UK's Johnson says there is no alternative to lockdown

[Surelynot]

10 minutes ago, polpott said:

Rise in deaths lags rise in cases by 4-8 weeks.

Yes...I think this is the key and the cause of the panic....when you look at the rise in infections....and how that rise might/will translate into deaths??

[NorthernRyland]

10 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

the projections do indeed show a massive increase in excess deaths..

but there's no data which can be used to make those projections. We don't even know the full infection/death ratio because we weren't testing much during the peak when the deaths were actually high and alarming.

[Hanaguma]

Let's see, another island country with a large population.... Japan! No lockdown, everything is open, no state of emergency since May.  Daily total of positive tests around 500, daily deaths from 5 to 10.  Why is the UK so different?

[polpott]

10 minutes ago, scammed said:

triangulation for measure depth is a mathematical fact,

and it take two eyes to triangulate.

back to your math lessons, and this time do your homework

Eyes don't use triangulation, you need 3 points of reference to do that. They employ the stereoscopic effect. Do your homework before spouting. A common failure of yours.

[polpott]

Just now, Hanaguma said:

Let's see, another island country with a large population.... Japan! No lockdown, everything is open, no state of emergency since May.  Daily total of positive tests around 500, daily deaths from 5 to 10.  Why is the UK so different?

No sushi.

[4MyEgo]

5 hours ago, webfact said:

The United Kingdom, which has the highest official COVID-19 death toll in Europe, is grappling with more than 20,000 new cases a day. Scientists have warned a worst-case scenario of 80,000 dead could be exceeded this winter.

Naturally if you keep testing people you will get new cases, however in the statistics they shouldn't include those who have already had the virus, i.e. testing as a false positive as they are over it, suffice to say putting them all into the one basket inflates the figures.

 

Same should apply for those who pass away from underlying conditions, i.e. if they were infected prior, regardless if they had underlying conditions, they all go in the same basket when they pass away, however when someone passes from an influenza in the past, they are not recorded as passing from the influenza if they had underlying conditions.

 

Locking down will only make things worse, from a financial perspective and, the virus curve will rise and then drop after the lockdowns, only to rise again when they lift the lockdowns.

 

Best thing they can do is let it run its course with everyone being cautious and adhering to the basic rules, i.e. social distancing, washing hands often, and wearing a face mask when out and about.

 

Going down the path governments have been going with lockdowns will only bankrupt those countries, there are tens of thousands of scientists around the world who have voiced their opinions telling them that lockdowns are not the way to go, and most agree that Covid spreads more so at home, but the governments (corporations) won't listen, so much for open debates in democratic societies.

Edited November 2, 2020 by 4MyEgo

[Surelynot]

9 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Let's see, another island country with a large population.... Japan! No lockdown, everything is open, no state of emergency since May.  Daily total of positive tests around 500, daily deaths from 5 to 10.  Why is the UK so different?

They stuffed all the covid infected elderly back into their care homes to infect the rest of the care home population.....which the UK is just about to do again?

Edited November 2, 2020 by Surelynot

[polpott]

1 minute ago, Surelynot said:

They stuff all the covid infected elderly back into their care homes to infect the rest of the care home population.....which the UK is just about to do again?

Surely not. Have you a shred of evidence that they are about to repeat the mistake?

[HiSoLowSoNoSo]

1 hour ago, polpott said:

Thailand. I've shown you the stats. (yet again), and you choose to ignore them. Sweden's approach has failed, even the Swedish government now admit to that. Pity you can't.

 

The Swedish government could not lockdown the country, the priority was to save the economy. If you compare Sweden with Belgium. almost the same size population of ten millions, Belgium locked down and got now almost two times more deaths than Sweden, so who did the right thing? Time will tell but the Swedish economy is doing fine now and most of the workers that were laid of in the spring during the first wave have found new jobs. 

[Surelynot]

1 minute ago, polpott said:

Surely not. Have you a shred of evidence that they are about to repeat the mistake?

Not to hand.....but Matt Hancock has authorized the elderly to be 'cleared out' of hospital back into care homes.....the Care Commission is currently charged with trying to ensure quarantining within the care homes and health care workers are being restricted to visiting just one care home.....everyone knows this won't work...we've been told every step of the way by SAGE you cannot protect the elderly in this way in order to allow everyone to go about their business.

[polpott]

22 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

Yes...I think this is the key and the cause of the panic....when you look at the rise in infections....and how that rise might/will translate into deaths??

So not a shred of evidence, just an "I think".

[polpott]

9 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

everyone knows this won't work.

What you mean is "you think" it won't work. Again not a shred of evidence.

[polpott]

11 minutes ago, HiSoLowSoNoSo said:

 

The Swedish government could not lockdown the country, the priority was to save the economy. If you compare Sweden with Belgium. almost the same size population of ten millions, Belgium locked down and got now almost two times more deaths than Sweden, so who did the right thing? Time will tell but the Swedish economy is doing fine now and most of the workers that were laid of in the spring during the first wave have found new jobs. 

Belgium is a very different country to Sweden. Try comparing Sweden to it's immediate neighbours, Norway, Denmark and Finland.

[Surelynot]

1 minute ago, polpott said:

What you mean is "you think" it won't work. Again not a shred of evidence.

As I have been told...don't take partial quotes without the full context......."we've been told every step of the way by SAGE"

 

See the difference?

[Surelynot]

5 minutes ago, polpott said:

So not a shred of evidence, just an "I think".

Oh I'm sorry....You are the thought police?? ......you need to inform everyone that this is no longer a discussion board...only a place for quoting sources.....no thoughts allowed....no ideas expressed...sorry did not realize...do the moderators know??

 

 

[Surelynot]

4 minutes ago, polpott said:

Belgium is a very different country to Sweden.

What full of people..... the majority in urban environments? 

[HiSoLowSoNoSo]

2 minutes ago, polpott said:

Belgium is a very different country to Sweden. Try comparing Sweden to it's immediate neighbours, Norway, Denmark and Finland.

 

Sweden's neighbors all locked down and have so far done great, they did not have thousands of Somali immigrants employed in the care homes, a major reason why so many old people died in Sweden. The Somali population in my town have five times more infected per capita compared to the "Swedish" Swedes, many of them don't understand the dangers of this virus and they also live many together in the same apartment.  

[scammed]

12 minutes ago, polpott said:

Belgium is a very different country to Sweden. Try comparing Sweden to it's immediate neighbours, Norway, Denmark and Finland.

ok, denmark is having a slight 2nd wave, like the rest of europe,

sweden does stand out in europe as the one nation that has no 2nd wave

[pagallim]

[polpott]

14 minutes ago, scammed said:

sweden does stand out in europe as the one nation that has no 2nd wave

Really?

 

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/sweden-reports-its-highest-daily-covid-19-cases/2024003

 

"Sweden announced Thursday its highest number of daily coronavirus cases as 2,820 people tested positive in the past 24 hours."

[johnnybangkok]

1 hour ago, scammed said:

triangulation for measure depth is a mathematical fact,

and it take two eyes to triangulate.

back to your math lessons, and this time do your homework

[scammed]

8 minutes ago, polpott said:

Really?

 

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/sweden-reports-its-highest-daily-covid-19-cases/2024003

 

"Sweden announced Thursday its highest number of daily coronavirus cases as 2,820 people tested positive in the past 24 hours."

so what ? death rate is lower then anywhere in europe

[polpott]

5 minutes ago, scammed said:

so what ? death rate is lower then anywhere in europe

And where did you get that fact from? Another "I think" is it?

[scammed]

1 minute ago, polpott said:

And where did you get that fact from? Another "I think" is it?

 

[polpott]

1 minute ago, scammed said:

 

And every other European country? there are more than 2 countries in Europe.

[scammed]

3 minutes ago, polpott said:

And every other European country? there are more than 2 countries in Europe.

you advocated comparing to only denmark, and so i did

[polpott]

13 minutes ago, scammed said:

so what ? death rate is lower then anywhere in europe

Current find current data. Here's one from May.

 

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-sweden-casualties/sweden-tops-europe-covid-19-deaths-per-capita-over-last-7-days-idUKKBN22V26V

 

"STOCKHOLM (Reuters) - Sweden, which has opted for a more open strategy in combating the virus than other European countries, had the highest number of deaths in Europe per capita from the COVID-19 disease over the last seven days, data showed."

[polpott]

2 minutes ago, scammed said:

you advocated comparing to only denmark, and so i did

No you said lowest in Europe.

[scammed]

5 minutes ago, polpott said:

No you said lowest in Europe.

@polpott: Belgium is a very different country to Sweden. Try comparing Sweden to it's immediate neighbours, Norway, Denmark and Finland.

 

so i did just that, compared to denmark which is a neighbor to sweden, since you thought that for once would put sweden in a bad light, but alas sweden model still trumps all your efforts

[polpott]

1 minute ago, scammed said:

@polpott: Belgium is a very different country to Sweden. Try comparing Sweden to it's immediate neighbours, Norway, Denmark and Finland.

 

so i did just that, compared to denmark which is a neighbor to sweden, since you thought that for once would put sweden in a bad light, but alas sweden model still trumps all your efforts

How so? Far higher mortality than its neighbours. In May it had the highest mortality rate in Europe.

 

No trumping there, only Trump mentality towards facts on your behalf. If they don't suit your agenda ignore them or call them fake news.