Brexit brinkmanship: Johnson says prepare for no-deal, cancels trade talks

[RayC]

And what exactly are these montages of anti-EU MPs speaking in the European parliament meant to prove? That there is anti-EU sentiment in Europe. Yes, there is. But this is a minority view. For example, Mr. Beck's AfD party received 11% of the vote in the last European election, so he hardly represents the majority in Germany.

 

I dare say anyone wanted to post a montage of anti-government speeches in the UK parliament will have a lot more material to choose from.

[RayC]

7 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Talks are back on. The various countries within the EU have told Barnier to grow up and stop playing games with the future of their industries. 

Or maybe Frost, and the more sensible members of the UK government, have finally made Johnson realise what damage 'no-deal' will cause to the UK?

[Hi from France]

On 10/17/2020 at 11:18 AM, Baerboxer said:

Letting French fishermen plunder the UK waters,

Once more, you should not limit you thinking to populist rhetoric, if you you tried to study a bit the situation you'll find data, like 

• 86% of the UK fishing potential is in fact Scottish, so the best move for France is to restaure the Auld Alliance and negotiate with the Scots, not with the English.
• as for English fishing zones (repeat : newly acquired in 1984, long after the UK became a member of the UE, so the fish is not "eternal and everlasting private English property"), the English have sold 50% of their fishing quotas, mainly to dutch-owned companies

 

.. now, as an economic sector fishing is purely symbolic, we shouldn't spend so much time on a quite secondary issue.

 

 

Now albeit I'm trying to contribute more than "two-liners" on this forum, I'm not a fisheries specialist, you can check and rectify : http://www.parliament.scot/Research briefings and fact sheets/sb09-59.pdf

 

 

 

 

[Matzzon]

32 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Black Angus by now?

Still don´t read? 

[transam]

1 hour ago, sandyf said:

Your answer to onshore fishing is notable by it's absence.

Scotland needs to sell it's seafood to France and surprise surprise, when you try and sell it is normal to negotiate with the buyer.

Of course the mekon lurking in No 10 has no intention of supporting Scotland's interests and probably takes the view that decimating the onshore fishing industry would be a strategic move in taking back control, of Scotland.

No other English colony has been controlled by the natives, why should Scotland be any different.

Please change the record.....????

[Loiner]

51 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

 

• 86% of the UK fishing potential is in fact Scottish, so the best move for France is to restaure the Auld Alliance and negotiate with the Scots, not with the English.
• as for English fishing zones (repeat : newly acquired in 1984, long after the UK became a member of the UE, so the fish is not "eternal and everlasting private English property"), the English have sold 50% of their fishing quotas, mainly to dutch-owned companies

 

 

There is no such thing as Scottish fishing waters - they're all the UK's. Would that be under another EU interminable negotiation process or Scotch style secret underhand talks?

 

Do you have an example one of those sale agreements of fishing quotas? Many Remainer posters like to quote them, but never back them up. I suspect they are not as "external and everlasting" as you have determined our fishing zones to be.

[Surelynot]

3 hours ago, polpott said:

Now if that was draught Weihenstephaner I 'd be round, even though I do prefer Erdinger weiss

Lived in Germany for 25 years...could not take to Erdinger 

[Hi from France]

59 minutes ago, Loiner said:

 

There is no such thing as Scottish fishing waters - they're all the UK's. Would that be under another EU interminable negotiation process or Scotch style secret underhand talks?

 

Do you have an example one of those sale agreements of fishing quotas?

As I understand it, this report is by the Scottish parliament,so I suppose you can find elements of answer there. 

 

As far as fetching other specific documents for you, I'm sorry I have to encourage you to do these research yourself and share them with us. 

 

This thread probably looks a bit like Brexit negotiations. The UK team is making demands to the UE team. If you want to enter constructive dialog, you can't just drop demands and complaints without any effort on your part. 

[Loiner]

1 hour ago, Hi from France said:

As I understand it, this report is by the Scottish parliament,so I suppose you can find elements of answer there. 

 

As far as fetching other specific documents for you, I'm sorry I have to encourage you to do these research yourself and share them with us. 

 

This thread probably looks a bit like Brexit negotiations. The UK team is making demands to the UE team. If you want to enter constructive dialog, you can't just drop demands and complaints without any effort on your part. 

 

Have you not realised that any Scotch report on the matter means nothing? It's UK fish that Wee Burney has no control over. That's why your Auld Alliance plotting has to be held in secret.

 

Here's me thinking you were making your assertions on fish property based on some sort of factual basis. The same goes with your 'sale' of fishing quotas, which you are happy to parrot off, but don't really know exactly what is the sale or loan agreement. Did the UK government allocate quotas for ever and were the UK fishermen entitled to sell them forever, or are they only lent?

 

If you had some supporting documentation it might make your post look as if you had some idea of what you a trying to talk about.

[Surelynot]

More project Fear from the leftwing Times

[3NUMBAS]

Boris Johnson WARNED: Farage promises he'll RESURRECT Brexit Party if UK caves to EU

NIGEL FARAGE has warned Boris Johnson he is ready to resurrect the Brexit Party if the UK compromises on a trade deal with the European Union.

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1350474/Brexit-news-nigel-farage-latest-Brexit-party-eu-trade-talks-no-deal-boris-johnson

[3NUMBAS]

'EU nations queuing up to QUIT Brussels bloc!' Finnish MEP predicts Netherlands next to go

COUNTRIES are "queuing up" to quit the EU, with the Netherlands at the front and Finland not far behind, a Finnish MEP has claimed, suggesting there is "no future" for the bloc in its current guise.

By Ciaran McGrath

PUBLISHED: 10:43, Thu, Oct 22, 2020 | UPDATED: 14:16, Thu, Oct 22, 2020

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1350902/brexit-news-finland-finnish-mep-laura-Huhtasaari-finns-party-frugal-five-coronavirus

[Loiner]

1 hour ago, Surelynot said:

More project Fear from the leftwing Times

 

Not a lot to fear in there, mostly looking good for the UK actually.

They managed to slip in a “Almost certainly price rises..” but that’s Remainers writing for you.  

Roll on January 1.

[Tofer]

6 hours ago, sandyf said:

Obviously you are not on a frozen pension.

 

Ian Blackford criticised the lack of consistency of treatment of overseas British pensioners. Pointing out anomalies arising from historic bilateral deals and pointing out that there was no need for new bilateral agreements for the government to take action. He also raised the possible danger for the 400,000 UK pensioners living in the EU, who may find themselves with a frozen pension if Britain votes to leave the European Union in June.

https://pensionjustice.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Ian-Blackford-calls-for-a-debate-on-Frozen-Pensions-APPG-website.pdf

I'm not drawing a pension, yet! But when I do, living in Thailand, it will be frozen, irrespective of what happens with Brexit.

[Tofer]

6 hours ago, nauseus said:

Black Angus by now?

Nah, black stallion surely, coming from the EU.

[RayC]

1 hour ago, 3NUMBAS said:

'EU nations queuing up to QUIT Brussels bloc!' Finnish MEP predicts Netherlands next to go

COUNTRIES are "queuing up" to quit the EU, with the Netherlands at the front and Finland not far behind, a Finnish MEP has claimed, suggesting there is "no future" for the bloc in its current guise.

By Ciaran McGrath

PUBLISHED: 10:43, Thu, Oct 22, 2020 | UPDATED: 14:16, Thu, Oct 22, 2020

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1350902/brexit-news-finland-finnish-mep-laura-Huhtasaari-finns-party-frugal-five-coronavirus

What is the point of this story?

[RayC]

1 hour ago, Loiner said:

 

Not a lot to fear in there, mostly looking good for the UK actually.

They managed to slip in a “Almost certainly price rises..” but that’s Remainers writing for you.  

Roll on January 1.

Really looking good.

 

Shrinking markets and increased bureaucracy for UK businesses. Increased prices for UK consumers. Rejoice! 

[sandyf]

11 hours ago, Tofer said:

I'm not drawing a pension, yet! But when I do, living in Thailand, it will be frozen, irrespective of what happens with Brexit.

And it will remain frozen unless other MP's like Ian Blackford stand against the injustice.

Of course to some, loss of income will take second place to bigotry.

[sandyf]

17 hours ago, transam said:

Please change the record.....????

If only we could, unfortunately the record has been written and the consequences will come about in due course.

[sandyf]

10 hours ago, RayC said:

Really looking good.

 

Shrinking markets and increased bureaucracy for UK businesses. Increased prices for UK consumers. Rejoice! 

Quite. The sad reality of the bureaucracy.

Border control in all but name, but that is what they voted for, more border control.

 

Drivers embarking on cross-Channel journeys without a Kent Access Permit (KAP) will be identified before reaching the border by Automatic Number Plate Recognition cameras and will face a £300 fine.

KAPs are intended to stop the county’s roads being clogged up once customs controls with the European Union are re-imposed from January 1.

https://www.kentlive.news/news/uk-world-news/lorry-drivers-fined-300-enter-4630621

[transam]

10 hours ago, RayC said:

What is the point of this story?

Can't believe you wrote that.......????

[dimitriv]

14 hours ago, 3NUMBAS said:

'EU nations queuing up to QUIT Brussels bloc!' Finnish MEP predicts Netherlands next to go

COUNTRIES are "queuing up" to quit the EU, with the Netherlands at the front and Finland not far behind, a Finnish MEP has claimed, suggesting there is "no future" for the bloc in its current guise.

By Ciaran McGrath

PUBLISHED: 10:43, Thu, Oct 22, 2020 | UPDATED: 14:16, Thu, Oct 22, 2020

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1350902/brexit-news-finland-finnish-mep-laura-Huhtasaari-finns-party-frugal-five-coronavirus

 

You are quoting populist newspaper spreading false rumours. Honestly even calling this "newspaper" a newspaper is already a joke.

 

18% of Dutch people favour leaving the EU. A couple of % has no opinion, and the other ones are against.

 

 

 

 

[transam]

3 minutes ago, dimitriv said:

 

You are quoting populist newspaper spreading false rumours. Honestly even calling this "newspaper" a newspaper is already a joke.

 

18% of Dutch people favour leaving the EU. A couple of % has no opinion, and the other ones are against.

 

 

 

 

The UK remain lot use links from UK rags.....????

[dimitriv]

1 minute ago, transam said:

The UK remain lot use links from UK rags.....????

 

It is alarming that people who read this "newspaper" have the right to vote.

 

In fact, they should put people like this on an island and not let them go for the rest of their lives.

 

Brexit is not such a bad idea at all.

 

 

[Mavideol]

14 hours ago, RayC said:

What is the point of this story?

despair/desperation?.... out of ideas?....non sense?.... pick one  555

[Tofer]

5 hours ago, sandyf said:

And it will remain frozen unless other MP's like Ian Blackford stand against the injustice.

Of course to some, loss of income will take second place to bigotry.

I applaud his speech. Pity it took Brexit to recognise the injustices, otherwise he would likely have never come out of the closet. He had to use examples of the likes of us in Thailand, so that he could raise / emphasise the subject, to ultimately substantiate his concerns about Brexit, and the Brits living in the EU. Never heard a peep out him prior to Brexit.

 

However, you have used this link completely out of context with my comment being about his backdoor negotiations colluding with the EU, to frustrate Brexit.

[welovesundaysatspace]

3 hours ago, dimitriv said:

 

You are quoting populist newspaper spreading false rumours.

A populist Mickey Mouse paper quoting a rightwing populist and all those Brexiteers who don’t read past the clickbait headline get wet between their legs ???? 

 

 

[sandyf]

3 minutes ago, Tofer said:

I applaud his speech. Pity it took Brexit to recognise the injustices, otherwise he would likely have never come out of the closet. He had to use examples of the likes of us in Thailand, so that he could raise / emphasise the subject, to ultimately substantiate his concerns about Brexit, and the Brits living in the EU. Never heard a peep out him prior to Brexit.

 

However, you have used this link completely out of context with my comment being about his backdoor negotiations colluding with the EU, to frustrate Brexit.

"Never heard a peep out him prior to Brexit."

 

You obviously never bothered to read the link, dated March 2016, and not the first time he spoke on the matter.

Ian Blackford along with 58 others were elected to speak in Westminster on behalf of the Scottish constituencies, the SNP has 47 of the 59 seats. MP's have a responsibility to those that elected them but It obviously escaped your notice that the people of Scotland voted against brexit.

 

There have only ever been 3 national referendums, 1975 - 67.23% in favour, 2011 - 67.9%  against, and 2016 - 51.89% leave.

The 2016 result was borderline and as such the decision will be an albatross around the neck of the UK for years. Make no mistake, for the UK it is the beginning of the end.

[transam]

7 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

A populist Mickey Mouse paper quoting a rightwing populist and all those Brexiteers who don’t read past the clickbait headline get wet between their legs ???? 

 

 

Whatever you say.....????.................

[transam]

2 minutes ago, sandyf said:

"Never heard a peep out him prior to Brexit."

 

You obviously never bothered to read the link, dated March 2016, and not the first time he spoke on the matter.

Ian Blackford along with 58 others were elected to speak in Westminster on behalf of the Scottish constituencies, the SNP has 47 of the 59 seats. MP's have a responsibility to those that elected them but It obviously escaped your notice that the people of Scotland voted against brexit.

 

There have only ever been 3 national referendums, 1975 - 67.23% in favour, 2011 - 67.9%  against, and 2016 - 51.89% leave.

The 2016 result was borderline and as such the decision will be an albatross around the neck of the UK for years. Make no mistake, for the UK it is the beginning of the end.

No, it's the end of the beginning.....????