9 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Your nuclear missile analogy is a good one.

 

It's a deterrent. The EU knows if they try to cut up the UK then the gloves come off.

 

When dealing with the EU you need this type of threat because they have become extremely hostile since we rejected them.

 

To use another analogy, It's better to have a knife and not need it, than to need a knife and not have it.

 

Of course, all this could be avoided if the EU grow up and sign a simple mutually beneficial trade deal. That would protect their massive trade surplus with the UK. Let's see if mature heads prevail.

Not so good when you promise not to use the knive and then renege on that promise. On the other hand, I'm sure that if the EU were to renege on a provision in the treaty, Brexiters would treat that violation with tolerance and forgiveness.

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

Not so good when you promise not to use the knive and then renege on that promise. On the other hand, I'm sure that if the EU were to renege on a provision in the treaty, Brexiters would treat that violation with tolerance and forgiveness.

Who reneged ?

 

Date and time please. And link. Much thanks.

3 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Who reneged ?

 

Date and time please. And link. Much thanks.

They're threatening to renege. You think that's a significant difference?

I will laugh out loud thinking of the wasted hours of argument on Tvisa, when an agreement is cobbled together with 'strict rules of potential future flexibilty' incorporated for both sides. In short agreement the can is kicked into the distance for now ???? as it has  been for the last 4 years ????

6 hours ago, JonnyF said:

I only needed the first 2 words of your post. The rest was fluff.

 

So the threat by Johnson to renege on his own WA is fluff? 

 

6 hours ago, JonnyF said:

It's like accusing someone of murder because they have a knife in their pocket.

 Not of murder; but in the UK threatening to use a knife, concealed or not, legal or not, is a criminal offence.

 

6 hours ago, JonnyF said:

If the EU doesn't try to cut off NI from the UK that knife will stay in the pocket.

That's like a mugger saying "If you hand over your wallet my knife will stay in my pocket!"

 

I ask again; when have the EU threatened to cut off NI from GB (not the UK of GB and NI)?

 

Will you answer this time?

 

Not with the edited video of Barnier's comments in which he makes no such threat. Something real.

26 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Your nuclear missile analogy is a good one.

 

It's a deterrent. The EU knows if they try to cut up the UK then the gloves come off.

 

When dealing with the EU you need this type of threat because they have become extremely hostile since we rejected them.

 

To use another analogy, It's better to have a knife and not need it, than to need a knife and not have it.

 

Of course, all this could be avoided if the EU grow up and sign a simple mutually beneficial trade deal. That would protect their massive trade surplus with the UK. Let's see if mature heads prevail.

Actually, the EU has something more like a sword and a legitimate one at that. All it has to do is wait until Jan 1, 2021 for the shambles that is the customs disaster to begin. The UK had 3.5 years to prepare for this and it's way behind schedule. Drivers from the Continent won't even bother to come to the UK because the situation will be atrocious on the return journey.

16 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Who reneged ?

 

Date and time please. And link. Much thanks.

Don't have the time, but the date was 9th September 2020.

 

Bill stages — United Kingdom Internal Market Bill 2019-21

Britain's Chancellor of the Exchequer Rishi Sunak speaks on Spending Review 2020 and the Office for Budget Responsibility's latest economic and fiscal forecast at the House of Commons in London, Britain November 25, 2020. UK Parliament/Jessica Taylor/Handout via REUTERS

 

I'm flattered that the UK loves Multicultural politicians. Sunak means dog in Thai.

 

Does that mean Brexit will never happen? 

 

 

Edited November 28, 20205 yr by teacherclaire

32 minutes ago, placeholder said:

They're threatening to renege. You think that's a significant difference?

Yes. Having a gun and shooting someone is significantly different.

Just now, JonnyF said:

Yes. Having a gun and shooting someone is significantly different.

pointing it at them and threatening to shoot not so much.

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

pointing it at them and threatening to shoot not so much.

Anyway, as I've pointed out the EU has a potentially huge weapon and the irony is it was manufactured by the UK. Although referring to it as "manufactured" is too kind a word for something that is the product of negligence and incompetence.

Edited November 28, 20205 yr by placeholder

23 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

Don't have the time, but the date was 9th September 2020.

 

Bill stages — United Kingdom Internal Market Bill 2019-21

The legislation hasn't even passed yet. It's like accusing someone who is applying for a gun licence of murder. 

 

No treaty has been broken. Just admit it. I won't hold it against you. ????

4 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Anyway, as I've pointed out the EU has a potentially huge weapon and the irony is it was manufactured by the UK.

So on one hand you are saying that the UK having a deterrent is terrible.

 

Now you are celebrating the fact the EU also has a deterrent.

 

This is great stuff. Please continue.????

A baiting flame has been removed

Did you really think that you could get away with leaving out the glaringly obvious distinction between the 2? To use their deterrent the UK would have to break its word and violate international law. For the EU to use its deterrent it has to do neither. All it has to do is wait.

2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Of course, all this could be avoided if the EU grow up and sign a simple mutually beneficial trade deal. That would protect their massive trade surplus with the UK. Let's see if mature heads prevail.

Sorry? Who is is the grown up in this negociation? Which party changed negociator three times (to end up with a middle-ranking diplomat), goverments two times (to end up with a populist liar) and has its own population against brexit now?

 

As to your "mutually beneficial trade deal", for a start it means putting quite a bit belgian, dutch and french fishermen out of business, they would object calling it "mutually beneficial", I think.

 

Right now, the UK is not a reliable negociating partner, nor a "grown up", looks more to me like a former world power going "unstable rogue state".

 

 

.. and once more if you can bring in some factual data to prove your point, you're welcome

 

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Edited November 28, 20205 yr by Hi from France

On 11/27/2020 at 9:04 PM, JonnyF said:

I don't really understand your post.

 

But I love the way you cut out my question about the treaty. Well done.

 

I will ask you for the third time. Which treaty did we break, and when did we break it?

How many times have you been asked for a fully costed economic post Brexit plan that would be beneficial to the U.K. ? 

there is now a lot of skepticism in the EU with the advent of a deal, like last July when Johnson said he was going to give some "oomph" to the negociations, now Johnson who was expected to unlock talks did again ...nothing

 

For me, I'm a bit fed up now, I think it's probably better to go for a no-deal, knowing the UK will come back anyway there's no hurry.

 

 

22 hours ago, JonnyF said:

The legislation hasn't even passed yet. It's like accusing someone who is applying for a gun licence of murder. 

 

No treaty has been broken. Just admit it. I won't hold it against you. ????

 If Johnson does not intend to break the treaty the promise of which he he won a General Election with by proclaiming it would "Get Brexit done" and then signed with much self triumphalism back in January; then what is the point of this Bill?

 

No doubt you will repeat the line that it is to stop the EU's dirty tricks of cutting NI off from the rest of the UK.

 

Third time of asking, at least: when have the EU threatened to cut off NI from the rest of the UK?

 

Will you answer this time?

Edited November 29, 20205 yr by 7by7
Addendum

25 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 If Johnson does not intend to break the treaty the promise of which he he won a General Election with by proclaiming it would "Get Brexit done" and then signed with much self triumphalism back in January; then what is the point of this Bill?

 

No doubt you will repeat the line that it is to stop the EU's dirty tricks of cutting NI off from the rest of the UK.

 

Third time of asking, at least: when have the EU threatened to cut off NI from the rest of the UK?

 

Will you answer this time?

he can't because the EU Never used  threatening words to make deals