2 minutes ago, evadgib said:

When that oft-pedaled claim was made no one knew that a 2 year event would drag on for FIVE or that a manufactured and grossly exaggerated virus would scupper the world's economies. 

So who manufactured this virus evadgib, tell us and provide links to your evidence?

13 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

So who manufactured this virus evadgib, tell us and provide links to your evidence?

'Us'...? 

Troll post reported and removed. 

14 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

 

You were warned before the referendum that a vote to leave the EU would jeopardise the Good Friday agreement. You Brexiteers went ahead and voted for it anyway.

Its one of many consequences of voting for Brexit that you guys chose to ignore and labeled as project fear. 

Now you are trying to blame the EU because what you were warned about has happened? 

There was very little talk about the GFA prior to the referendum. In fact I don't even think it was mentioned in the government propaganda leaflet sent to every household at taxpayers' expense. 

It wasn't made a big deal because most sensible people knew there would be a way to get around the border issue. That is - unless the EU decided to use the NI border as a weapon. 

18 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

Why keep coming out with these irrelevant and tired clichés? 

One person (Liam Fox) said it SHOULD be the easiest deal in history. And the context; because we already have a good trading relationship with the EU. It made perfect sense to say that at the time. 

 

He actually said it was because "because our rules and laws are already the same." Which should have been true except the using those rules and laws in the trade agreement was labelled BRINO and rejected. That is mainly what the negotiations over the last three years plus ahve been hung up on. The EU saying we should accept the same conditions as every other non-member they have an FTA with, the UK saying, no we want special treatment.

 

18 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

Dirty tricks? How about the EU and Irish governments not allowing UK customs officials to discuss new border arrangements with Irish officials?

False information from the rabid anti EU site facts4eu.org and not confirmed anywhere else; unless you know different.

 

19 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

The EU didn't want the border issue to be solved because they wanted the UK tied to the Single Market rules, and the Irish government saw it as a chance for Irish unification.

Pure speculation with no evidence to back it up.

 

19 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

What about the most blatant dirty trick that was caught on camera - with Barnier saying: 

 

“For me, there is also a strategic and tactical reason, which is to use Ireland for the future negotiations.

“Isolating Ireland, and not closing this point, to leave it open for the next two or three years.

“And in that case, we will face clearly permanent pressure on the negotiations about trade, the single market because of Ireland.

 

I'd say this is beyond dirty! Playing with fear and emotions to achieve their political aims.

 

This video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0eqqxJE7aA

 

An edited video (notice the jump cuts?) 36 seconds long taken out of an obviously much longer conversation which started before the video begins.

 

Provide the transcript of the complete conversation for context, for proper comment.

 

But who was it who agreed a solution to keeping the UK/RoI land border open and then a few months after proclaiming it a personal triumph reneged on it? Wasn't Barnier! 

 

I'd say that is beyond dirty! Playing with fear and emotions to achieve his political aims.

 

 

3 hours ago, JonnyF said:

I'd say the reverse was true. Remainers were rubbishing the whole idea when Trump was keen on it. Chlorinated chicken, low food standards, selling the NHS etc.

 

Now "Oirish Joe" Biden is threatening to prevent it, they're acting like we've lost the Crown jewels and we must immediately bend to all EU demands. 

 

Make your minds up guys. Or better still, accept defeat and get on board. 

Do you understand how disagreements work?   The remainer's negative position may be opposite to the Brexiters, but it's not contradictory to what I claimed. In fact, it necessarily agrees with what I wrote. Brexiters repeatedly claimed that a free trade agreement with the USA wold go a long way towards making up for the loss of free trade with the EU.  Remainers ( and the British Govt) disagreed about the sze of the beneficial effects of a free trade agreement with the US. The UK conservative govt said they would be miniscule. What is so difficult to understand about that?

 

Post-Brexit US trade deal: 0.16% economic boost predicted

The government has estimated a post-Brexit trade deal with the United States would boost the UK economy by 0.16% over the next 15 years.

The figure is included in a 180-page document setting out the UK's negotiating position for talks, expected to begin later this month.

The document pledges to maintain maintain food standards and stresses that the NHS is "not on the table".

Post-Brexit US trade deal: 0.16% economic boost predicted - BBC News

1 hour ago, evadgib said:

'Us'...? 

 Yes, us; the TVF membership.

31 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

There was very little talk about the GFA prior to the referendum. In fact I don't even think it was mentioned in the government propaganda leaflet sent to every household at taxpayers' expense. 

It wasn't made a big deal because most sensible people knew there would be a way to get around the border issue. That is - unless the EU decided to use the NI border as a weapon. 

 

15 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

But who was it who agreed a solution to keeping the UK/RoI land border open and then a few months after proclaiming it a personal triumph reneged on it? Wasn't Barnier! 

 

I'd say that is beyond dirty! Playing with fear and emotions to achieve his political aims.

 

9 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The gaping hole in that argument is where democracies elect a tyrant.

 

A turn of events predicted by Plato in his ‘The Republic’ and born out by the tragedies elected tyrants have brought upon humanity.

 Indeed.

 

As Hitler has already been introduced into this topic by a Brexiteer (again!) a reminder that Hitler became Chancellor because the Nazis won the largest share of the vote in 1932.

 

So he was democratically elected. A point certain members should remember before they yet again say that criticising the government is undemocratic!

8 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

There was very little talk about the GFA prior to the referendum. In fact I don't even think it was mentioned in the government propaganda leaflet sent to every household at taxpayers' expense. 

It wasn't made a big deal because most sensible people knew there would be a way to get around the border issue. That is - unless the EU decided to use the NI border as a weapon. 

 

Very little talk about the Good Friday agreement?

See the problem with trying to rewrite history is that you have to wait till everyone who was there at the time is dead.

It was mentioned a lot. And dismissed as project fear by your side.

 

On 11/25/2020 at 7:56 AM, vogie said:

I don't want to see a border between the US and Mexico but it has got nothing what so-ever to do with me, and just because the President Elect has 1 ounce of Irish blood in him, Ireland has zippo to do with him.

Now that we are rid of Trump, I would like to see the United States mind its own business. The UK is perfectly capable of sorting out its own affairs.

7 minutes ago, KhunFred said:

Now that we are rid of Trump, I would like to see the United States mind its own business. The UK is perfectly capable of sorting out its own affairs.

The Irish might feel differently about this. As you may not be aware, the border has 2 sides. Not the exclusive property of the UK.

9 minutes ago, KhunFred said:

The UK is perfectly capable of sorting out its own affairs.

Current events would suggest otherwise. They've got themselves into a right pickle.

17 minutes ago, KhunFred said:

The UK is perfectly capable of sorting out its own affairs.

Are you sure about that. The U.K. has had 31/2 years to sort out customs arrangements and it looks like it's heading for utter disaster:

A portable cabin and Google Translate: Life on the Brexit haulage frontline | Business News | Sky News

41 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Are you sure about that. The U.K. has had 31/2 years to sort out customs arrangements and it looks like it's heading for utter disaster:

A portable cabin and Google Translate: Life on the Brexit haulage frontline | Business News | Sky News

You are correct. I don't know much about the UK, because it's all I can do to keep up with the insanity in the USA, while I am living in Thailand.  USA has been meddling for too many years.

On 11/27/2020 at 6:36 PM, cmarshall said:

 

I do very much dislike arrogant, self-serving lying of the kind typified by the we-stood-alone-against-Hitler posturing of the previous post or the lying about Brexit.  And the Brits do a lot of it.  Of course, I realize Britain is more than the Eton crowd that runs it, but they are the face of your nation.

 

If it's any consolation I like even less the same behavior among Americans, who have a far worse effect on the world nowadays than the Brits.  

 

Its not all Brits mate. Most of us are fully aware of the actions and sacrifices other nations made in WW2.

Its only the ardent Brexiteers who never actually served their country who bang on about the war.

12 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

Its not all Brits mate. Most of us are fully aware of the actions and sacrifices other nations made in WW2.

Its only the ardent Brexiteers who never actually served their country who bang on about the war.

How many Britons who post on this forum could actually have served during WW2. They'd have to be at last 90. It seems presumptuous take credit for the sacrifices of others.

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

How many Britons who post on this forum could actually have served during WW2. They'd have to be at last 90. It seems presumptuous take credit for the sacrifices of others.

Talk about being hypocrites, you don't like posters mentioning WW2 yet it is you that is talking about it.????????????????????????

Incidentally could you have a word with your side about bringing the British Empire into debates, you would have to be 300 year old to remember that.

14 minutes ago, placeholder said:

How many Britons who post on this forum could actually have served during WW2. They'd have to be at last 90. It seems presumptuous take credit for the sacrifices of others.

Plastic patriots mate. Wouldn't want to or indeed could get into a trench.

 

3 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Plastic patriots mate. Wouldn't want to or indeed could get into a trench.

 

Be honest Rookie how many times as a bleep have you been in a trench, honestly.

 

Just now, vogie said:

Be honest Rookie how many times as a bleep have you been in a trench, honestly.

 

If you are in a war zone you dig a trench next to your radio wagon.

Even on exercise we were supposed to dig one but please dont tell my old SSM because sometimes I didnt do it. ????

Still break out in a cold sweat when I think about him.

By the way. Digging a trench in sand? Not easy.  

20 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 Indeed.

 

As Hitler has already been introduced into this topic by a Brexiteer (again!) a reminder that Hitler became Chancellor because the Nazis won the largest share of the vote in 1932.

 

So he was democratically elected. A point certain members should remember before they yet again say that criticising the government is undemocratic!

Was barnier " democratically elected"?

48 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

Its not all Brits mate. Most of us are fully aware of the actions and sacrifices other nations made in WW2.

Its only the ardent Brexiteers who never actually served their country who bang on about the war.

 

   Quite a relevant point when discussing the UK being ruled by a Europe dominated by Germany 

2 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

   Quite a relevant point when discussing the UK being ruled by a Europe dominated by Germany 

Completely irrelevant and not factually correct. It wasn't ruled by Europe, UK jointly ruled the EU alongside the 27 other members, and for the same reason it isn't and never has been dominated by Germany. All countries have equal membership.

12 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

By the way. Digging a trench in sand? Not easy.  

Totally agree.(for once)however very easy to dig oneself into a hole.good luck with your hoped for rosy future with the eu.

1 minute ago, kingdong said:

Totally agree.(for once)however very easy to dig oneself into a hole.good luck with your hoped for rosy future with the eu.

 

How would you know about digging trenches in sand?

Oh unless you are thinking about those beaches you used to play on.

1 minute ago, polpott said:

Completely irrelevant and not factually correct. It wasn't ruled by Europe, UK jointly ruled the EU alongside the 27 other members, and for the same reason it isn't and never has been dominated by Germany. All countries have equal membership.

What a democratic utopia and the peasants voted to leave it,you couldn,t make it up.

23 minutes ago, vogie said:

Be honest Rookie how many times as a bleep have you been in a trench, honestly.

I’ll be honest, I’ve never been in a (war front)  trench, but then I’ve never claimed credit for the sacrifice of those who have.

1 minute ago, kingdong said:

What a democratic utopia and the peasants voted to leave it,you couldn,t make it up.

No you couldn't, it baffles me. The only explanation I can give is the vast amounts of subliminal messaging that bombarded the peasants from AIQ, Cambridge Analytica and the St Petersburg Troll Farm. Have pity on them, they know not what they do.