How are expats arriving in Thailand Covid Positive?

[bwpage3]

With all the letters, tests, etc. required to get on a flight to Thailand, why is it everyday in the news we read of an incoming expat testing positive for Covid?

 

"The man from France arrived in Thailand on Friday, and his test on Monday was positive".

 

 

How did he get past the initial testing and COE to get on the flight in the first place?

 

He arrived in Thailand on Friday, into quarantine I suspect, and somehow managed to test positive on Monday after being quarantined?

 

It appears this process is not 100% effective?

 

1. How did he get on the plane in France? Did he not have current health and COE?

 

2. How did he NOT test positive upon arrival at the airport in Thailand?

 

3. How many people was he in contact with at the airport and on the way to quarantine?

 

4. How did he test positive for Covid in quarantine?

 

5. Covid usually shows up 7 to 10 days after contact. This means he must have been Covid positive before getting on the flight, yet he passed health inspection and COE was issued.

 

 

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[Upnotover]

The tests are not 100%.  The departure test is within 72 hours of the flight (incubation period can be 10, 14 + days).  The flight might be half+ full of Thai's who have not been tested at all.  Many reasons, none worth worrying about.

[bwpage3]

1 minute ago, Upnotover said:

The tests are not 100%.  The departure test is within 72 hours of the flight (incubation period can be 10, 14 + days).  The flight might be half+ full of Thai's who have not been tested at all.  Many reasons, none worth worrying about.

Why wouldn't Thai's be tested?

[sammieuk1]

They are trying to make the preposterous costs and hoop jumping of returning look professional unfortunately more than 20% of all cases found in the entire country have been in ASQ allegedly ????

Edited October 28, 2020 by sammieuk1

[Upnotover]

1 minute ago, bwpage3 said:

Why wouldn't Thai's be tested?

Because they don't need to be, at least not by their country.  Some airlines might require it but in general not for repatriation flights.

[Salerno]

3 minutes ago, bwpage3 said:

Why wouldn't Thai's be tested?

 

Because it's not a requirement.

[richard_smith237]

 

33 minutes ago, bwpage3 said:

How did he get past the initial testing and COE to get on the flight in the first place?

 

The CoE is issued independently of any Covid-19 tests.

A Negative Covid-19 RT PCR test result is required less than 72 hrs prior to flight departure. 

 

33 minutes ago, bwpage3 said:

 

He arrived in Thailand on Friday, into quarantine I suspect, and somehow managed to test positive on Monday after being quarantined?

 

It appears this process is not 100% effective?

 

No nation can be 100% water right regarding viral spread.

 

33 minutes ago, bwpage3 said:

 

1. How did he get on the plane in France? Did he not have current health and COE?

 

All the requirements met - including preflight Covid-19 test.

 

33 minutes ago, bwpage3 said:

 

2. How did he NOT test positive upon arrival at the airport in Thailand?

 

Because people aren’t tested at the airport upon arrival.

 

 

33 minutes ago, bwpage3 said:

 

3. How many people was he in contact with at the airport and on the way to quarantine?

 

Thats the whole point of quarantine. 

 

33 minutes ago, bwpage3 said:

 

4. How did he test positive for Covid in quarantine?

 

Covid-19 RT PCR test taken in quarantine, usually on day 6 and 12. 

Also on arrival if the existing preflight Covid-19 test is older than 72 hrs. 

 

 

33 minutes ago, bwpage3 said:

 

5. Covid usually shows up 7 to 10 days after contact. This means he must have been Covid positive before getting on the flight, yet he passed health inspection and COE was issued.

 

You’ve got mixed up about the CoE which is issued before the Covid-19 tests is taken.

The timeline is too tight to take a Covid-19 test, await the results, then send it to the Embassy and receive the CoE etc

 

 

The incubation period of the Covid-19 is not know for certain but understood to be around 5 days in most cases. 

Thus: its possible for someone to contract Covid-19 and test negative for 5 days. Its also possible for people to contract Covid-19 in the 72 hrs before the flight (after the pre-flight Covid-19 test) or on the actual flight itself. 

[alianware]

Have you ever thought about insurance fraud ? Isn't it funy that they want min. Cover cost of$100000 ? 

 

If they tell you that you are positive, how can you proof that you are really positive since you have been tested 72 hours before flight. 

 

[kokesaat]

So, I got my COE today, 20 days before scheduled departure.  I get a COVID test 72 hours before departing the US.  Assuming it's negative, I have to fly to my departure gate in the US on an airplane full of non-tested people.  Repatriated Thais, although not COVID tested before departing the US, still have to undergo quarantine once they arrive in Thailand.  Having undergone nearly 9 months of being in the US, my hat's off to Thai authorities for their strict procedures.  It is what it is.......much like renewing your extension at immigration every year.  You get to take it.......or leave it

[gunderhill]

4 hours ago, kokesaat said:

my hat's off to Thai authorities for their strict procedures. 

For  letting Foreigners test but  not  Thais then  throwing them onto a  plane to spread it  back to the foreigners, yes my  hat's  off  to, to their stupidity and selfishness.

[soi3eddie]

8 hours ago, alianware said:

 

If they tell you that you are positive, how can you proof that you are really positive since you have been tested 72 hours before flight. 

 

 

I have been suspicious for a while about the increasing numbers of positive cases found in quarantine. So as tests are not 100% accurate, how can a test be sure anyone is actually negative or positive? I haven't seen any numbers published for daily repatriations - numbers of arrivals - but only number of positives in quarantine. Anyone know how many daily arrivals into quarantine? Seems like it might be convenient of the government to report high positive numbers in order to keep borders closed to suit their aims. Whatever they may be.

 

[bwpage3]

22 hours ago, Salerno said:

 

Because it's not a requirement.

So you are saying Thai's coming in the US don't need to be tested?

[bwpage3]

17 hours ago, kokesaat said:

So, I got my COE today, 20 days before scheduled departure.  I get a COVID test 72 hours before departing the US.  Assuming it's negative, I have to fly to my departure gate in the US on an airplane full of non-tested people.  Repatriated Thais, although not COVID tested before departing the US, still have to undergo quarantine once they arrive in Thailand.  Having undergone nearly 9 months of being in the US, my hat's off to Thai authorities for their strict procedures.  It is what it is.......much like renewing your extension at immigration every year.  You get to take it.......or leave it

How do you explain foreigners arriving in Thailand Covid positive and what are the chances you will be on a flight with someone that is?

[Salerno]

20 minutes ago, bwpage3 said:

So you are saying Thai's coming in the US don't need to be tested?

 

No, I'm saying it's not a requirement stipulated by the Thai Government for a citizen returning to their home country; but pretty sure you know that.