Brexit negotiations restart in person as clock ticks down

[Hi from France]

1 hour ago, billd766 said:

BTW if the UK manufactures a product that the EU want to buy at a lower cost, why does the EU not want to allow this to happen?

because we followed the debates in the Commons and listened to the speeches of prominent brexiters.

 

The aim of Brexit is 1/to turn the UK into some "Singapore on Thames", drain EU companies headquarters with low taxation and 2/undermine europeans industries with lower regulatory standards (faster rule making, but also lower pay for workers, higher pollution...). As well as subzidzing heavily some industries (like One Web bought by the decision of Cummings)

 

We can have that with China 7800 kilometers away and not on the single market, same from Canada 6800 km away.

 

... Now, accepting that "a channel tunnel away from us" in another matter entirely.

 

 

 

That's why the level playing field is a prerequisite for the UK to gain access to the single market.

 

 

 

Edited November 30, 2020 by Hi from France

[7by7]

2 hours ago, billd766 said:

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Ifthe UK want to export to the UK when the UK finally leaves, your exporters will have to follow UK rules, just as the EU is demanding that the UK does. Then people wonder why there s no level playing field.

 

You've got a bit mixed up there; I think you mean "If the EU wants to export to the UK....."

 

Do you agree that there should be a mutually agreed set of rules to govern any trade agreement in order to rule out unfair competition?

 

What is that if not a level playing field?

 

2 hours ago, billd766 said:

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BTW if the UK manufacyures a product that the EU want to buy at a lower cost, why does the EU not want to allow this to happen?

 

Where has the EU said this?

 

It is unfair competition from state subsidies which the EU don't want; and it would work both ways. EU member states would be subject to the level playing field as well.

Edited November 30, 2020 by 7by7
Addendum

[7by7]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

 

The original claim from Hi from France was that "the ECJ is largely founded on British common law, and had its share of British judges/members".

 

Now that is a load of tosh, which even you might acknowledge.

 

EU law is derived from the various treaties signed and agreed to by all member states. I have neither the time nor inclination to delve through all of those to establish which bits are based on English common law, Roman law, Klingon law or whatever other law you want to name.

 

Doesn't your book tell you?

[Bruntoid]

19 hours ago, kingdong said:

Academic,we hand over 37 million and get back a fraction and are told how to spend it,link..we won,t be fooled again the who.

Just words - so again for the hard of thinking show us the workings behind your 37 million NET incl the returns you mention not forgetting to factor in how much influence this can gain you when it comes to trade deals. I appreciate trade deals are not high on the brexiteer agenda but give it a go anyway. 
 

I mean how difficult can that be for someone so convinced of what they voted for ? 

[Surelynot]

I am totally confused...the EU is totally shafted if there is no deal......so why are we (the UK) negotiating...we should be dictating the deal surely????

[Bruntoid]

13 hours ago, baansgr said:

It's pretty obvious, either the EU accept what the UK is offering or its no deal

Lol you think ? Boris will cave like a soggy pack of cards ! 

[Loiner]

Just now, Bruntoid said:

Lol you think ? Boris will cave like a soggy pack of cards ! 

He’s stood since we actually left the EU and they haven’t ground him down yet. 

[Bruntoid]

13 hours ago, kingdong said:

A mere drop in the ocean when one looks at the cost of covid to the west,to put it into perspective.

You understand perspective ? Only this week the OBR and BofE have stated a no deal Brexit will be far more costly than COVID - do try to keep up ! 

[Bruntoid]

1 minute ago, Loiner said:

He’s stood since we actually left the EU and they haven’t ground him down yet. 

Hmmm how many ultimatums has poor Bojo issued now ? Routinely ignored ? 

[Surelynot]

2 minutes ago, Loiner said:

He’s stood since we actually left the EU and they haven’t ground him down yet. 

The fat, backward oaf has hardly been involved (no links).......it has all been down to Frosty the No Man

[Loiner]

1 minute ago, Bruntoid said:

Hmmm how many ultimatums has poor Bojo issued now ? Routinely ignored ? 

As are the EU demands. Total waste of Eurostar trips. 

[Bruntoid]

9 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

I am totally confused...the EU is totally shafted if there is no deal......so why are we (the UK) negotiating...we should be dictating the deal surely????

Here we go again - can someone organise a sticky explaining GDP please to Brexiteers 

 

starting with EU SIX times the size of U.K. 

 

seriously this is like shooting fish in a barrel 

 

 

[Surelynot]

Just now, Bruntoid said:

Here we go again - can someone organise a sticky explaining GDP please to Brexiteers 

 

starting with EU SIX times the size of U.K. 

 

seriously this is like shooting fish in a barrel 

 

 

Soz man...this was sarcasm

[Loiner]

2 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

The fat, backward oaf has hardly been involved (no links).......it has all been down to Frosty the No Man

You remainer mate says it’s all don to Boris, who will cave. So who is it really?

[kingdong]

2 minutes ago, Bruntoid said:

You understand perspective ? Only this week the OBR and BofE have stated a no deal Brexit will be far more costly than COVID - do try to keep up ! 

By bofe presume you mean the bank of england?with that mobs track record i,d trust them as far as i can chuck a dead elephant off the end of my reproductive organ,perhaps the governor of the boe should do his job and oversee the british banks instead of indulging in soapbox politics.

[Loiner]

1 minute ago, Bruntoid said:

Here we go again - can someone organise a sticky explaining GDP please to Brexiteers 

 

starting with EU SIX times the size of U.K. 

 

seriously this is like shooting fish in a barrel 

 

 

And yet you keep missing. 

Give up and emigrate to an EU hell hole. 

[Surelynot]

1 minute ago, Loiner said:

You remainer mate says it’s all don to Boris, who will cave. So who is it really?

Come the crunch it will be don to Boris

[Loiner]

1 minute ago, kingdong said:

By bofe presume you mean the bank of england?with that mobs track record i,d trust them as far as i can chuck a dead elephant off the end of my reproductive organ,perhaps the governor of the boe should do his job and oversee the british banks instead of indulging in soapbox politics.

The OBR was George Osborne’s baby. So cannot be taken seriously either. 

[Surelynot]

1 minute ago, Loiner said:

And yet you keep missing. 

Give up and emigrate to an EU hell hole. 

An EU hell hole?......Where have you been? Tenerifee? 

 

I have lived in EU countries for the past 25 years.....nothing in the UK compares.

[Loiner]

9 minutes ago, Bruntoid said:

Hmmm how many ultimatums has poor Bojo issued now ? Routinely ignored ? 

They keep coming back and knocking at the door of Number 10, like the ex-wife. “Can we talk about it?”

They’re worse than the Jehovahs Witnesses.  

[kingdong]

9 minutes ago, Bruntoid said:

 

 

seriously this is like shooting fish in a barrel 

 

 

As long  as its in their back yards,they won,t be doing it in british waters

[Surelynot]

1 minute ago, Loiner said:

They keep coming back and knocking at the door of Number 10, like the ex-wife. “Can we talk about it?”

They’re worse than the Jehovahs Witnesses.  

???? How many dead lines imposed by Johnson have passed????.....15th October rings a bell.....

[nauseus]

25 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

EU law is derived from the various treaties signed and agreed to by all member states. I have neither the time nor inclination to delve through all of those to establish which bits are based on English common law, Roman law, Klingon law or whatever other law you want to name.

 

Doesn't your book tell you?

 

Of course it does but no time to look again now.

[nauseus]

1 minute ago, Surelynot said:

???? How many dead lines imposed by Johnson have passed????.....15th October rings a bell.....

 

He has to let this charade go on to the end and hope that a deal can be done. If he ended this silly process early then he would get all the stick from the usual quarters.

[Surelynot]

6 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

He has to let this charade go on to the end and hope that a deal can be done. If he ended this silly process early then he would get all the stick from the usual quarters.

It is hard to imagine how he is going to avoid a great deal of stick....if he signs a deal it won't be one the ERG will be happy with....if he goes no deal, business will go ballistic......he is between a rock and a hard place.....which cheers me up no end.

Edited November 30, 2020 by Surelynot

[7by7]

10 minutes ago, nauseus said:

36 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

Doesn't your book tell you?

 

Of course it does but no time to look again now.

 Then I await your definitive quote from it, with page number(s), once you've read it.

 

[7by7]

3 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

It is hard to imagine how he is going to avoid a great deal of stick....if he signs a deal it won't be one the ERG will be happy with....if he goes no deal business will go ballistic......he is between a rock and a hard place.....which cheers me up no end.

That Boris finds himself between a rock and a hard place is, indeed, joyful.

 

That he has dragged my country there with him is most certainly not.

 

It would maybe be forgivable had this been a result of his incompetence. But as it is a direct result of his putting his own political ambition ahead of the good of the country there can be no forgiveness.

 

If the Tories don't kick him out soon they stand no hope at the next election; and more and more of them are realising it.

[Surelynot]

1 minute ago, 7by7 said:

That Boris finds himself between a rock and a hard place is, indeed, joyful.

 

That he has dragged my country there with him is most certainly not.

 

It would maybe be forgivable had this been a result of his incompetence. But as it is a direct result of his putting his own political ambition ahead of the good of the country there can be no forgiveness.

 

If the Tories don't kick him out soon they stand no hope at the next election; and more and more of them are realising it.

As the (real) newspapers report over and over again.....the only thing that counts in Boris World is Boris.....and this world has to come crashing down eventually.......however, he has delivered a big, steaming pile of ßhit called Brexit.....and generations will 'suffer' as a consequence.....the man should be hanged, drawn and quartered.

[Bruntoid]

1 minute ago, Loiner said:

As are the EU demands. Total waste of Eurostar trips. 

So you concede Boris’s endless ultimatums are meaningless ? 

[Bruntoid]

I see the National Farmers Union has today (to placate  those who will accuse me of cherry picking - it was OBR yesterday) of the ‘catastrophic scenario of a no deal brexit’ 

 

Cue a brexiteer saying they don’t know what they’re talking about or adding them to their humoungus list of bias parties ????