Nearly 80% of Americans say Biden won White House, ignoring Trump's refusal to concede: Reuters/Ipsos poll

[Jingthing]

3 hours ago, Sujo said:

poor donald. Virus going crazy and he is hiding. His claims of fraud falling apart.

 

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/no-evidence-of-voter-fraud-found-us-election-officials-say/news-story/16514bfabc95509764f6508238e5b17c

Yes. Reports are that he isn't even doing any president stuff anymore. Empty schedule. Not that he was ever good at it. But if he's working so hard to cling to an office that he has lost that doesn't exactly give any moral credibility to his doomed desperate effort.

 

Its really too bad that he's surrounded by yes men because if any President was.ever deserving of being Article 25'd its him. At the very least let President Elect Biden formally begin his transition! For the sake of the country. Biden is obviously ready to actually get to work for all the American people.

Edited November 13, 2020 by Jingthing

[onthedarkside]

11 hours ago, stevenl said:

In the op is a link. Why don't you post one yourself for us to read the complete information in stead of your selection.

 

Here's the source of the info that TopDeadSenter posted from a Republican leaning pollster:

 

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/polling/media-calls-biden-president-elect-poll-shows-likely-voters-still-unsure-who\

 

However, the key issue about this poll is that it was done before all the key battleground states were decided and before then, once they were, the results led to the major networks declaring Biden the projected victor. So, a bit misleading in terms of what people may think lately...

 

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Less than half of all respondents — 49% — believe Joe Biden legitimately won the race, while 34% said they believe Trump won the election, and 16% said they are not sure who really won.

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Rasmussen noted that the survey was conducted from Thursday night until Saturday early afternoon.

"During the time of this survey, no television network or other news source had formally called the race for Biden," he said. 

 

 

 

Obviously, pretty much all of the major networks and news organizations subsequently did end up calling the election for Biden...AFTER this poll was done.

 

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CNN went first, calling the presidential election at 11:24 a.m. Eastern [Saturday]. It was followed in quick succession by NBC, CBS, ABC and The Associated Press. Fox News confirmed the outcome at 11:40 a.m., underscoring what its anchor Chris Wallace later called “the power of what we are seeing right now.”
 

“Here we have on Fox the headline, the chyron at the bottom of the screen, ‘Joe Biden Elected 46th President of the United States,’” Mr. Wallace told his viewers. “On Fox.”

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/07/business/media/presidential-election-tv-networks-call.html

 

As a result, the poll would NOT be a good indicator of what Americans are thinking now or lately... Because, the polling was done BEFORE the results in key battleground states had been tallied sufficiently and made public to make Biden's victory relatively clear.

 

[Susco]

14 hours ago, PhonThong said:

Let's see, Trump got 49.7% of the votes

Which election was that? Maybe one where his family members only voted in, because it wasn't the US presidential election of 2016 or 2020.

 

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, onthedarkside said:

 

Here's the source of the info that TopDeadSenter posted from a Republican leaning pollster:

 

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/polling/media-calls-biden-president-elect-poll-shows-likely-voters-still-unsure-who\

 

However, the key issue about this poll is that it was done before all the key battleground states were decided and before then, once they were, the results led to the major networks declaring Biden the projected victor. So, a bit misleading in terms of what people may think lately...

 

 

 

Obviously, pretty much all of the major networks and news organizations subsequently did end up calling the election for Biden...AFTER this poll was done.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/07/business/media/presidential-election-tv-networks-call.html

 

As a result, the poll would NOT be a good indicator of what Americans are thinking now or lately... Because, the polling was done BEFORE the results in key battleground states had been tallied sufficiently and made public to make Biden's victory relatively clear.

 

The poll was done between 5 and 7 November I noticed.  Thanks, but deceiving post from TopDeadSenter. And I can't find the poll in the Rasmussen site, either because I'm overlooking it or because it really is meaningless.

Edited November 13, 2020 by stevenl

[n00dle]

On 11/13/2020 at 7:21 AM, luckyluke said:

According to Rasmussen :

 

" among Biden voters, only 56% say they were voting for Biden. Twenty-nine percent (29%) of these voters say they were voting against Trump, while a surprisingly high 15% are not sure." 

 

This is interesting,

after 4 years of Mr. Trump presidency, so many people (29% of Mr. Biden voters) preferred to vote for someone/anyone else than again for Mr. Trump. 

Yes, the "Settle for Biden" vote was huge.

 

But that is likely in any bipartisan system

[pomchop]

I can just see it now.  The delusional Trump cult teaches their children that being a SORE LOSER and refusing to accept the results of a contest is proper behavior.  So little leaguers, soccer teams, debate teams, and the myriad of other school sponsored activities will be full of Trump Cult trained kids who will whine and moan because they refuse to accept the results that the other team was simply better than them, that the ball didn't bounce their way, that the refs conspired to cheat them and worse.

 

How sad that an American tradition that has been taught to kids and grandkids for generations that you should be gracious in victory and even more gracious in defeat has been thrown under the bus by millions of Americans.

 

Shame on grown adults who promote this behavior.  Pull your head out of Trumps rear end , man up, and accept the FACT that Biden won by a bigger margin than Trump did in 2016 and that all the conspiracy theories and sabre rattling and yes whining and moaning will not change that....and at least TRY to instill a sense of being a gracious loser to your kids.

[Jingthing]

4 hours ago, pomchop said:

I can just see it now.  The delusional Trump cult teaches their children that being a SORE LOSER and refusing to accept the results of a contest is proper behavior.  So little leaguers, soccer teams, debate teams, and the myriad of other school sponsored activities will be full of Trump Cult trained kids who will whine and moan because they refuse to accept the results that the other team was simply better than them, that the ball didn't bounce their way, that the refs conspired to cheat them and worse.

 

How sad that an American tradition that has been taught to kids and grandkids for generations that you should be gracious in victory and even more gracious in defeat has been thrown under the bus by millions of Americans.

 

Shame on grown adults who promote this behavior.  Pull your head out of Trumps rear end , man up, and accept the FACT that Biden won by a bigger margin than Trump did in 2016 and that all the conspiracy theories and sabre rattling and yes whining and moaning will not change that....and at least TRY to instill a sense of being a gracious loser to your kids.

Yes, it is true that Mr. Trump is a horrible role model for children in every way imaginable.

But it's worse than that. Much worse. Consider what Mr. Trump, his still shockingly numerous fans, and the Mr. Trump following republican party are teaching Americans and indeed the world about their regard for the basic principles and norms of democracy.

President Elect Joe Biden's win is definitely a positive outcome from this mess and it now appears very probable that we have dodged this bullet of a coup attempt by Mr. Trump, but the autocratic political disease revealed for all the world by Mr. Trump's movement is still active and kicking.

World leaders well understand that the USA may yet easily succumb to autocracy in the next election. So the dancing in the streets has probably been premature.

 

 

Edited November 14, 2020 by Jingthing