany and Poland back in the 70's we thought we had it good compared to that

15 minutes ago, bwpage3 said:

The one thing you are forgetting, is people around the world have been financially stressed by this pandemic. Not just Thai's.

 

People are unemployed, working on reduced salaries or have been forced to run up their bills in many cases surviving.

 

The odds of millions of tourist coming to Thailand is not realistic even if Thailand is fully opened.

 

 

You are likely correct. The (COTU) center of the universe) attitude continues. One would hope there would have been  room for personal growth, with this disaster here. That the ministers might develop some common sense and humility. This is what you get when you choose a cabinet of only wealthy people, who have no talent or experience in their appointed fields. 

 

Cronyism often leads to mediocrity, or worse. And who suffers? The little guy. And who is the little guy here? The average household income nationwide here was 27,000 baht in 2017. And it has been falling, ever since. And now? 

 

I doubt if we will see 20 million tourists here again, in our lifetimes. Things change and Thailand did not get with the program, and do what it needed to do. Many other more progressive nations did. The army has been moving the nation backwards, long before Covid. 

Mass tourism is a scourge, and Thailand is better off without it. Tourists in such vast numbers destroy what they come to see.

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

You are likely correct. The (COTU) center of the universe) attitude continues. One would hope there would have been  room for personal growth, with this disaster here. That the ministers might develop some common sense and humility. This is what you get when you choose a cabinet of only wealthy people, who have no talent or experience in their appointed fields. 

 

Cronyism often leads to mediocrity, or worse. And who suffers? The little guy. And who is the little guy here? The average household income nationwide here was 27,000 baht in 2017. And it has been falling, ever since. And now? 

 

I doubt if we will see 20 million tourists here again, in our lifetimes. Things change and Thailand did not get with the program, and do what it needed to do. Many other more progressive nations did. The army has been moving the nation backwards, long before Covid. 

I've trying to point out this crucial fact over many many threads.

 

For millions of people across the world, careers and finances have been devastated, and I can only imagine using more of their savings to hop on a log haul flight to Thailand, if and when it reopens is fanciful nonsense.

 

There are many people who are even now are unemployed, they just don't know it yet. But wait until all the support packages across the world stop!

 

As the CARES act in the US finished on Oct 1st, the airlines have started furloughing 10's of thousands of workers, and what I read on the BBC the same thing is about to happen in the UK

 

I'm sure those folks just think 'ah f^^k it, might just as well go lie on a beach in Thailand now I got more free time'

Edited October 2, 20205 yr by GinBoy2

3 hours ago, Lacessit said:

What's the email address? I may be able to help, if it's a good looking buffalo.

do you mean your contemplating having sex with a buffalo    ?

I hate to sound positive, but think about this:

 

If the global and Thai economies take a hit of 25%, that would set us back to about the year 2 000.

We all survived the year 2 000, didn't we? I even think I recall we were all doing well in 2 000.

32 minutes ago, steven100 said:

do you mean your contemplating having sex with a buffalo    ?

I want to live life to the full.

34 minutes ago, steven100 said:

do you mean your contemplating having sex with a buffalo    ?

I will refrain from making racist jokes that involve arabs and goats.

2 hours ago, Diddl said:

To me, this feels like East Germany that I visited 40 years ago.

If you mean that that it is the plan of the powers that be to turn the country into a Stasi state, yes that's certainly true. And the technical means today are much more sophisticated. This is scary indeed.

 

However, there are some differences between both countries. Thailand is not leninist-socialistic, it rather is a centuries old feudalistic totalitarian state led by ultra rich families in a mafia-like style. Never its leaders seemed to have altruistic ideals, which at least partly was the case within socialism and communism in the beginning, around 100 years ago. Beyond extremly unfair political cases, the rule of law in Eastern Germany was more fair than in Thailand, where you are untouchable if you have enough money and can land in jail for decades for mushroom picking. But also East Germany was completely unfree. 

 

On the positive side, the Thais have a more anarchic mindset, which makes it more difficult to control them. And Thailand is colorful and not as monotone and grey as East Germany 40 years ago. The weather surely is much better, and, most importantly, the girls are way more stunning here.

 

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2 hours ago, Blumpie said:

Read carefully:  When the vaccine successfully rolls out, most probably in the spring next year, the next hurdle must be wide availability.  How long will that take?  Probably years.  

The hurt that tourism is feeling right now is nothing compared to what it will be next year.  Ladies and gentlemen (mostly the latter), the pain has only begun.  

2021 will be mostly a write-off too.  How about 2022?  These are the questions people should be asking, because this year is in the dust bin already.  

It does depend on the definition of success. A vaccine that is only 50% effective leaves the other 50% still vulnerable.

IMO unrestricted travel between countries won't be happening for at least two years, at best. I am planning accordingly.

My late November flight back to Australia which I booked in February has just been cancelled by the airline, a straw in the wind.

6 hours ago, brain150 said:

This is not over by a long shot and it will get much worse in the next 3 month

The aftermath will last for years, literally the entire next decade until the masses are begging for whatever is offered

24 minutes ago, oldhippy said:

I will refrain from making racist jokes that involve arabs and goats.

Camels are too high off the ground.

MMMM   comment   why bother  ??

Good Luck Thailand 

Don't get me wrong but there must be many many more affected and having lost their jobs or business. The entire supplying industry in food, local logistics/transportation etc. as well as all the unemployed "guest relation officers" of the walking streets of Phuket, Pattaya, Bangkok and Chiang Mai - just to name a few. 

How very sad ........ 

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

My late November flight back to Australia which I booked in February has just been cancelled by the airline, a straw in the wind.

and that was for November ....   geeze,  what chance have you got    !