Trumpers in a tiz about something about a guy who isnt even running for office.

 

Last week they were in a tiz saying biden will be dead before being sworn in.

 

Perhaps you could point to what jo biden did wrong. No one blamed trump for ivanka selling things on behalf of trump and she actually is in public office.

Ratcliffe is a partisan, former conservative Republican congressman/Trump ally appointed to his post by Trump with no prior qualifying experience. He's a political Trump hack, and has zero credibility especially on Trump related matters:

 

Quote

 

DNI Ratcliffe has broken his promise to keep politics out of intelligence, intelligence veterans say

 

When he was nominated to become director of national intelligence, then-congressman John Ratcliffe (R-Tex.) confronted accusations from Democrats and intelligence veterans that a vocal political ally of President Trump was ill-suited to lead the nation’s intelligence community, which prides itself as apolitical and nonpartisan.

...

But Ratcliffe, who had no significant background in intelligence, failed to meet his commitments when he recently declassified documents that included sensitive intelligence about Russians discussing Hillary Clinton and her 2016 presidential campaign, current and former officials said.
 

Ratcliffe’s disclosures, which he told lawmakers came “at the direction of the president of the United States,” amount to a disinformation operation run by the nation’s top intelligence official, in service of a president who has long accused the intelligence agencies of conspiring against him, the current and former intelligence officials said.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/dni-ratcliffe-has-broken-his-promise-to-keep-politics-out-of-intelligence-agency-veterans-say/2020/10/08/2dded958-0985-11eb-9be6-cf25fb429f1a_story.html

 

Edited October 21, 20205 yr by TallGuyJohninBKK

48 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

In case you missed my above post. You say it's a big fake carried out by Russians who planted emails in Biden's laptop. While Biden's campaign surrogate said “I don’t think anybody is saying they are inauthentic.”

 Please read that again. NOBODY is saying they are inauthentic. That means even the Biden team isn't saying the Russians dunnit. That should give you pause for thought.

 

"Over the weekend, Biden campaign surrogate Jenna Arnold repeatedly refused to deny the authenticity of the alleged Hunter Biden emails. When asked by Fox News’ Leland Vittert if they were genuine, Arnold responded, “I don’t think anybody is saying they are inauthentic.”

https://starherald.com/opinion/columnists/syndicated/cal-thomas-can-joe-biden-be-trusted/article_d4711f9c-4939-5627-8d7c-f75ea66edb2f.html

 

Bottom line no matter how much effort you and others invest, at this stage no charges have been laid against Biden or his son, in spite of trump his enablers rabbiting on about the situation very day. As the trump world says it's a 'nothing burger'' on the other hand corruption at play.

 

FACT Checking claims H. Biden has child porno on his laptop; link...

 

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/oct/20/facebook-posts/fact-checking-unproven-claims-about-hunter-biden-a/

 

If proven to be conspiracy etc one hopes the likes of Giuliani are prosecuted to the full extent of the law i.e. jailed.

 

 

Edited October 21, 20205 yr by simple1

7 minutes ago, simple1 said:

If proven to be conspiracy etc one hopes the likes of Giuliani are prosecuted to the full extent of the law i.e. jailed.

Agree 100%. He should face a huge sentence. Given the seriousness of his claims I would find a life sentence appropriate if he made this up, or knew it was false. Plus all those involved.

 But similarly, if the emails are all proven legitimate, I would like to see all MSM that tried to cover it up and censor it held to account. They never acted the same when when it was Trumps tax returns turning up, or the recent military being "losers" stories. If they are proven to know the emails are legitimate and censored the story, covering up the truth to run a false narrative, with the goal being to swing a tightly fought election, that is a crime up there in seriousness with a possible Giuliani hoax.

  I hope we can all agree on this?

14 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

I would like to see all MSM that tried to cover it up and censor it held to account

Giuliani refused to make available copy of content (could easily have been overseen in a secure environment) of the HD for analysis and research by MSN. Will have to wait and see the outcome of the investigation by independent law enforcement, not the highly politised DoJ under Barr; trump's creation. trump has a great deal of negative issues to face once he has been removed from power

58 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Ratcliffe is a partisan, former conservative Republican congressman/Trump ally appointed to his post by Trump with no prior qualifying experience. He's a political Trump hack, and has zero credibility especially on Trump related matters:

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/dni-ratcliffe-has-broken-his-promise-to-keep-politics-out-of-intelligence-agency-veterans-say/2020/10/08/2dded958-0985-11eb-9be6-cf25fb429f1a_story.html

 

Good!  I would hold DNI Radcliff a traitor  and treasonous  if he didn't confirm what the fbi concurs !

Edited October 21, 20205 yr by riclag

17 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Agree 100%. He should face a huge sentence. Given the seriousness of his claims I would find a life sentence appropriate if he made this up, or knew it was false. Plus all those involved.

 But similarly, if the emails are all proven legitimate, I would like to see all MSM that tried to cover it up and censor it held to account.

How are they gonna be "held to account" for publishing, but not putting much weight on, this "story" that stinks to high heaven? 

33 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Agree 100%. He should face a huge sentence. Given the seriousness of his claims I would find a life sentence appropriate if he made this up, or knew it was false. Plus all those involved.

 But similarly, if the emails are all proven legitimate, I would like to see all MSM that tried to cover it up and censor it held to account. They never acted the same when when it was Trumps tax returns turning up, or the recent military being "losers" stories. If they are proven to know the emails are legitimate and censored the story, covering up the truth to run a false narrative, with the goal being to swing a tightly fought election, that is a crime up there in seriousness with a possible Giuliani hoax.

  I hope we can all agree on this?

Brilliant! I think we all here will agree on that 100 percent if he made this up or knew it was false

32 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Agree 100%. He should face a huge sentence. Given the seriousness of his claims I would find a life sentence appropriate if he made this up, or knew it was false. Plus all those involved.

 But similarly, if the emails are all proven legitimate, I would like to see all MSM that tried to cover it up and censor it held to account. They never acted the same when when it was Trumps tax returns turning up, or the recent military being "losers" stories. If they are proven to know the emails are legitimate and censored the story, covering up the truth to run a false narrative, with the goal being to swing a tightly fought election, that is a crime up there in seriousness with a possible Giuliani hoax.

  I hope we can all agree on this?

Trumps has never released his returns. If he has an issue he can sue, but then he must show any reports are wrong. Given his office and his penchant for suing why hasnt he done that. Hmm.

 

Msm never tried to censor or cover it up. Good journalists confirm with their own contacts to verify. They could not do that.

 

For trump calling military losers it was verified. Even fox news used their own sources to verify it. You have used fox news links on this matter so u must find that accusation credible. Yes?

7 minutes ago, riclag said:

Good!  I would hold DNI Radcliff a traitor  and treasonous  if he didn't confirm what the fbi concurs !

The fbi said they cannot add anything to the senate inquiry. So they did not confirm what he said was true. Its in the link.

22 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Giuliani refused to make available copy of content (could easily have been overseen in a secure environment) of the HD for analysis and research by MSN. Will have to wait and see the outcome of the investigation by independent law enforcement, not the highly politised DoJ under Barr; trump's creation. trump has a great deal of negative issues to face once he has been removed from power

Barr is the chief law enforcement  officer in the USA!  He calls the shots! Americans against biden,schiff ,twitter , facebook and the msm have just got spectacular news, the laptop has nothin to do with a russian disinfo campaign ! 

 

Edited October 21, 20205 yr by riclag

19 minutes ago, riclag said:

Brilliant! I think we all here will agree on that 100 percent if he made this up or knew it was false

Agreed 100%.  Let’s see who the real liars are.

No matter what goes on in the future what the fbi did by saying ,"The FBI and Justice Department concur with DNI Ratcliffe"   verifies radcliff's credibility ! 

As long as Radcliff can get backup from the fbi ,in this matter imop OMG! 

Edited October 21, 20205 yr by riclag

14 minutes ago, riclag said:

Barr is the chief law enforcement  officer in the USA!  He calls the shots! Americans against biden,schiff ,twitter , facebook and the msm have just got spectacular news, the laptop has nothin to do with a russian disinfo campaign ! 

 

 

Endlessly repeating the same partisan spin coming from Trump appointees and partisans with a history of using their government offices to advance Trump's political interests doesn't make the spurious assertions any more true.

1 hour ago, Berkshire said:

You just don't get it.  The Russians hacked into Burisma.  Most likely got into H. Biden's account.  So they probably have his "authentic" e-mails.  The Russians throw some forged e-mails in there (the incriminating ones) and those are the one's that Rudy was wetting himself over.  Classic Russian disinformation campaign. 

Except such a 'faked computer' is very easy to detect, especially for FBI experts. This PC was allegedly used by Hunter Biden for years, running apps, reading, writing, opening, closing, editing, downloading, viewing, copy/pasting, and organizing material as he worked.

 

Every operation leaves behind traces of all this work in a clear time related pattern. Beware, old versions of edited files are often left in the drive's 'freespace' as the OS avoids writing repeatedly to the same spot. Even if the Russian's stole the computer and filled it with fake info, it would be easy to spot. This is one reason why most (except the panicked MSM) dismiss a Russian plant.

 

 

1 hour ago, TopDeadSenter said:

link proving the actual laptop Giulinani handed in to the Delaware police contained no metadata and only pdf files please?

 

I am not sure it's the right question.

The right question is: why is it that Giuliani did not release its proof (incl. Metadata) for all to see and check?

Edited October 21, 20205 yr by candide

20 minutes ago, candide said:

I am not sure it's the right question.

The right question is: why is it that Giuliani did not release its proof (incl. Metadata) for all to see and check?

Possibly worried bad actors (no not Danny DeVito) would insert false files themselves and crow loudly from the rooftops its a fake, therefore muddying the waters and compromising the reliability of the evidence? Giuliani handed it in to police. Seems rational, and I am happy he did this, rather than say hand it over to snopes or the like to "fact check" it.

 At any rate, police have physical possession of the lappy. Should not be long until news of it being a hoax or otherwise is known. The stakes are incredibly high.

1 hour ago, riclag said:

Barr is the chief law enforcement  officer in the USA!  He calls the shots! Americans against biden,schiff ,twitter , facebook and the msm have just got spectacular news, the laptop has nothin to do with a russian disinfo campaign ! 

 

Given the corruption of Biden's reputation by trump, couldn't trust anything coming out of his Office which has political connotations - this is the sorry state of what America has become under trump - way past due for trump to be removed from Office.

10 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Given the corruption of Biden's reputation by trump, couldn't trust anything coming out of his Office which has political connotations - this is the sorry state of what America has become under trump - way past due for trump to be removed from Office.

Deported to Russia?

1 hour ago, riclag said:

Barr is the chief law enforcement  officer in the USA!

Barr is trump's lapdog, plain and simple.

39 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Possibly worried bad actors (no not Danny DeVito) would insert false files themselves and crow loudly from the rooftops its a fake, therefore muddying the waters and compromising the reliability of the evidence? Giuliani handed it in to police. Seems rational, and I am happy he did this, rather than say hand it over to snopes or the like to "fact check" it.

 At any rate, police have physical possession of the lappy. Should not be long until news of it being a hoax or otherwise is known. The stakes are incredibly high.

Look at point 6. There is no metadata and many things wrong. Perhaps search ypurself.

 

https://techcrunch.com/2020/10/14/suspect-provenance-of-hunter-biden-data-cache-prompts-skepticism-and-social-media-bans/

3 hours ago, Sujo said:

3 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

He already has.

 

"The former New York City mayor said he turned the laptop over to police in Delaware with Bernard Kerik because he felt "uncomfortable" with it in his possession in an interview Monday with Newsmax TV's Greg Kelly."

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/10/20/giuliani_i_turned_over_hunter_bidens_laptop_with_pictures_of_underage_girls_to_delaware_police.html

It has no metadata, only pdf files. Why is that, so it cannot be traced as fake. Putin must be laughing into his vodka.

Wrong! Putin is a martini (that is six parts vodka) man, not vodka. He thinks he's 007. I hunt for ancient permafrost animals with him occasionally so I should know. He's never mentioned Hunter's laptop, BTW. 

 

 

Edited October 21, 20205 yr by MaxYakov

8 minutes ago, MaxYakov said:

Wrong! Putin is a martini (that is six parts vodka) man, not vodka. He thinks he's 007. I hunt for ancient permafrost animals with him occasionally so I should know. He's never mentioned Hunter's laptop, BTW. 

 

 

Daniel Craig has a putinian twist in his kind of beauty, LOL

Edited October 21, 20205 yr by Opl

On 10/15/2020 at 3:32 AM, OneMoreFarang said:

Do they censor what they don't like or what is unconfirmed?

It seems lots of stories seem to become "real" when they are repeated often enough on social media. Is that good?

I.e. that stupid Q-Anon conspiracy. Wouldn't it be much better if social media would not have spread that and other crazy conspiracy theories?

 

I think it should be the duty of the media to publish the truth. But I guess I am a little old-fashioned with that expectation.

What they dont like.  Facts, science, evidence, and most other matters of importance have little to do with what they censor.   if they censored fake news then why did these stories get through::

Covington Catholic / Nick Sandman

Jussie Smollett

Trump Russia Collusion Story

Bubba Wallace

Kavanaugh Hoax
 

All of the above (and many more) were never censored even when they were not confirmed.

 

The left no longer has an argument.  Read though the posts here and everywhere else and its a giant echo chamber.  All you see is efforts to discredit the source and not the content,  You wanna know how i know you (collectively) fall victim to propaganda?  Your answers are always the same (depending on what side of the isle you're on.  

 

 

Wake up people, the government is not telling you the truth, the corporate media is not a trusted source, and it doesnt matter if Trump or Biden wins.  If voting made a difference they wouldnt let you do it.

 

 

10 minutes ago, yourauntbob said:

Wake up people, the government is not telling you the truth, the corporate media is not a trusted source, and it doesnt matter if Trump or Biden wins.  If voting made a difference they wouldnt let you do it.

 

 

 

Very true, which is why we laugh at those claiming media peer validation of media stories make them true, or false.  Quite a few snoozers have just taken the blue pill, and will blindly follow the media lead like a buffalo with a nose ring.  The real threat is those with a hidden agenda that are using the media to influence.  Makes you wonder what their objective is if they need to lie and use propaganda to meet that objective.

29 minutes ago, RoadWarrior371 said:

 

Very true, which is why we laugh at those claiming media peer validation of media stories make them true, or false.  Quite a few snoozers have just taken the blue pill, and will blindly follow the media lead like a buffalo with a nose ring.  The real threat is those with a hidden agenda that are using the media to influence.  Makes you wonder what their objective is if they need to lie and use propaganda to meet that objective.

So you now believe the government (Trump) is not telling the truth. ???? 

Possibly emails came from Ukraine, not a broken laptop.

https://www.politicususa.com/2020/10/21/giuliani-emails-ukraine.html

2 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Possibly emails came from Ukraine, not a broken laptop.

https://www.politicususa.com/2020/10/21/giuliani-emails-ukraine.html

If so, it is high time Biden sr and jr came out and publicly stated "These emails are fake, Hunter Biden did not write any of them, the whole story is a hoax".

 If this happens, then there would be grounds to call the story contested. But nearly a week in to this scandal, the Bidens have yet to deny the authenticity, and ONCE AGAIN I point out the Bidens own campaign surrogate said 

"I don't think anybody is saying they are inauthentic".

 

Stevenl, pls explain why you feel you have better info than the Bidens? If somebody went public with a made up claim to defame me I would deny it immediately and loudly. In this case the only people denying the veracity of the whole story - and making dubious claims such as Ukrainians or Russians made it up -(against the credible and informed statements by the DOJ, NI and FBI and Bidens own team who say there is no Russian aspect here/and the emails are authentic) are the left.

26 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

If so, it is high time Biden sr and jr came out and publicly stated "These emails are fake, Hunter Biden did not write any of them, the whole story is a hoax".

 

 

 

When Biden comes out of his hole, let me know if he sees his shadow or not. ????️

 

  I need to plan my November\December vacation. ????

58 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

If so, it is high time Biden sr and jr came out and publicly stated "These emails are fake, Hunter Biden did not write any of them, the whole story is a hoax".

 If this happens, then there would be grounds to call the story contested. But nearly a week in to this scandal, the Bidens have yet to deny the authenticity, and ONCE AGAIN I point out the Bidens own campaign surrogate said 

"I don't think anybody is saying they are inauthentic".

 

Stevenl, pls explain why you feel you have better info than the Bidens? If somebody went public with a made up claim to defame me I would deny it immediately and loudly. In this case the only people denying the veracity of the whole story - and making dubious claims such as Ukrainians or Russians made it up -(against the credible and informed statements by the DOJ, NI and FBI and Bidens own team who say there is no Russian aspect here/and the emails are authentic) are the left.

Right now this has only gotten traction in the right wing corner, nowhere else. So you may have acted differently, but it seems Biden's response was the right one.

 

What many people don't seem to understand is that the basis of the misinformation is to intertwine fake with real. So Biden can not declare 'all emails are fake', because a part will be real.

Edited October 22, 20205 yr by stevenl