Brexit brinkmanship: Johnson says prepare for no-deal, cancels trade talks

[Surelynot]

3 minutes ago, vogie said:

Mr Gove saying  "No we are still in the huff and dont want to talk".

He said Downing Street, not Gove....and it's called paraphrasing.

[vogie]

2 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

He said Downing Street, not Gove....and it's called paraphrasing.

Provide a quote where Downing St said that then!

[Surelynot]

4 minutes ago, vogie said:

Provide a quote where Downing St said that then!

Do you not understand the term paraphrasing?

[Surelynot]

7 minutes ago, vogie said:

Provide a quote where Downing St said that then!

 

[Rookiescot]

15 minutes ago, vogie said:

Thanks for the link but I cannot find anywhere the quote you mentioned, would you mind highlighting it. I'm suspecting though that he never said it, would that be a fair conclusion. Just to remind you you quoted Mr Gove saying  "No we are still in the huff and dont want to talk".

The nearest quote I can see from your link is Gove saying "Even while I have been at the dispatch box it has been reported that there has been a constructive move on the part of the EU and I welcome that … obviously we need to work on the basis of the proposed intensification they propose. And I prefer to look forward in optimism than look back in anger.”

 

I never said Gove said that. Go back and read my post.

[Surelynot]

8 minutes ago, vogie said:

Provide a quote where Downing St said that then!

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/oct/19/brexit-gove-praises-constructive-move-as-eu-agrees-to-intensify-talks?CMP=share_btn_link

[vogie]

2 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

Do you not understand the term paraphrasing?

You do not use quotation marks when paraphrasing because that would be plagiarism, something you are well aware of.

[vogie]

1 minute ago, Rookiescot said:

I never said Gove said that. Go back and read my post.

Where did you get your quote from, did you make it up?

[Rookiescot]

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

Totally agree. The SNP are deliberately ramping up fear about the consequences of Brexit and using the fear that they themselves generated to try to justify another vote.

 

We need to come out and let it settle down for a few years, maybe a decade. Let everyone see Project Fear for the pack of lies it was and then have a vote to see if Scotland still wants to leave the successful, post Brexit UK to gamble on being allowed into the EU. 

 

Wouldn't it be hilarious if they left the UK and got refused entry to the EU. Or leave the UK just as the EU's house of cards started to fall. They'd inadvertently get the Independence they keep pretending they want ????.

You sound frustrated and angry.

[Surelynot]

1 minute ago, vogie said:

You do not use quotation marks when paraphrasing because that would be plagiarism, something you are well aware of.

...something, of which, you are well aware.

 

Should not ended a sentence with of......whoops, just did it.

[Rookiescot]

1 minute ago, vogie said:

Where did you get your quote from, did you make it up?

Actually what I said was Downing street was telling the world...........

Do you actually want to argue about whether roads can really talk?

Its called paraphrasing. People use it all the time.

My point is theres one message coming from Gove and another from the PM.

Just more evidence, as if we need it, that Brexit is a total shambles.  

[Surelynot]

7 minutes ago, vogie said:

You do not use quotation marks when paraphrasing because that would be plagiarism, something you are well aware of.

"To paraphrase is to restate another author 's point in your own words. When you paraphrase, you don't need to use quotation marks".

 

So you don't NEED to use quotation marks......don't think he has committed a crime after all....phew.

 

Do you need a link to this quote???

[vogie]

1 minute ago, Rookiescot said:

Actually what I said was Downing street was telling the world...........

Do you actually want to argue about whether roads can really talk?

Its called paraphrasing. People use it all the time.

My point is theres one message coming from Gove and another from the PM.

Just more evidence, as if we need it, that Brexit is a total shambles.  

Provide where you got that information from or else there is only one conclusion. You have just dug yourself into another hole, but there are so many now, at least "we know how many holes it takes to fill the Albert Hall"????????

[Rookiescot]

1 minute ago, vogie said:

Provide where you got that information from or else there is only one conclusion. You have just dug yourself into another hole, but there are so many now, at least "we know how many holes it takes to fill the Albert Hall"????????

I was paraphrasing what message was coming from the Prime Ministers office. In stark contrast to what Gove was saying.

By the way you need to google plagiarism. It does not mean what you think it does.

[Surelynot]

6 minutes ago, vogie said:

Provide where you got that information from or else there is only one conclusion. You have just dug yourself into another hole, but there are so many now, at least "we know how many holes it takes to fill the Albert Hall"????????

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/oct/19/brexit-gove-praises-constructive-move-as-eu-agrees-to-intensify-talks?CMP=share_btn_link

[vogie]

1 minute ago, Surelynot said:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/oct/19/brexit-gove-praises-constructive-move-as-eu-agrees-to-intensify-talks?CMP=share_btn_link

Highlight the quote or stop wasting my time.

[transam]

16 hours ago, david555 said:

Why should i stop ...? About taxes ....oh you Brits must not pay taxes ...lovely planet it must be .

I only try make it clear both sides will not give in .

Let  full brexit happen ...let both get the bruises or go to pieces ....that is the only solution ....remember in any not decided who won war , the peace treaty start when counting the losses...!

The time convincing eachother from their wrong is ...over ...it is a draw who took 4 years .No solution is possible ...to much both in trenches . But maybe that is very difficult for Albion to understand....

 

The battle of Brexit is a draw..

 

No it isn't a draw, the UK is a totally free county again, you are not.

 

You mention war, Europe became free again after the ravages of the axis consortium, that wasn't a draw either, there was a winner with a huge bill to pay, but we paid it and moved on. ????

 

 

 

 

 

[transam]

16 hours ago, Hi from France said:

I understand this forum has a lot of british pensioners, the most brexit-prone demographic. So a lot of hardened brexiters not objectively ready to acknowledge Brexit was indeed a terrible choice.

 

Now, if you poll the British people, there is growing consensus that leaving the EU was the wrong move for the country.

 

Says a pensioner......????

[david555]

7 minutes ago, transam said:

No it isn't a draw, the UK is a totally free county again, you are not.

 

You mention war, Europe became free again after the ravages of the axis consortium, that wasn't a draw either, there was a winner with a huge bill to pay, but we paid it and moved on. ????

 

 

 

 

 

Freedom feeling is not detererminated by others than those involved....i feel very good to be in the E.U.

Hence your say the Scots must not feel free now ....

 

And here he Transam go again ....the war ....you can't help it to call it every time  at a rescue as words & reason fails you

 

As i see it as a draw is because you did not get what you tried to get up to now , and we never saw U.K as concured country by E.U. but as a MEMBER....But that is something you with your special Empirial thinking not understand ....U.K. was a equal partner.....oeps ????i hope this not offend you ....a only equal partner 

 

Who now resigned .

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[JonnyF]

59 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Enlighten.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/brexit-could-lead-to-spread-of-infectious-diseases-such-as-supergonorrhoea-health-chief-warns-a3898186.html

 

????

 

[JonnyF]

45 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

You sound frustrated and angry.

???? Au contraire.

 

No Deal has never looked more likely. ???? A clean break from the corrupt shysters in the EU. Marvelous.

 

From a comedic point of view it's kind of a shame that the Scots voted to Remain in 2014 but I am a firm believer in respecting the Democratic wishes of the people and if they wish to remain in the UK, remain they shall. 

[transam]

14 hours ago, Hi from France said:

Johnson is a compulsive liar. That's why he was sacked as a journalist and he is so successful as a politician.

 

....the problem is not Boris Johnson being a liar, the problem is the value of the signature of the UK on a international treaty, ratified by the parliament and Her Majesty the Queen.

 

Betraying a treaty puts the United Kingdom in the "rogue states" category.

 

 

 

"My word is my bond" has for centuries been the motto of the London Stock Exchange, and as a trading nation, keeping you promises, is what used to be the very power your country.

 

 

 

In a few weeks, the UK will leave 29 FTAs covering 40 countries and territories. And the country will have to negotiate and sign treaties with partners that now know for a fact that the "Great Seal of the United Kingdom" is a joke.

????......You have obviously never heard of the term..."All's fair in Love & War"......????

[transam]

13 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 We had given no assurances that we would stick to those standards post Brexit. Indeed, an apparent willingness to reduce them in order to get a possible trade deal with the USA indicated that we may very well not have done! 

 

As the link I provided shows, that was all settled in September and this storm in a teacup has blown over.

Forced? When he made such a big deal even before the election of it being his oven ready deal? 

 

Remainer dominated Parliament after Boris' landslide? How so?

 

 "Parts with which the EU threatened parts of the United Kingdom!" Go on then; explain those parts in detail and how they threaten parts of the UK.

 

Forget about the so called blockade of Northern Ireland; as shown to you many times, and again today, that was a Boris lie; and even if true any such possible threat has been resolved. Even the government now admit that!

 

Next step to ditch an international treaty signed by our Prime Minister and through the European Union (Withdrawal Agreement) Act 2020 approved by our Parliament and given Royal Assent by our Monarch?

 

Seriously?

 

What effect will proving that our Prime Minister lies to his own people, his Parliament and his Monarch, let alone the cosignatories, by signing an international agreement with no intention of sticking to it have on all those nations you are so confident are lining up to sign trade deals with us?

 

 Misquoting Shakespeare means nothing. I'm English, British and proud of my country. But Boris has dragged this country's name into the deepest cess pit.

 

I can only hope that after the Tories have booted him and his puppet master out of No. 10 next year that his successor can repair the damage to this country's reputation.

 

 

 

It's really hard to believe you say you are British, you, every day fight the EU corner, can you explain that, I mean, Brexit is done, UK is now fighting for the future of the UK, but you are fighting for the future of the EU...

Can you tell us why..?

[transam]

12 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Your United Kingdom does not appear to be very united though does it?

In fact your only method of currently keeping the UK together is to refuse people a democratic vote on whether they want to stay in the union.

Now the last union I can remember which adopted the same policy was the USSR. 

Blimey, you soon forgot the recent general election.......????

[transam]

9 hours ago, david555 said:

I don't see a reason that 27  referendums would be hold on the idea of a brexiteer ???? ….as you forgot . U.K. is out and out means out (dixit T.May) 

and out of the club there is no say inside the clubs doing'   anymore . Opinions yes , but only that ….

Independence is full yours ….. on the Island 

And what a wonderful feeling it is too......????

[transam]

2 hours ago, nauseus said:

What a messy post.

Well it was "The Guardian" based.............????

[Surelynot]

Don't you just hate fake stories circulating in the media?

[transam]

37 minutes ago, david555 said:

Freedom feeling is not detererminated by others than those involved....i feel very good to be in the E.U.

Hence your say the Scots must not feel free now ....

 

And here he Transam go again ....the war ....you can't help it to call it every time  at a rescue as words & reason fails you

 

As i see it as a draw is because you did not get what you tried to get up to now , and we never saw U.K as concured country by E.U. but as a MEMBER....But that is something you with your special Empirial thinking not understand ....U.K. was a equal partner.....oeps ????i hope this not offend you ....a only equal partner 

 

Who now resigned .

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Eeeeeeeeeeeeer, you used the word "war", I took the opportunity to use on it, I know many EU countrymen don't like the reminder but that's life.

PS. I do not understand the rest of your post, can you rewrite it...Thank you..

[luckyluke]

4 minutes ago, transam said:

And what a wonderful feeling it is too......????

It must be an apart sensation, that alas I don'feel. 

 

I mean, I was Belgian and free before this European Union thing.

 

Still Belgian and feeling the same since Belgium is part of that thing. 

 

Idem since that other thing called Brexit. 

 

I called it "Things", because I know it is there, but so far didn't have any influence on my daily life. 

 

Thus for me, and I know for many others, it is much ado about nothing. 

 

But of course we are all different, and thus also our feelings and opinions. 

 

 

[transam]

7 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

Don't you just hate fake stories circulating in the media?

No challenge from me as I don't care.........????