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Are Trump's rallies spreading coronavirus? Why it's hard to know the full impact


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6 minutes ago, Chiphigh said:

The ridiculous double standards of the left are obvious to everyone except the left. 

 

All for vacuous ignorant fear mongering for a virus with a 99.6 %survival rate, unless you have known health problems. 

 

Research on Covid-19 remains in its infancy, but recent research has many experts now calling it a vascular, and not a pulmonary disease.

 

There is a worrying body of evidence that people who catch the virus, even young people who show minimal symptoms, are seeing longer term negative effects as the virus has altered the functioning of everything from organs to brain function to the immune system. Correlations show a rise in such things as Lupus, Diabetes, heart attacks and strokes in what are being termed 'long haulers'.

 

Covid-19 is turning out to be an insidious virus with quite negative long term effects. What first got researchers to pay attention was the damage done to the heart muscles by an extremely fit professional baseball player named Eduardo Rodriquez of the Boston Red Sox.

 

Over time more research will either corroborate or not these worrying indications. In the meantime EVERYONE should take the virus seriously.

 

The research is available online. Here's a few places to start:

 

https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/the-tragedy-of-the-post-covid-long-haulers-2020101521173

 

https://www.tmc.edu/news/2020/09/long-haulers-and-the-lingering-effects-of-covid-19/

 

https://www.aarp.org/health/conditions-treatments/info-2020/persistent-covid-symptoms.html

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6 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

 

Research on Covid-19 remains in its infancy, but recent research has many experts now calling it a vascular, and not a pulmonary disease.

 

There is a worrying body of evidence that people who catch the virus, even young people who show minimal symptoms, are seeing longer term negative effects as the virus has altered the functioning of everything from organs to brain function to the immune system. Correlations show a rise in such things as Lupus, Diabetes, heart attacks and strokes in what are being termed 'long haulers'.

 

Covid-19 is turning out to be an insidious virus with quite negative long term effects. What first got researchers to pay attention was the damage done to the heart muscles by an extremely fit professional baseball player named Eduardo Rodriquez of the Boston Red Sox.

 

Over time more research will either corroborate or not these worrying indications. In the meantime EVERYONE should take the virus seriously.

 

The research is available online. Here's a few places to start:

 

https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/the-tragedy-of-the-post-covid-long-haulers-2020101521173

 

https://www.tmc.edu/news/2020/09/long-haulers-and-the-lingering-effects-of-covid-19/

 

https://www.aarp.org/health/conditions-treatments/info-2020/persistent-covid-symptoms.html

 

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It would not be difficult at all to document and prove a gathering had a major impact on infections. With all the anti trumpers running around you can rest assured such a high impact from the rallies has not occurred. 

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Just now, sucit said:

It would not be difficult at all to document and prove a gathering had a major impact on infections. With all the anti trumpers running around you can rest assured such a high impact from the rallies has not occurred. 

 

Perhaps you can post your medical and scientific credentials and match them up against (one of my alma maters) Stanford University.

 

Debate always welcomes opposing voices.

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1 minute ago, sucit said:

It would not be difficult at all to document and prove a gathering had a major impact on infections. With all the anti trumpers running around you can rest assured such a high impact from the rallies has not occurred. 

Is your way of thinking about science issues typical of your fellow Trump supporters?

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Just now, Walker88 said:

 

Perhaps you can post your medical and scientific credentials and match them up against (one of my alma maters) Stanford University.

 

Debate always welcomes opposing voices.

You don't need credentials of any sort to understand that a large spreader event could easily be correlated by way of information from incoming positive patients. You just need half a brain. 

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5 minutes ago, sucit said:

It would not be difficult at all to document and prove a gathering had a major impact on infections. With all the anti trumpers running around you can rest assured such a high impact from the rallies has not occurred. 

It wouldnt be hard if the whitehouse actually allowed contact tracing, but it refuses and tries to keep positive tests secret.

 

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2020/10/5/21502245/trump-coronavirus-covid-19-contact-tracing-white-house-cluster

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2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Is your way of thinking about science issues typical of your fellow Trump supporters?

 

I can't stand Trump. But I am partial to facts.

 

I also avoid emotionally based political conclusions. You should try it. 

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2 minutes ago, Sujo said:

It wouldnt be hard if the whitehouse actually allowed contact tracing, but it refuses and tries to keep positive tests secret.

 

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2020/10/5/21502245/trump-coronavirus-covid-19-contact-tracing-white-house-cluster

"Have you been to any large gatherings in the recent past". 

 

Get a grip man, it is as simple as that. A major outbreak location would be found in no time. 

 

Anyway, feel free to discuss your emotional and politically derived opinions with your cohorts. 

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5 minutes ago, sucit said:

You don't need credentials of any sort to understand that a large spreader event could easily be correlated by way of information from incoming positive patients. You just need half a brain. 

And would anyone who had a rudimentary understanding of science make the uncorrobated claim that  "With all the anti trumpers running around you can rest assured  such a high impact from the rallies has not occurred."?

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7 minutes ago, sucit said:

"Have you been to any large gatherings in the recent past". 

 

Get a grip man, it is as simple as that. A major outbreak location would be found in no time. 

 

Anyway, feel free to discuss your emotional and politically derived opinions with your cohorts. 

They can ask and any good person would tell them, but trump told his staff to keep it quiet.

 

what part of that do you not understand.

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59 minutes ago, Jaybott said:

No.  The ones where 5 or 6 people show up.

 

And lets not forget about the Hollywood Elite (will be referred to as the Hollywood Aristocracy under a Harris-Biden administration):

 

Undeterred by an ongoing pandemic, Kim Kardashian West has revealed she threw a party for herself and dozens of friends on a private island that swapped social distancing for dancing, bike-riding and swimming with whales. 

 

 

You really couldn't find an example of Biden supporters, again portraying trumpists as dumb ????.

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9 minutes ago, sucit said:

You don't need credentials of any sort to understand that a large spreader event could easily be correlated by way of information from incoming positive patients. You just need half a brain. 

That is what Stanford did.

 

As for other mass gatherings, such as the protests, collected data on those shows they were not Superspreader events, likely because most everyone wore masks. I posted the graph of that data, a joint study by Harvard, Rutgers, Northeastern and Northwestern, in response to an earlier post.

 

45's rallies seem particularly effective at spreading the virus. Also, looking at data in the Dakotas, where infection rates are running way above the national average, apparently a result of the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally. The national 7-day average of new reported cases, per 100,000 people, is 25. In North Dakota it is 139 and in South Dakota is 134.  Pictures from the Sturgis event show almost no one wearing a mask.

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234.567 deaths, a 9.302.271 confirmed cases of which 5.567.985 are recovered... who cares ? ( For sure not the US President and his administration ) see https://www.bing.com/search?q=corona+casualties+usa&cvid=afd2351f035b4bc688691ec22012cea7&pglt=547&FORM=ANSPA1&PC=U531 

To compare: see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_casualties_of_war 

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2 hours ago, Walker88 said:

What you call an 'overreaction' is what the vast majority of medical experts recommend, despite the two names you noted. Besides the fact Covid is killing at a much faster rate than normal flu, it is overwhelming the medical system. Every physician or team of physicians who must treat Covid patients is unavailable to address other regularly recurring maladies such as cancer, stroke, heart attack, accidents, etc. When hospital beds are filled with Covid patients already, other patients go without, whether needing non-elective treatment or elective treatment. That means people who might otherwise be saved die.

 

The US is now tied with the UK as the 3rd worst per capita death rate from Covid among the 197 countries where Covid has risen, according to figures compiled by Johns Hopkins University. Only Belgium and Spain have a worse record. Obviously the US is doing something terribly wrong, and that stems from the abject failure of 45's Administration to take the virus seriously, even when 45 knew full well (as noted in the Woodward tapes) back as early as February and March. It was astonishingly irresponsible for 45 to continue to call a virus he admiited to Woodward was both airborne and quite deadly, a "Democratic Hoax".

 

 

Mortality rate is falling by the week. Better understanding of the early therapeutics as well. 

 

The idiotic destruction of people's livelihood and crushing tens of millions of businesses is completely unacceptable. 

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11 hours ago, RoadWarrior371 said:

About to the same degree the Leftists protests spread the Corona-virus.  LOL

Big difference there is that the protestors were mostly wearing masks and often socially distancing. That isn't happening at those rallies. Not to mention the number of cases right now is higher which increases the likelihood of someone near you having it. The U.S. had more than 100,000 cases the other day, up until last week the record was only 80,000.

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1 hour ago, Tie Dye Samurai said:

I dont think any reasonable person thinks the BLM protests do not spread the virus and Trump rallies do spread the virus. The difference is this: POTUS is organizing the rallies he throws and saying "What about what about what about" does not excuse Trump from being responsible and doing the right thing to protect people and keep their exposure down. And yes, POTUS is held to a different standard....do not apply for the job if you are not willing to be held to the highest of standards.

Trump holds everyone who opposes him to the highest of standards, said standards slip a long way down when it comes to himself.

If Americans don't come to their senses on November 3, it's going to get ugly for all of us, non-Americans included. As the saying goes in Australia, he's as reliable as a two-bob watch.

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