Just now, Jeffr2 said:

If Don Jr. Survives his infection. Insane how many in Trump’s inner circle have gotten it. Ridiculous.

Proof positive that taking the simple precautions do work.

16 minutes ago, polpott said:

Try telling that to Trump (and his base). As many have said, if it hadn't been for the pandemic, there's a good chance he would have won. Also, may be lining Don Jnr. up for the next shot.

Biden still got nearly 5 million more votes. Both candidates saw greater than expected voter support. However the least favoured contender needs a reality  check, that in spite of the “we are loved” delusion, they are failed soufflés and we all know soufflés do not rise twice.

The electoral college cannot save his tired <deleted> this time. Flatulence in the toilet bowl of history 

Edited November 21, 20205 yr by RJRS1301

2 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

Biden still got nearly 5 million more votes. Both candidates saw shifter than expected voter support. However the least favoured contender needs a reality  check, that in spite of the “we are loved” delusion, they are failed soufflés and we all know soufflés do not rise twice.

Actually, now its dlightly more than 6 million votes.

1 hour ago, lapamita said:

 Always wondering why people Trust more china than your own government. it is a dictatorship.

Blame your government for that.

2 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

Please, no discussion of the virus coming from a Lab. Thats a terrible conspiracy theory.

 

China needs to be dealt with, but Trump went about it the wrong way. Plus, no leader in the world believes or trusts Trump. Hopefully Biden will be more effective.

China needs to be dealt with by an alliance of nations with the US taking the lead.  Trump ticked off our allies by throwing up tariffs on their US exports for any and no reason then tried to deal with China alone.  It didn't work.

 

Biden is much more likely to put together an alliance to effectively restrain China.  Although he won't do it with all the outrageous boasting and lies about results that Trump put forth, so Trump's base probably won't notice.

Reported "conspiracy" Post removed.

3 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

Please, no discussion of the virus coming from a Lab. Thats a terrible conspiracy theory.

Agree and this theory is a favourite of the far right people.

 

In fact the following will help and it could well have been around for a lot longer? So the Wuhan lab theory is not plausible......

 

Covid 19 coronavirus: New study shows coronavirus was circulating in Italy last September

The novel coronavirus was spreading in Italy in September last year - months earlier than previously thought, a new study has found.
The shock findings change our understanding of the way Covid-19 spread around the world and raise questions about how long we have been living with the coronavirus.
The study, by the National Cancer Institute of Milan, looked at healthy volunteers who had enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/covid-19-coronavirus-new-study-shows-coronavirus-was-circulating-in-italy-last-september/DFBAAWF7YEB6OCJJOQMTLEND4U/

9 hours ago, simple1 said:

 

Thanks for the info. For those interested some more detail...

 

Though there is no Constitutional provision or federal law barring electors from voting for whom they are pledged, more than half of the states, including D.C., “bind” their electors. The rest of electors may have the legal authority to vote for whomever they want, but, as CBS News previously reported, faithless electors have never decided a presidential election.

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/which-candidates-did-the-seven-faithless-electors-support-election-2016/

outdated non sense electoral system whereby popular vote has no say so

Just now, Mavideol said:

outdated non sense electoral system whereby popular vote has no say so

Of course this topic has been argued. The "con" is that New York and California would dictate every presidential election, and that's not a fair representation of the US.

 

I will start a topic "How Could A Fair Election Take Place In The US" and will enjoy the replies.

23 minutes ago, J Town said:

Of course this topic has been argued. The "con" is that New York and California would dictate every presidential election, and that's not a fair representation of the US.

Not if it isn't state centric. Everyone votes in a single poll. Winner takes all. No need to devolve it to which state voted for who,

23 minutes ago, polpott said:

Not if it isn't state centric. Everyone votes in a single poll. Winner takes all. No need to devolve it to which state voted for who,

 

the united STATES was designed to be state-centric.  the electoral college is a feature, not a bug.

when forming the nation, the individual sovereign states would never have signed up to allowing power to be transferred to a central governement with elections decided by the few populous states.  they needed some mechanism whereby they would remain relevant.

 

this cannot be changed without a constitutional amendment, which of course would require most of the less-populous states to give up what little leverage they retain under the modern system.

1 hour ago, J Town said:

Of course this topic has been argued. The "con" is that New York and California would dictate every presidential election, and that's not a fair representation of the US.

 

I will start a topic "How Could A Fair Election Take Place In The US" and will enjoy the replies.

Actually the four most populous states, California, Texas, Florida and New York, make up less than one third of the total US population.  These four states also don't vote in lock-step.

Given that we've been told for 4 years that Trump is a very bad man, I'm somewhat surprised that the same people are now expecting Trump to do the right thing and behave properly.

14 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Given that we've been told for 4 years that Trump is a very bad man, I'm somewhat surprised that the same people are now expecting Trump to do the right thing and behave properly.

We weren't told, we saw how bad he is. And most of us expected this, as was predicted by the experts. We're not expecting him to do the right thing, just hoping. And hoping his corrupt enablers are held to account.

On 11/20/2020 at 8:15 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

Look forward to 4 years of the same sort of attacks on Biden as Trump suffered. The Dems and CNN opened the door to it, IMO, and the GOP will relish payback for every misstep that Biden makes, IMO.

Sore loser posting. Anti trump supporters based on his daily actions. Move on and deal with the facts

50 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Given that we've been told for 4 years that Trump is a very bad man, I'm somewhat surprised that the same people are now expecting Trump to do the right thing and behave properly.

 

Out of those who criticise trump, who have posted they believe trump would 'do the right thing'. trump's critics fully expected he would carry on with his crusade to undermine the institutions of governance and democracy, trump has provided no reason to expect otherwise - trump is the 'swamp'.

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Given that we've been told for 4 years that Trump is a very bad man, I'm somewhat surprised that the same people are now expecting Trump to do the right thing and behave properly.

What gives you the idea that the same people are expecting Trump to do the right thing and behave properly? 

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Given that we've been told for 4 years that Trump is a very bad man, I'm somewhat surprised that the same people are now expecting Trump to do the right thing and behave properly.

Nobody who has been paying attention expected Trump to do the right thing.  There was misguided hope that the Republican leadership would put nation and democracy ahead of catering to Trump.

15 hours ago, ChouDoufu said:

 

the united STATES was designed to be state-centric.  the electoral college is a feature, not a bug.

when forming the nation, the individual sovereign states would never have signed up to allowing power to be transferred to a central governement with elections decided by the few populous states.  they needed some mechanism whereby they would remain relevant.

 

this cannot be changed without a constitutional amendment, which of course would require most of the less-populous states to give up what little leverage they retain under the modern system.

I agree it does serve a purpose, but a person living in California would HAVE to vote 5 times to carry the weight of a voter in say North Dakota. I believe that is a little over the top and needs to be tweaked a bit. The people of California are very diverse and don't vote in lockstep as one block. 

26 minutes ago, bunnydrops said:

I agree it does serve a purpose, but a person living in California would HAVE to vote 5 times to carry the weight of a voter in say North Dakota. I believe that is a little over the top and needs to be tweaked a bit. The people of California are very diverse and don't vote in lockstep as one block. 

California is a diverse state in every regard--religiously, ethnically, economically, politically, and in every other manner one might imagine.  With its diverse economy and interests it is much more representative of the United States as a whole than the sparsely populated rural states that rely on agriculture, energy and minerals.  It is ridiculous that these thinly populated states have so much more influence in Presidential elections and the Senate than California.

6 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Given that we've been told for 4 years that Trump is a very bad man, I'm somewhat surprised that the same people are now expecting Trump to do the right thing and behave properly.

So because Trump has been so appalling for the last 4 years and because he continues to be appalling it's our fault for expecting better? 

The mental gymnastic needed to come to this conclusion is truly something to behold.

2 hours ago, bunnydrops said:

I agree it does serve a purpose, but a person living in California would HAVE to vote 5 times to carry the weight of a voter in say North Dakota. I believe that is a little over the top and needs to be tweaked a bit. The people of California are very diverse and don't vote in lockstep as one block. 

 

isn't that what trump has been claiming they HAVE been doing?????

 

anyhoo, not sure how those numbers matter given that small states will NOT vote for the required constitutional amendment.  one realistic possibility is adding more states.  outside of  los angeles and san francisco, there's a whole lotta red.  so much so that the inmates no longer want to remain part of california, but instead want to secede and form 2-3 more (red) states which would greatly change the electoral map.  i believe the same in oregon and washington, where they either want to form new states or join idaho.

On 11/21/2020 at 10:11 AM, polpott said:

Try telling that to Trump (and his base). As many have said, if it hadn't been for the pandemic, there's a good chance he would have won. Also, may be lining Don Jnr. up for the next shot.

i am sure he would won.

 

if news about vaccine comes  3 day earlier ,would change it pro trump too..

 

but political corectness is.,dont think diffrent it s all conspiracy.not alloud use common sense and dont ask questions about timing  and about the org of viruse by its self

 

 

 

 

Edited November 22, 20205 yr by lapamita

2 hours ago, lapamita said:

i am sure he would won.

 

if news about vaccine comes  3 day earlier ,would change it pro trump too..

 

but political corectness is.,dont think diffrent it s all conspiracy.not alloud use common sense and dont ask questions about timing  and about the org of viruse by its self

Some 90%+ had either already voted or would not change their minds 1 week before the election. It would have made no difference.

4 hours ago, ChouDoufu said:

 

isn't that what trump has been claiming they HAVE been doing?????

 

anyhoo, not sure how those numbers matter given that small states will NOT vote for the required constitutional amendment.  one realistic possibility is adding more states.  outside of  los angeles and san francisco, there's a whole lotta red.  so much so that the inmates no longer want to remain part of california, but instead want to secede and form 2-3 more (red) states which would greatly change the electoral map.  i believe the same in oregon and washington, where they either want to form new states or join idaho.

I have read that gerrymandering the areas of seats for Representatives, by bizarre boundary changes to maintain a red or blue majority amongst voters is widespread, and the results do not particularly reflect the way in which the population votes overall. Recasting the states, and thus the electoral college will surely produce the same results - writ large at electoral college level.

 

With a repeated (and increasing) lead in the popular vote in the last two elections it is very hard to muster an argument for not somehow enshrining the results of the popular vote in the electoral process. After all, 6 million (?) votes is an awful lot to ignore!

On 11/21/2020 at 1:46 PM, lapamita said:

I am what I am happy that trump loose Voting. I'll still believe in faire counting of votes

 but on the other hand if Corona would be not the main thing people what more think on the economy i believe Trump win by far

 another thing to point out well I thinking since last week that pfizer and moderna  release news that they get the vaccine just short time after the voting.

 we all know that's Pharmaceutical companies prefer a democratic government.( because it is in der Business favour of pharmacorps)

I think the news was holding back after the voting.

Because it News come before the voting people with focus on economy what meaning Trump would win the election by far. this is a point in disputing.

 

I like like Trump because of his stance against China. The program of the location of industries (see tsmc news  4 days ago example) Of his personality ,  the reduction of American troops and the focus on America, the leaving of the who.  and many other thing. Trump is a person doing something yes and not all is perfect especially the tax reduction for high incomers  and the banking deregulation  in my opinion

 

 

LOSER all around and makes America look like third world.. He had Obama to grab his economy shirt tails and claim he had done it himself. Deal with it and find a way to move on and accept the truth.

Edited November 22, 20205 yr by earlinclaifornia

13 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Given that we've been told for 4 years that Trump is a very bad man, I'm somewhat surprised that the same people are now expecting Trump to do the right thing and behave properly.

Most of us knew his refusal was coming and many of his whinny trump followers scoffed at that as drama. Live and learn. 

Edited November 22, 20205 yr by earlinclaifornia

On 11/21/2020 at 2:15 PM, Jeffr2 said:

If Don Jr. Survives his infection. Insane how many in Trump’s inner circle have gotten it. Ridiculous.

Perhaps they should have worn masks and used social distancing.

5 hours ago, lapamita said:

i am sure he would won.

 

if news about vaccine comes  3 day earlier ,would change it pro trump too..

 

but political corectness is.,dont think diffrent it s all conspiracy.not alloud use common sense and dont ask questions about timing  and about the org of viruse by its self

 

 

 

 

And if I get all 6 numbers in the correct order I would be a (small) Thai millionaire.

 

It is no use saying this should be that and expecting it to happen.

 

You need to face the truth and reality. If only doesn't always work in real life

Edited November 22, 20205 yr by billd766
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Looks like it's finally over for trump. Chris Christie has called out trump's legal team challenges for the election 'a national embarrassment'. Remember Christie assisted trump with preparing for the election 'debates'. 

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/22/politics/chris-christie-donald-trump-election/index.html