Seven bodies found in fertilizer shipment from Serbia to Paraguay

[rooster59]

Seven bodies found in fertilizer shipment from Serbia to Paraguay

By Daniela Desantis

 

A container where the authorities found decomposed bodies inside a fertiliser shipment that left Serbia three months ago is pictured in Asuncion, Paraguay, October 23, 2020. REUTERS/Jorge Adorno

 

ASUNCION (Reuters) - The badly decomposed bodies of seven people who may have been stowaways were found on Friday inside a shipment of fertilizer that left Serbia three months ago, Paraguayan authorities said.

 

The container left Serbia on July 21 and arrived earlier this week via Argentina at a river port on the outskirts of the Paraguayan capital Asuncion, prosecutor Marcelo Saldivar said.

 

The bodies were discovered on Friday when the managers of the company that bought the product opened it, he added.

 

Saldivar said the victims, who were all adults, appeared to have been stowaways. Two had identity documents indicating they were Moroccan, and a receipt for a Serbian taxi company was also found, suggesting they entered the container in Serbia.

 

"We assume that they arrived there from their country of origin and had planned to travel to a nearer destination but they did not calculate the distance well and did not survive the trip," he told Reuters.

 

"The supplies they had - cookies, bottled water and tinned food - were enough to last 72 hours."

 

Police also found bags of clothing and an opening for ventilation in the area of the container where the bodies were found. "All the bodies are decomposed. They are just hair and bones," he added.

 

The shipment's route would be checked, he said, along with cell phones found with the bodies, and the authorities in Morocco and Serbia would be contacted to try to determine the victims` identities.

 

(Reporting by Daniela Desantis, writing by Aislinn Laing; Editing by Alistair Bell and Sonya Hepinstall)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2020-10-24

 

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[Bluespunk]

I’m against the death penalty but when I read stories such as this I have to remind myself of this when it comes to those scum who profit from people trafficking. 

[Tug]

God that sucks poor buggers 

[Paiman]

What a cruel way to go.

[Bluetongue]

Whatever they were escaping from they fell into the hands of truly evil people.

[donnacha]

14 hours ago, rooster59 said:

"The supplies they had - cookies, bottled water and tinned food - were enough to last 72 hours."

They probably figured the boat was going to somewhere in Western Europe.
 

 

14 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

I’m against the death penalty but when I read stories such as this I have to remind myself of this when it comes to those scum who profit from people trafficking.

People smuggling is a rotten industry but, to be fair, it sounds as if these lads were trying to figure out a route without having to pay smugglers. Much like the guys who break into lorries heading from Calais to the UK.

If following one of the well-worn routes, there would have been some danger, but the smugglers depend on mostly getting people to the UK or wherever alive, and have standing arrangements with the major charities and NGOs who do the work of actually landing the migrants in Europe. None of the regular smuggling groups would have put them into a transatlantic container.

 

1 hour ago, car720 said:

Begs the question.  What were they escaping from?

Lack of social services and free healthcare in Morocco.

 

Edited October 25, 2020 by donnacha

[Bluespunk]

7 minutes ago, donnacha said:

They probably figured the boat was going to somewhere in Western Europe.
 

 

People smuggling is a rotten industry but, to be fair, it sounds as if these lads were trying to figure out a route without having to pay smugglers. Much like the guys who break into lorries heading from Calais to the UK.

If following one of the well-worn routes, there would have been some danger, but the smugglers depend on mostly getting people to the UK or wherever alive, and have standing arrangements with the major charities and NGOs who do the work of actually landing the migrants in Europe. None of the regular smuggling groups would have put them into a transatlantic container.

 

Lack of social services and free healthcare in Morocco.

 

You really think people smuggler scum care about those they exploit?

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/oct/07/essex-lorry-deaths-39-vietnamese-migrants-suffocated-in-container-court-hears

 

[wombat]

13 minutes ago, donnacha said:

trying to figure out a route without having to pay smugglers

my question would be...who shut the container door ?

[DaLa]

15 minutes ago, wombat said:

my question would be...who shut the container door ?

And who loaded the first batch of fertiliser up against their 'hide out' compartment?

[donnacha]

41 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

You really think people smuggler scum care about those they exploit?

They care about their business. There is a long chain of people who make money on the continuing flow of migrants and, in many cases, the agents in the home country don't get paid their share until the migrant starts sending back money.

IIRC, the incident you link to involved the lorry driver blocking up the air holes, or forgetting to unblock them once they were past customs, or something like that. The lorry was, at least, actually heading to the UK, so, the driver's inexperience was the weak link in the chain that had, until that point, got them the six thousand miles from Vietnam to Essex. That tragic event led to a major crackdown in Vietnam that, for a while, reduced the flow of migrants from there, so, yeah, millions of dollars are lost when someone messes up that badly.
 

 

36 minutes ago, wombat said:

my question would be...who shut the container door ?

If you have ever driven through a migrant camp, you'll know that there is no shortage of people hanging about who would willing to come help if pay them €50. The same thing happens at Calais, they often pay some kid to keep a lookout, shut the doors, strap the tarp, hammer the crate closed etc. That doesn't make those kids "smuggler scum".

There is so much hysteria around this subject, when what we actually need is clarity.

 

Edited October 25, 2020 by donnacha

[Bluespunk]

23 minutes ago, donnacha said:

They care about their business. There is a long chain of people who make money on the continuing flow of migrants and, in many cases, the agents in the home country don't get paid their share until the migrant starts sending back money.

IIRC, the incident you link to involved the lorry driver blocking up the air holes, or forgetting to unblock them once they were past customs, or something like that. The lorry was, at least, actually heading to the UK, so, the driver's inexperience was the weak link in the chain that had, until that point, got them the six thousand miles from Vietnam to Essex. That tragic event led to a major crackdown in Vietnam that, for a while, reduced the flow of migrants from there, so, yeah, millions of dollars are lost when someone messes up that badly.
 

 

If you have ever driven through a migrant camp, you'll know that there is no shortage of people hanging about who would willing to come help if pay them €50. The same thing happens at Calais, they often pay some kid to keep a lookout, shut the doors, strap the tarp, hammer the crate closed etc. That doesn't make those kids "smuggler scum".

There is so much hysteria around this subject, when what we actually need is clarity.

 

Clearly we have different views on how much the scum who exploit those desperate enough to flee their homelands care about their victims...

[donnacha]

40 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Clearly we have different views on how much the scum who exploit those desperate enough to flee their homelands care about their victims...

No. In the case that this thread is actually about, you are presuming that "people traffickers" were involved when the facts make it obvious that this was a DIY attempt. Morocans can get to Serbia easily enough. They probably thought they were hitching a ride from there to Western Europe.

If they had paid smugglers around €4,000 they would have been put on a dinghy in Libya and, about a mile off the coast, transferred to a boat from an NGO such as Sea-Watch who have brought them the rest of the way to the EU. Unfortunately, that's a lot of money, so, some people figure out cheaper but more complicated routes.

Don't worry, a report of actual people smuggling will be along any day now. You can store up your righteous rage for that ????

 

 

Edited October 25, 2020 by donnacha

[Bluespunk]

1 hour ago, donnacha said:

No. In the case that this thread is actually about, you are presuming that "people traffickers" were involved when the facts make it obvious that this was a DIY attempt. Morocans can get to Serbia easily enough. They probably thought they were hitching a ride from there to Western Europe.

If they had paid smugglers around €4,000 they would have been put on a dinghy in Libya and, about a mile off the coast, transferred to a boat from an NGO such as Sea-Watch who have brought them the rest of the way to the EU. Unfortunately, that's a lot of money, so, some people figure out cheaper but more complicated routes.

Don't worry, a report of actual people smuggling will be along any day now. You can store up your righteous rage for that ????

 

 

You are presuming those scum who traffic in human misery weren’t involved.
 

You have chosen to read the  ‘facts’ one way.

 

It is sad you view my perfectly natural views on people smugglers being scum as “righteous anger”. Says much about you. 

Edited October 25, 2020 by Bluespunk

[RJRS1301]

4 hours ago, car720 said:

Begs the question.  What were they escaping from?

Living in Morocco, if not educated, middle class, it would be a very hard life,  one would have thoiugh making it to Serbia they would have felt more secure and safe.

Poor buggers, desperation for refugees all over.

 

[donnacha]

17 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

You have chosen to read the  ‘facts’ one way.

Could you not find a way to virtue signal without abandoning common sense?

People smugglers simply do not move Moroccans to Serbia and then put them in slow boats to Paraguay, a country every bit as miserable as Morocco.

 

17 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Says much about you. 

Why is it that those with a weak grasp of how the world actually works seek to vilify anyone who dares to point out the gaps in their narrative?

I have nothing against you being self-righteous, but in this case it is like crying rape if you see a man and woman kiss, or screaming racism when a cop gives a speeding ticket to an African American. By seeing evil in situations where there is only stupidity and tragic error, you make yourself ridiculous and undermine those who confront real evil.

 

Edited October 25, 2020 by donnacha

[Bluespunk]

4 minutes ago, donnacha said:

Could you not find a way to virtue signal without abandoning common sense?

People smugglers simply do not move Moroccans to Serbia and then put them in slow boats to Paraguay, a country every bit as miserable as Morocco.

 

Why is it that those with a weak grasp of how the world actually works seek to vilify anyone who dares to point out the gaps in their narrative?

I have nothing against you being against smugglers, but in this case it is like crying rape if you see a man and woman kiss, or screaming racism when a cop gives a speeding ticket to an African American. By seeing evil in situations where there is only stupidity and tragic error, you make yourself ridiculous and undermine those who confront real evil.

 

Oh dear, so many presumptions in that post...you seem to believe anyone disagreeing with your posts is vilifying you.

 

Throwing around terms like 'virtue signal' only weakens your point by the way...

Edited October 25, 2020 by Bluespunk

[NanLaew]

Looks like maybe they were concealed in the wrong container? Based on the minimal supplies they took with them, a 72-hour road-trip from Serbia would easily have seen them in Essex.

[CorpusChristie]

39 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

You are presuming those scum who traffic in human misery weren’t involved.
 

You have chosen to read the  ‘facts’ one way.

 

It is sad you view my perfectly natural views on people smugglers being scum as “righteous anger”. Says much about you. 

 

  You just assume that people smugglers were involved , this sounds like the deceased acted on their own accord .

  They may have mistakenly thought the container was going back to Morocco 

[Bluespunk]

2 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  You just assume that people smugglers were involved , this sounds like the deceased acted on their own accord .

  They may have mistakenly thought the container was going back to Morocco 

You are also making assumptions...

[RJRS1301]

24 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

Looks like maybe they were concealed in the wrong container? Based on the minimal supplies they took with them, a 72-hour road-trip from Serbia would easily have seen them in Essex.

It has been reported that they were hoping to go somewhere else in Europe other than Serbia, and with what the Croatian authorities are reported to be doing to refugees, you would not go there .

 

[CorpusChristie]

14 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

You are also making assumptions...

 

My assumptions are based on logic 

[Bluespunk]

14 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

My assumptions are based on logic 

Ah huh...sure it is.

 

ROFL

Edited October 25, 2020 by Bluespunk

[CorpusChristie]

8 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Ah huh...sure it is.

 

ROFL

 

   Why would people smugglers send some Moroccans to Paraguay ? 

[Bluespunk]

35 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

   Why would people smugglers send some Moroccans to Paraguay ? 

Why do you assume that trafficking scum had no part in these victims exploitation?

[CorpusChristie]

49 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Why do you assume that trafficking scum had no part in these victims exploitation?

 

  Because it would make no sense to smuggle Moroccans to Paraguay from Europe 

[Bluespunk]

13 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  Because it would make no sense to smuggle Moroccans to Paraguay from Europe 

And how did the victims get to Europe...if your assumptions are correct that is. 

Edited October 25, 2020 by Bluespunk

[CorpusChristie]

4 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

And how did the victims get to Europe...if your assumptions are correct that is.
 

Which you have provided no facts to support.  

I have no idea how they got to Europe , Why would people smugglers send some Moroccans to Paraguay ? 

[Bluespunk]

3 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

I have no idea how they got to Europe , Why would people smugglers send some Moroccans to Paraguay ? 

I fully concur with your first four words...and the rest of the sentence of course.

 

Edited October 25, 2020 by Bluespunk

[CorpusChristie]

5 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

I fully concur with your first four words...and the rest of the sentence of course.

 

 

Why would people smugglers send some Moroccans to Paraguay from  Europe ?

Moroccans can easily get tourist visas for Paraguay 

[Bluespunk]

16 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

Why would people smugglers send some Moroccans to Paraguay from  Europe ?

Moroccans can easily get tourist visas for Paraguay 

How did the victims get to europe? 

 

As to what the motivations of such scum that would exploit people fleeing misery are...

Edited October 25, 2020 by Bluespunk