'People must brace for new-normal lifestyle for at least two years before Covid-19 is contained'

[Bluedan]

9 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Stick with Fauci, or one from the NIH, etc.  Hard to go wrong with Fauci.  45 years in infectious diseases.  And not political at all.  If someone bashes Fauci, they're a covid denier.

thats garbage. He is political. there are retired experts with no political agenda who say he is wrong. I disagree with him and Im not a cover denier. I disagree with the measures. Cant you see the dfference?

[Bluedan]

Just now, Throatwobbler said:

Serious question for you then. What do you think caused the reduction in the excessive death rates?

not sure what you mean by this. If you mean that death rates were decreased by lockdowns I would ask where is the evidence of this? Its too simplistic to say it would have been worse without them. 

[MadMac]

4 minutes ago, Bluedan said:

thats garbage. He is political. there are retired experts with no political agenda who say he is wrong. I disagree with him and Im not a cover denier. I disagree with the measures. Cant you see the dfference?

Apparently he has strong ties to Big Pharma since back in the 80s and HIV. One does not need to be a polititian for this.

[Throatwobbler]

17 minutes ago, MadMac said:

 

That would make 3 years in total, unlikely. SARS lastet roughly one year. So Wuhan outbreaks on large scale shoud be over within the next quarter. Perhaps a bit longer due people not getting exposed that much. Herd immunity was confirmed in Sweden and works just as with any other virus.

Have you got any link confirming Sweden has confirmed has confirmed herd immunity?
 

 The immunity you get differs a lot from virus to virus. Once you have caught a common cold you are not immune to catching one again.

[MadMac]

8 minutes ago, Throatwobbler said:

Have you got any link confirming Sweden has confirmed has confirmed herd immunity?
 

 The immunity you get differs a lot from virus to virus. Once you have caught a common cold you are not immune to catching one again.

You can do your homework yourself. How do yo think a flu vaccine works? Or that common cold you get exposed to it? They do not last for 3 years and you do not get sick from the same one again. Different viruses, sure, but same result. 

 

Edited October 26, 2020 by MadMac

[Throatwobbler]

4 minutes ago, Bluedan said:

not sure what you mean by this. If you mean that death rates were decreased by lockdowns I would ask where is the evidence of this? Its too simplistic to say it would have been worse without them. 

Excess death rates went down in every country about 3 weeks after lockdowns were introduced. That is pretty strong evidence that they worked.

 

So I ask you again do you have any explanation apart from lockdowns for why the excessive death rate went down

[Sumarianson]

4 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Government policy .........

Thailand closed to most foreign tourists for the next 2 years.

Thailand tourism will be finished for good.

[bkk6060]

I like my new normal.

Big rent reduction.

Big green fee reduction.

More girls then ever.

Lovin it all.

 

[Bluedan]

1 minute ago, Throatwobbler said:

Have you got any link confirming Sweden has confirmed has confirmed herd immunity?
 

 The immunity you get differs a lot from virus to virus. Once you have caught a common cold you are not immune to catching one again.

Thats a good point. My understanding is that herd immunity does not mean total immunity, just like vaccines confer only partial immunity. There have been recent studies suggesting that there has been too much focus on antibody immunity which at the most has been measured at around 20% of the population. There is a suggestion that due to the very close similarities with the outer proteins of other corona virus a large percentage of the population already has T cell immunity. That would mean the threshold or herd immunity is lower than originally thought. The bottom line is its highly unlikely we can eradicate the virus with or without herd immunity or a vaccine so we need to learn too love with its minimize both damage from the disease and collateral damage from the policies of suppression.

[tandor]

Herd Immunity = Wishful Thinking.

[Peter Denis]

11 minutes ago, Throatwobbler said:

Serious question for you then. What do you think caused the reduction in the excessive death rates?

Nobody has the final answer on that (yet).

But when comparing geographies that applied different measures to cope with covid, it is clear that the Simpleton Explantation of Lock-downs and Mask-wearing is NOT the answer.

That's the importance of the Sweden case, that did not do worse than UK or Spain were draconian measures were enforced (with much collateral damage).

[Lilyofthevalley]

Reading off the globalists press release 

[Bluedan]

4 minutes ago, Throatwobbler said:

Excess death rates went down in every country about 3 weeks after lockdowns were introduced. That is pretty strong evidence that they worked.

 

So I ask you again do you have any explanation apart from lockdowns for why the excessive death rate went down

have you got an explanation as to why the same pattern is in every country regardless of lockdown or not? The lockdowns were often after the disease had widely spread and had already affected the most susceptible. I have seen experts saying exactly this and that the peak arrived and fell regardless of lockdowns. The most susceptible were elderly in their 80s with low immune systems and co morbidities it makes perfect sense that there would be a spike in deaths and then once thse people have passed a fall in deaths

[Chivas]

5 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

People need to tell covid deniers to go away.

 

Totally agree. My 27 year old pregnant niece got it and her 32 year old husband has been hospitalised with it and still is

Yet of course its all a con with Bill Gates wanted to chip our brains

 

Tossers

[Kiujunn]

Hopefully, all these covid deniers go home where they came from. If you need p4p  go to Brazil. 

We don't want you in Asia. 

 

[Bluedan]

2 minutes ago, Peter Denis said:

Nobody has the final answer on that (yet).

But when comparing geographies that applied different measures to cope with covid, it is clear that the Simpleton Explantation of Lock-downs and Mask-wearing is NOT the answer.

That's the importance of the Sweden case, that did not do worse than UK or Spain were draconian measures were enforced (with much collateral damage).

totally agree and a longer term look at this will probably show that excess deaths spiked and then fell as happens in other years following a "soft" flu season 

[MadMac]

3 minutes ago, Kiujunn said:

Hopefully, all these covid deniers go home where they came from. If you need p4p  go to Brazil. 

We don't want you in Asia. 

 

8 posts but speaking for whole Asia. Impressive ????

 

Do you really think Thailand is immune because of keeping the borders closed? I would rather expect a huge outbreak in a not so distant future while most other countries succesfully recover and restart their economies and life.

Edited October 26, 2020 by MadMac

[Bluedan]

Just now, MadMac said:

8 posts but speaking for whole Asia. Impressive ????

 

Do you really thing Thailand is immune because of keeping the borders closed? I would rather expect a huge outbreak in a not so distant future while most other countries succesfully recover and restart their economies and life.

 it is actually possible to disagree with lockdown policies without being a so called COVID denier

many here are simply expressing objection to the reaction and policies not denying existence of the virus

[MadMac]

16 minutes ago, Sumarianson said:

Thailand tourism will be finished for good.

It is finished for good and that for months already.

[steelepulse]

19 minutes ago, Throatwobbler said:

Excess death rates went down in every country about 3 weeks after lockdowns were introduced. That is pretty strong evidence that they worked.

 

So I ask you again do you have any explanation apart from lockdowns for why the excessive death rate went down

Lockdown has worked real well for Peru, the Philippines and many other countries hasn't it?  Months and months of lockdowns, yet cases kept rolling in.  

[spidermike007]

Guys like Poovorawan have no idea what they are talking about. And don't you hate the term "new normal"? I despise it. He has no idea where this thing is going. It is a wild guess, at best. And all it does is invoke fear in people, and serves no productive end. Therefore, he is an panic monger, and a threat to the security of the nation. 

 

And from the beginning, there is only one thing I have been certain about. The official narrative is not the reality, or the truth. Ever. 

Edited October 26, 2020 by spidermike007

[Bluedan]

1 minute ago, steelepulse said:

Lockdown has worked real well for Peru, the Philippines and many other countries hasn't it?  Months and months of lockdowns, yet cases kept rolling in.  

 

yes exactly you beat me to it Peru is a classic example of this. Also consider the timing. Its not disputed that the virus is tramitted quickly and easily. So in the case of Thailand the lockdown occurred about 3 months after the virus first arrived here. So what happened during those 3 months? It waited in a corner for us to lockdown? And no one points this out when crediting the government policy for suppressing it. The imperial college model predicted 80,000 deaths for Sweden if they didn't lockdown. Why can't they admit they got it wrong.

[Throatwobbler]

16 minutes ago, MadMac said:

You can do your homework yourself. How do yo think a flu vaccine works? Or that common cold you get exposed to it? They do not last for 3 years and you do not get sick from the same one again. Different viruses, sure, but same result. 

 

Maybe you should have added some more information. New cases of covid in Sweden are increasing. A city has gone into a voluntary lockdown to fight the incease of new covid cases. These are both signs that there is no herd immuntiy in Sweden. Also I can not find any link that states that herd immunity has been comfirmed. In fact the only links I could find state that the number of antibodies in the general Swedish population is very low.

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/sweden-coronavirus-local-lockdown-uppsala/

 

 

[MadMac]

6 minutes ago, Throatwobbler said:

Maybe you should have added some more information. New cases of covid in Sweden are increasing. A city has gone into a voluntary lockdown to fight the incease of new covid cases. These are both signs that there is no herd immuntiy in Sweden. Also I can not find any link that states that herd immunity has been comfirmed. In fact the only links I could find state that the number of antibodies in the general Swedish population is very low.

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/sweden-coronavirus-local-lockdown-uppsala/

 

 

 

Why do new cases matter if they are just mild, no outbreaks and do not cause any more deaths? Your body shows also a reaction when you get vaccinated, that is needed and simply how it works. Cases means tested, not sick.

 

The same actually happens in most other countries too, regardless if lockdown or not, with exemption of the USA. Maybe more, can't check all.

 

Edited October 26, 2020 by MadMac

[Jeffr2]

39 minutes ago, Bluedan said:

thats garbage. He is political. there are retired experts with no political agenda who say he is wrong. I disagree with him and Im not a cover denier. I disagree with the measures. Cant you see the dfference?

You need to do some research on Fauci.  He's not political at all.  Do the research.  The measures are the best we have right now.  Considering the virus is new and we still don't know all about it. 

[MadMac]

3 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

You need to do some research on Fauci.  He's not political at all.  Do the research.  The measures are the best we have right now.  Considering the virus is new and we still don't know all about it. 

 

That's why deaths in the USA go constantly up whereas in most other countries they are falling.

Edited October 26, 2020 by MadMac

[Bluedan]

2 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

You need to do some research on Fauci.  He's not political at all.  Do the research.  The measures are the best we have right now.  Considering the virus is new and we still don't know all about it. 

I spend pretty much every day researching this. I don't know how you can say he isn't political. Plenty of experts with no political agenda such as retired virologists disagree that these are the best measures. Also the science is one part of the equation. Scientists are equipped to give scientific advice on the contagion but it doesn't make them experts on how to balance all public interests including the economic and social fallout 

[Bluedan]

12 minutes ago, Throatwobbler said:

Maybe you should have added some more information. New cases of covid in Sweden are increasing. A city has gone into a voluntary lockdown to fight the incease of new covid cases. These are both signs that there is no herd immuntiy in Sweden. Also I can not find any link that states that herd immunity has been comfirmed. In fact the only links I could find state that the number of antibodies in the general Swedish population is very low.

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/sweden-coronavirus-local-lockdown-uppsala/

 

 

When you can show deaths are rising like that I will certainly sit up and take notice. Cases are what exactly? Now we have a casedemic

[suzannegoh]

1 hour ago, Jeffr2 said:

Stick with Fauci, or one from the NIH, etc.  Hard to go wrong with Fauci.  45 years in infectious diseases.  And not political at all.  If someone bashes Fauci, they're a covid denier.

 

How about Sanjay Gupta, can we trust him?

[Bluedan]

13 minutes ago, Throatwobbler said:

Maybe you should have added some more information. New cases of covid in Sweden are increasing. A city has gone into a voluntary lockdown to fight the incease of new covid cases. These are both signs that there is no herd immuntiy in Sweden. Also I can not find any link that states that herd immunity has been comfirmed. In fact the only links I could find state that the number of antibodies in the general Swedish population is very low.

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/sweden-coronavirus-local-lockdown-uppsala/

 

 

T cell immunity may well be the answer to this. Antibody immunity is not the only immunity. This virus is from a family of similar virus circulating in the population. The. outer structure is very similar and scientists are saying there is evidence of  T cell immunity in the population. The original forecasts of catastrophe are based partly on the notion that there was zero immunity to begin with.